🪦 Deceased Elizabeth Waite / John Waite Jr. - You did this, Rat King

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NIA-DOA 2.0 said:
Anyway, in regards to Elizabeth, I honestly don't think you can blame a forum for being responsible for her death.
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Okay, blaming a hands-off internet gossip forum for someone's suicide is fucking idiotic to begin with, but we didn't even know who this person is. Their bitter, indignant suicide note, they blame Donald Trump and White People for their suicide. This guy.

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What you have here is a mental child who doesn't want any responsibility in life and who blames all their problems on elements out of their control. If Donald Trump is president and I can't change that, then why even live? This is the ultimate conclusion of any spoiled person who got their way by holding their breath: they suffocated.

This is also the second instance of the forum being blamed for a suicide that had nothing to do with the forum. The first person mentioned us nowhere in their note and basically ignored the fact we existed, probably because there was a ton of other horrible shit going on in their life on top of a non-existent family structure.

Following that trend: people who had no interest in the survival of the person who had killed themselves suddenly started caring when it fits their political narrative against us.

Greta only cares about Trans suicides for two reasons:
1. It pays his bills.
2. It helps take down the KF.
 
entropyseekswork said:
I'm sorry these circumstances are what brought you to the farms @Manapan, were you at all unsettled by her sudden desire to transition? Did you try to talk her out of it, or maybe try to get her to wait longer? If not, was it social pressure from your circle of friends that kept you from expressing these things?
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I just wanted whatever was going to help her be her best self. We have a young child. I wanted her to have stable employment and be a good role model for him instead of being crippled by drugs, alcohol, and depression. If transition was the answer, I was willing to go along with it.

And for a while, she was happier than I've ever seen her. She quit using drugs. She cut down her alcohol use by a ton. She was working full time. She was actually smiling and she liked the pictures of herself. But it's really hard for people to accept sometimes. And the criticism wore on her. It got to a point that everyone who had even the smallest bad thing to say was to be banned from our lives. That's how we lost contact with most of our friends and family. That was when to have contact with anybody, they pretty much had to be on her list of approved people.

As her mental health declined, it got really draining to try to take care of our child, of her, and of myself. December 2015 she was admitted to the hospital for her mental health. That was really hard for us, since we'd only spent a single night apart in nearly eight years at that time, but it was also the first chance for me to see "oh, wait, the kid misses her but his behavior is improving, he's showing affection more often, he's learning some skills he didn't have a week ago". When she returned, life went to hell again and I'll be honest, that was when I ended up in the mental hospital myself. (I read your threads, I know you think I'm an unfit parent. But I'm trying, okay? And my therapist says I'm doing a fine job.)
 
Manapan said:
We all kind of feel like she got mixed up with people who reinforced being mentally ill and competed to see who could be the most broken. I think she was just trying to make herself feel okay but didn't know what to do.
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Judging by the content of the note, that was exactly what happened. It's sad, you can tell Elizabeth's mind was rotted out by the constant venom she was taking in from the trans community she drank the Kool-Aid from. (The same community that is now wanting to kill people and get "revenge" for Elizabeth)

Have you or the family put any thoughts into setting up some kind of donations for John III? If the trans community is going to pretend to be upset about Elizabeth's passing then they could at least put their money with their mouth is and help the actual victims, and not a scam lifeline or other Facebook trans beggers who helped enable Elizabeth's death with their rhetoric and apathy and are now sitting around with their hands out.
 
Manapan said:
I just wanted whatever was going to help her be her best self. We have a young child. I wanted her to have stable employment and be a good role model for him instead of being crippled by drugs, alcohol, and depression. If transition was the answer, I was willing to go along with it.

And for a while, she was happier than I've ever seen her. She quit using drugs. She cut down her alcohol use by a ton. She was working full time. She was actually smiling and she liked the pictures of herself. But it's really hard for people to accept sometimes. And the criticism wore on her. It got to a point that everyone who had even the smallest bad thing to say was to be banned from our lives. That's how we lost contact with most of our friends and family. That was when to have contact with anybody, they pretty much had to be on her list of approved people.

As her mental health declined, it got really draining to try to take care of our child, of her, and of myself. December 2015 she was admitted to the hospital for her mental health. That was really hard for us, since we'd only spent a single night apart in nearly eight years at that time, but it was also the first chance for me to see "oh, wait, the kid misses her but his behavior is improving, he's showing affection more often, he's learning some skills he didn't have a week ago". When she returned, life went to hell again and I'll be honest, that was when I ended up in the mental hospital myself. (I read your threads, I know you think I'm an unfit parent. But I'm trying, okay? And my therapist says I'm doing a fine job.)
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Again, we are just observers. If your therapist says you're doing well then you're probably doing well. I'm glad to hear the child has a competent parent that cares for him. And as off-putting as it might sound, the removal of Lizzy from your life may help you both live happier lives in the long term. That's just my opinion though.
 
a_name_but_backwards said:
Yeah I'm wondering about the gabapentin, it's used to treat epilepsy and things like shingles. So neuropathic pain essentially.

Vicodin is a pretty strong and addictive opiod painkiller.

Klonopon is used for epilepsy as well, but also panic disorders and anxiety.

Effexor is an antidepressant, which has fallen out of use because it is extremely hard to get off of (like can cause seizures if a dose is missed).

Edit: hit "post" before I was done going through all of their meds, but you get the idea. Most of these shouldn't be mixed with alcohol, but especially the Vicodin and klonopon.
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To add what I know, and I might be late saying it since I'm still on the first page, alprazolam(Xanax) will knock you right the fuck out if you even go a bit over your dosage, or take it in multiple pieces. You want a catatonic stupor and hours to pass while the last thing you remember is sitting down at a table to do taxes, this shit does you in within a heartbeat, no warnings beyond feeling flushed.

Its possible to OD on it and not die, and you only become a zombie who can unconsciously hold conversation. But as the dose increases, and the rate of absorption rises, the effects get more and more risky, but you guys probably know that.

The overdose wasn't painful, if Elizabeth swallowed everything, and she went the fuck to sleep long before any of the rest would have taken effect. Her heart rate would have slowed, and I'm assuming the alcohol would have made the blood thin and increase absorption of the medication, so passing was sudden if not gradual.

Twrx said:
They've really set that poor kid up for failure.
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Not only did the poor kid inherit his parent's genes and illnesses, he has to grow up wondering why one of them is missing, or why they left in such a way. That's rough on a child, worse if they found the body. Amanda says the child is doing fine, so here's to hoping he actually gets an influential figure in his life for once, that isn't a psychotic schizoid that could potentially hurt someone.


Welcome to psychosis and schizophrenia. Once you fall in the rabbit hole, you're on one big highway to hell, and no one can save you; her friends were basically her hitting the roots and rocks on the way down, they made her worse.

Speaking to Amanda directly here, I don't find these threads amusing(at least not the suffering), but I sympathize with suicides and victims, and people suffering more than I do anyone. I also know turning from the past, especially deaths, only leads to more questions that need answers. I have a few on my end that I'm digging for myself.

Once you get past the numbness, you start to get to fill the holes and learn pieces you never knew happened or existed. You maybe learn if there were parties or people directly responsible, and how so. You can learn their past and understand why they are who they are, or attempt to.

But right now, like Smutley said, you're grieving, so you need the space before you get the closure.

I'm not here to laugh at people, personally. I find certain individuals to be very interesting as smaller individual case studies, and I get to learn about faces I saw once or twice and never paid attention to in the past.
 
Manapan said:
And for a while, she was happier than I've ever seen her. She quit using drugs. She cut down her alcohol use by a ton. She was working full time. She was actually smiling and she liked the pictures of herself. But it's really hard for people to accept sometimes. And the criticism wore on her. It got to a point that everyone who had even the smallest bad thing to say was to be banned from our lives. That's how we lost contact with most of our friends and family. That was when to have contact with anybody, they pretty much had to be on her list of approved people.
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This is what toxic social groups do, and is a hallmark of cult-like behavior. I doubt it's really on purpose in the premeditated way that a religious cult does it, but these trannies put high pressure on people to disconnect from anyone who disapproves or criticizes their shitty behavior at all, even if the results are terrible for the people involved and it wrecks their social status and mental health or, in this case, even leads them directly to suicide.

Then if they realize they've made a terrible mistake and try to back out of it, they have already alienated their real family and friends, and their new "friends" drop them like a hot potato and malign them relentlessly.

I wish this thread didn't have to exist.
 
Null said:
Okay, blaming a hands-off internet gossip forum for someone's suicide is fucking idiotic to begin with, but we didn't even know who this person is. Their bitter, indignant suicide note, they blame Donald Trump and White People for their suicide. This guy.

FKvTUfC.jpg


What you have here is a mental child who doesn't want any responsibility in life and who blames all their problems on elements out of their control. If Donald Trump is president and I can't change that, then why even live? This is the ultimate conclusion of any spoiled person who got their way by holding their breath: they suffocated.

This is also the second instance of the forum being blamed for a suicide that had nothing to do with the forum. The first person mentioned us nowhere in their note and basically ignored the fact we existed, probably because there was a ton of other horrible shit going on in their life on top of a non-existent family structure.

Following that trend is people who had no interest in the survival of the person who had killed themselves suddenly caring when it fits their political narrative against us.

Greta only cares about Trans suicides for two reasons:
1. It pays his bills.
2. It helps take down the KF.
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The really sad part about all of this is that it has come to this point. I mean, for a few years if anyone tried to criticize those that encouraged others from not seeing a psychiatrist or claimed that the Conservative Right will round up LGBT members to concentration camps, they were automatically called a "bigot" and part of the "cisgender tyranny". It seems only recently that a backlash against these types has come.
 
Manapan said:
I just wanted whatever was going to help her be her best self. We have a young child. I wanted her to have stable employment and be a good role model for him instead of being crippled by drugs, alcohol, and depression. If transition was the answer, I was willing to go along with it.

And for a while, she was happier than I've ever seen her. She quit using drugs. She cut down her alcohol use by a ton. She was working full time. She was actually smiling and she liked the pictures of herself. But it's really hard for people to accept sometimes. And the criticism wore on her. It got to a point that everyone who had even the smallest bad thing to say was to be banned from our lives. That's how we lost contact with most of our friends and family. That was when to have contact with anybody, they pretty much had to be on her list of approved people.

As her mental health declined, it got really draining to try to take care of our child, of her, and of myself. December 2015 she was admitted to the hospital for her mental health. That was really hard for us, since we'd only spent a single night apart in nearly eight years at that time, but it was also the first chance for me to see "oh, wait, the kid misses her but his behavior is improving, he's showing affection more often, he's learning some skills he didn't have a week ago". When she returned, life went to hell again and I'll be honest, that was when I ended up in the mental hospital myself. (I read your threads, I know you think I'm an unfit parent. But I'm trying, okay? And my therapist says I'm doing a fine job.)
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It's unfortunate to say, but removing your son from his influence was the best thing to do for him. It's unimaginable to be in a situation like this, I think you made the right choice and I'm sure it was incredibly difficult to do. It sounds like Lizzy isolated themselves from people who might have had their best interest in mind by asking hard questions, and then walled himself in an echo chamber that wound up exasperating their mental illness. I'm glad you and your kid got out safely, I'm sorry for your loss.
 
Manapan said:
I just wanted whatever was going to help her be her best self. We have a young child. I wanted her to have stable employment and be a good role model for him instead of being crippled by drugs, alcohol, and depression. If transition was the answer, I was willing to go along with it.

And for a while, she was happier than I've ever seen her. She quit using drugs. She cut down her alcohol use by a ton. She was working full time. She was actually smiling and she liked the pictures of herself. But it's really hard for people to accept sometimes. And the criticism wore on her. It got to a point that everyone who had even the smallest bad thing to say was to be banned from our lives. That's how we lost contact with most of our friends and family. That was when to have contact with anybody, they pretty much had to be on her list of approved people.

As her mental health declined, it got really draining to try to take care of our child, of her, and of myself. December 2015 she was admitted to the hospital for her mental health. That was really hard for us, since we'd only spent a single night apart in nearly eight years at that time, but it was also the first chance for me to see "oh, wait, the kid misses her but his behavior is improving, he's showing affection more often, he's learning some skills he didn't have a week ago". When she returned, life went to hell again and I'll be honest, that was when I ended up in the mental hospital myself. (I read your threads, I know you think I'm an unfit parent. But I'm trying, okay? And my therapist says I'm doing a fine job.)
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Stay strong for your child. You've been through a lot and I hope things get better for you both.
 
@Manapan

Now that you view Tatoe being "agender" as a product of the environment he was in, how much does that scare the shit out of you? Does what might have happened and what other roles he may have adopted had you stayed terrify you?
 
repentance said:
@Manapan

Now that you view Tatoe being "agender" as a product of the environment he was in, how much does that scare the shit out of you? Does what might have happened and what other roles he may have adopted had you stayed terrify you?
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This is one of the scariest parts to me. I wanted to keep our family together. I wanted people to be accepted for who they are. But it was really easy to get sucked in. Tatoe wasn't the only one who started questioning his gender. You know. You have my reddit history. There was a lot of rhetoric being thrown around. And there was a lot of acceptance and an admission to an inner circle of sorts that came with questioning.

I have to figure out where I went wrong so I don't let anything like this happen again.
 
Manapan said:
This is one of the scariest parts to me. I wanted to keep our family together. I wanted people to be accepted for who they are. But it was really easy to get sucked in. Tatoe wasn't the only one who started questioning his gender. You know. You have my reddit history. There was a lot of rhetoric being thrown around. And there was a lot of acceptance and an admission to an inner circle of sorts that came with questioning.

I have to figure out where I went wrong so I don't let anything like this happen again.
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Well, I'd imagine you went wrong, as many women do, when you began dating a mentally ill man and thinking that you could change him. That's a fun little experiment when you're like 22 but it gets old pretty quickly, I'd imagine. Now that you're older and have a kid to take care of I'm sure you know better. Just surround yourself with people who are somewhat happy and healthy and you'll be aight.
 
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repentance said:
@Manapan

Now that you view Tatoe being "agender" as a product of the environment he was in, how much does that scare the shit out of you? Does what might have happened and what other roles he may have adopted had you stayed terrify you?
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He's already leaping out of bed expecting a revolution of commies. How not to raise a child 101: make them your little soldier
 
Hellfire said:
Have you or the family put any thoughts into setting up some kind of donations for John III? If the trans community is going to pretend to be upset about Elizabeth's passing then they could at least put their money with their mouth is and help the actual victims, and not a scam lifeline or other Facebook trans beggers who helped enable Elizabeth's death with their rhetoric and apathy and are now sitting around with their hands out.
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I'm unemployed but looking for work. Things are tight, but we're getting by. If anyone wants to do something to help, I've asked them to do a good deed for someone else.
 
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