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quaawaa said:
Not entirely related to the thread but the cope was so intense I had to share it:
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no, there's nothing like that. The closest I've seen is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, where people live shitty lives in NYC but will defend it to the death on internet message boards.
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The last guy is right, it's really only New Yorkers who will defend New York which is a form of local's bias on their part. Every local of an area is like this. Visiting New York isn't as bad as living there because you only hang around the touristy areas.

I guess I can talk about my experience with New York. I don't know anyone who says New Yorkers are particularly nice except other New Yorkers. It's not a consistent niceness that can be applied to them as a whole.

One big thing is people love to rip you off and even New Yorkers themselves won't deny this. They try to say "oh it's just part of the experience, just do X, Y and Z to avoid being ripped off." I'm just saying if this is a reoccurring thing that happens it's something with your city. I haven't encountered this except maybe abroad before. It's things like people giving you the wrong change or lying about the price of something after you already settled it beforehand. I think when you get used to this scummy behavior over time eventually you start to go blind to it like someone who lives next to a sewage treatment plant. That's probably their cope that it's just "a few bad apples". If every other apple you pick out is bad, there's something wrong with the tree.
 
 
Yamamura said:
The last guy is right, it's really only New Yorkers who will defend New York which is a form of local's bias on their part. Every local of an area is like this. Visiting New York isn't as bad as living there because you only hang around the touristy areas.
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I have family that lived in NYC until recently, and before they moved, I heard "we love New York, BUUUUUT" more times than I can count. Now they live in suburbia.
 
keke said:
Fair enough. The problems are because people aren’t used to them. Busier intersections are more dangerous than a busy roundabout, their design means when accidents do happen the impact is less severe, and with larger cars being normalised that’s quite necessary. I drive them almost everyday so I’m biased by being familiar.
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The pros and cons of roundabouts is they enable constant flow of traffic. That's great for low to medium levels of traffic, since you've eliminated most of the stopping. It's terrible for higher levels of traffic, since you can easily have flow from one or two directions blocking off the roundabout unless people are intentionally yielding. They also don't let you do any kind of traffic shaping, where you artificially make feeder roads have longer wait times to enable better overall throughput in the road system. The constant flow can also leave pedestrian traffic stuck unless people intentionally yield to them, which again at high levels of traffic defeats the purpose. I find the biggest benefit of roundabouts is they enable road interactions at funny angles to be safer and more effective, without having to redo hundreds of feet of road to make them as close to 90 degrees as possible.
 
Yamamura said:
One big thing is people love to rip you off and even New Yorkers themselves won't deny this. They try to say "oh it's just part of the experience, just do X, Y and Z to avoid being ripped off." I'm just saying if this is a reoccurring thing that happens it's something with your city. I haven't encountered this except maybe abroad before. It's things like people giving you the wrong change or lying about the price of something after you already settled it beforehand. I think when you get used to this scummy behavior over time eventually you start to go blind to it like someone who lives next to a sewage treatment plant. That's probably their cope that it's just "a few bad apples". If every other apple you pick out is bad, there's something wrong with the tree.
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That sort of shit happens a lot overseas but stuff like musicians giving out "free" copies of their work or some crackhead in a flea market mascot costume photobombing and asking for handouts absolutely should not be tolerated.

The tourism industry is huge in New York, and provides money for the programs and the transit and all the handouts that every "oppressed" group gets. But like commuters New Yorkers dislike them to the point of letting miscreants actively sabotage the industry.

Even during the heyday of New York City (1990s/2000s), there were still people who groused about the old Times Square having "character" (read: X-rated theaters every other storefront) and as bad as New York City was at least weren't ready to burn Bernard Goetz alive for daring to stand up to black people.

I'm not sure why they tolerate all this bullshit as the city crumbles (after all, how many "flagship stores" in New York City have closed and not been replaced?) and still think they're the best at everything?
 
Bonesjones said:
The pros and cons of roundabouts is they enable constant flow of traffic. That's great for low to medium levels of traffic, since you've eliminated most of the stopping. It's terrible for higher levels of traffic, since you can easily have flow from one or two directions blocking off the roundabout unless people are intentionally yielding. They also don't let you do any kind of traffic shaping, where you artificially make feeder roads have longer wait times to enable better overall throughput in the road system. The constant flow can also leave pedestrian traffic stuck unless people intentionally yield to them, which again at high levels of traffic defeats the purpose. I find the biggest benefit of roundabouts is they enable road interactions at funny angles to be safer and more effective, without having to redo hundreds of feet of road to make them as close to 90 degrees as possible.
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Yeah, in countries with many roundabouts they still have intersections when needed. It’s just not the default, and there are some massive roundabouts in high-traffic areas that work really well. I assume they’re there for a reason but it’s hard to find design philosophy on them. NA has a disadvantage when trying to model their roads in that many states have traffic congestion issues to begin with. It’s just sad because the trend of huge cars means these accidents are very often totally fatal, and everyone needs a huge car to be safe against huge cars.
 
Bonesjones said:
It's terrible for higher levels of traffic, since you can easily have flow from one or two directions blocking off the roundabout unless people are intentionally yielding.
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The UK has issues with this since a lot of our arterial and motorway network uses roundabouts for their intersections and many of them have to be gated by traffic lights so that they don't lock up.
Bonesjones said:
The constant flow can also leave pedestrian traffic stuck
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This is something I can attest to first hand, crossing an arterial roundabout is an absolute pain in the arse even when it isn't busy because you have to be constantly looking out for incoming vehicles.
 
Midwit said:
This is something I can attest to first hand, crossing an arterial roundabout is an absolute pain in the arse even when it isn't busy because you have to be constantly looking out for incoming vehicles.
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If done right at least you never have to look two ways at once - you can cross parts of traffic and get an island to stand on while waiting for the next one.

But there’s reasons that foreign cities with lots of giant roundabouts have tons of pedestrian bridges.
 
Bonesjones said:
The pros and cons of roundabouts is they enable constant flow of traffic. That's great for low to medium levels of traffic, since you've eliminated most of the stopping. It's terrible for higher levels of traffic, since you can easily have flow from one or two directions blocking off the roundabout unless people are intentionally yielding. They also don't let you do any kind of traffic shaping, where you artificially make feeder roads have longer wait times to enable better overall throughput in the road system. The constant flow can also leave pedestrian traffic stuck unless people intentionally yield to them, which again at high levels of traffic defeats the purpose. I find the biggest benefit of roundabouts is they enable road interactions at funny angles to be safer and more effective, without having to redo hundreds of feet of road to make them as close to 90 degrees as possible.
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They also inherently slow down traffic which can be very useful in some cases. My hometown had a notorious four way intersection where one leg was a very high speed blind corner coming down a forested downhill and it was an excessively common accident spot, it'd even kill people every few years. Eventually the town council had enough and tore out the intersection for a roundabout which immediately turned the most dangerous stretch of road within ten miles into a chill, almost accident free experience.

And yeah, roundabouts where one direction dominates the other are absolutely miserable. You need the traffic to split kinda evenly to get the most out of them, otherwise you can be stuck for five minutes looking for a gap.
 
Seymour Duncan said:
And yeah, roundabouts where one direction dominates the other are absolutely miserable. You need the traffic to split kinda evenly to get the most out of them, otherwise you can be stuck for five minutes looking for a gap.
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To be fair to the roundabout fags, this is kind of an American problem, especially a polite midwestern problem.

In foreign countries you just fucking drive right into traffic and expect the other fuckers to stop and let you in, which works ... surprisingly well, actually.
 
BulkForceFive said:
The 'trucks are bad' stuff comes from white 'conservative' men driving pickup trucks, nothing else. All of their arguments apply even better to other vehicles, but for some reason those vehicles are exempt from criticism. It's another tiresome red team/blue team thing.
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Pickup truck drivers piss me off. They buy what is effectively a cargo vehicle and use it for little more than commute.
Somehow these drivers manage to be the lowest intelligence highest aggression people on the road and constantly fuck up parking.
If you drive a pickup please make an effort to drive/park smart.
 
I can understand the hate for SUVs. I hate SUVs. Mainly because they're tall af and often in the upper price segment, meaning they have very fancy headlights. Which on the highway at night absolutely brutalise my eyes and I constantly have to flip the rear mirror to the low light setting. Doesn't help when they overtake and shine their supernova-strength LED searchlights into my eyes via the side mirrors.
Fuck LED headlights in general while we're at it. Fucking pinpoint light sources with that annoying color distribution with the blue eyes. And guess what, battery lamps for cyclists are also now overpowered LED searchlights, and where cars are at least kinda fixed and consistent with the headlight positioning, cyclists are well known to be absolutely retarded and just set their headlights to wherever, leading to like fucking 1000 lumens shining directly in your face. Thanks, faggot. I wasn't planning on seeing anything for the rest of the night anyway.
The invention of the white light LED and its proliferation has been a disaster for the human race.
 
Xarpho's Return said:
I'm not sure why they tolerate all this bullshit as the city crumbles (after all, how many "flagship stores" in New York City have closed and not been replaced?) and still think they're the best at everything?
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Ironically, the globalization they advocate for has made it so that there's not many unique things left besides tourist attractions to differentiate cities.
 
Meriasek said:
I can understand the hate for SUVs. I hate SUVs. Mainly because they're tall af and often in the upper price segment, meaning they have very fancy headlights. Which on the highway at night absolutely brutalise my eyes and I constantly have to flip the rear mirror to the low light setting. Doesn't help when they overtake and shine their supernova-strength LED searchlights into my eyes via the side mirrors.
Fuck LED headlights in general while we're at it. Fucking pinpoint light sources with that annoying color distribution with the blue eyes. And guess what, battery lamps for cyclists are also now overpowered LED searchlights, and where cars are at least kinda fixed and consistent with the headlight positioning, cyclists are well known to be absolutely retarded and just set their headlights to wherever, leading to like fucking 1000 lumens shining directly in your face. Thanks, faggot. I wasn't planning on seeing anything for the rest of the night anyway.
The invention of the white light LED and its proliferation has been a disaster for the human race.
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And since car manufacturers collectively decided that having several widescreen TVs mounted on the dash are completely mandatory for modern car functionality, you pretty much need those massively powerful WWII searchlights to see anything at night because you have acres of LCD backlighting right up against your view of the road, blasting out your retinas and making the dark parts of the road much much harder to see. A properly darkened cabin would have a much easier time seeing with less light thrown out on the road.

There's good reason why Saab came up with their "night mode" that turns off every backlight that doesn't display immediately important information and why BMW used that specific shade of reddish orange for decades in every backlight in the vehicle, but all of that research is now null and void in the face of manufacturers realizing that the touch screen shit is both attractive to the idiot generation AND saves them lots of money in R&D and manufacturing.
 
Seymour Duncan said:
There's good reason why Saab came up with their "night mode" that turns off every backlight that doesn't display immediately important information and why BMW used that specific shade of reddish orange for decades in every backlight in the vehicle, but all of that research is now null and void in the face of manufacturers realizing that the touch screen shit is both attractive to the idiot generation AND saves them lots of money in R&D and manufacturing.
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Yeah, fucking hate that. My 2018 basic compact car still has just those orange-red dot matrix displays (even has a little control for adjusting dash brightness), and my phone goes to dark mode when it put it on the dash in navigation mode when it's dark outside, but I fear the day I have to get a new car and everything will have fucking iPad interiors everywhere. Fuck Elon Musk for that alone, and fuck the manager caste for gobbling that shit up and making it the norm now.
 
Seymour Duncan said:
There's good reason why Saab came up with their "night mode" that turns off every backlight that doesn't display immediately important information and why BMW used that specific shade of reddish orange for decades in every backlight in the vehicle, but all of that research is now null and void in the face of manufacturers realizing that the touch screen shit is both attractive to the idiot generation AND saves them lots of money in R&D and manufacturing.
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holy shit this is entirely correct and legit

on a dark night with no moon, i can successfully offroad a deuce with only the blackout drive light because your eyes adjust like a motherfucker

but modern cars are fucking bright enough to read on the inside, and you can't see shit outside

it's getting somewhat better but man it's not great
 
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