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"Gray Jedi" is just someone using the light side but not being a member of the order, same as "dark Jedi" is just someone who uses the dark side but not being a proper Sith. Jacen Solo tried to put himself beyond light and dark and ended up becoming a Sith.
This reminds me of Jolee Bindo and Qui-Gon as a pair of gray Jedi who had disagreements with the Jedi Council.

A bot off-topic but I just find it interesting that you have Jedi like Luke and Kyle Katarn using Dark-side related powers to get their point across. I remember playing Jedi Academy where Kyle said something about how Light and Dark side powers are just labels, it's how they're being used that matters thereby teaching his students on not just seeing things in black and white.
 
I remember playing Jedi Academy where Kyle said something about how Light and Dark side powers are just labels, it's how they're being used that matters thereby teaching his students on not just seeing things in black and white.
They tried it with Luke's order abandoning the philosophy of Living Force in favor Unifying Force, where it's not what you do but your intention behind that action really matters but they soon figured out it's a bad idea leading to people doing bad things and returned to the old teachings.
 
They tried it with Luke's order abandoning the philosophy of Living Force in favor Unifying Force, where it's not what you do but your intention behind that action really matters but they soon figured out it's a bad idea leading to people doing bad things and returned to the old teachings.
I'm not surprised if there were a couple of Padawans who abused their powers "for the greater good."

Still, it makes for a better story than whatever The Acolyte is doing right now.
 
George was pretty dead set on the idea that the Dark Side was evil, full stop. He compared Pappa Palpatine to Satan numerous times throughout the decades. He's compared the Dark Side to cancer, and stated that "balance" within the force is the eradication of the Dark Side entirely.
Difference is, Lucas allowed others to interpret his works in different ways. Also, last I checked, Lucas' era had the Force abilities be described neither as good nor bad, it's what you do with them that counts. Someone who ''falls'' to the Dark Side is someone who allows his negative emotions to rule him, hence why those who ''fall'' to the Dark Side look like boiled cow hemorrhoids, whereas you can have positive emotions like love and compassion power your Force powers, so someone like Starkiller can become one with the Force and still look good and not be corrupted by the Dark Side, despite tossing as much Force Lightning as Palpatine does and openly calling upon the more aggressive Force powers usually associated with the Dark Side.

Also, in TCW, Lucas basically passed around the idea that you can't have Light without the Darkness with the Mortis arc. Anakin was meant to rule both the son and daughter, to keep them in balance, not kill one and elevate the other.

We're flat out told by Yoda that the Dark Side may be a quicker path to power, but it always corrupts those who use it.
Hell, Luke Force Choking the Gamorrean Guards in Jabba's palace is supposed to be a sign that Luke is skirting too close to the Dark Side even though he does it for a good reason.
Not really. Luke's farther from the Dark Side than any of the Jedi Masters; in fact, they outright wanted him to kill Vader, he wanted to show compassion. They were closer to Sith thinking than Luke ever was. Meanwhile, in the PT, Windu also skirts rather close to the Dark Side with his Vapaad technique, yet it is that same technique that allowed him to defeat Sidious, whereas the other Jedi went down like chumps. If Anakin was removed from the picture, the fact that Windu used an aspect of the Dark Side against Sidious through Vaapad would've meant that the Jedi would've defeated the Sith for good. Which is rather ironic. The one Jedi who skirted the closest to the Dark Side outside of Anakin was the one who was the closest to wiping out the Sith for good in the PT era.

There's also the fact that the Jedi are displayed to be WRONG on more than a few things. Like say, love. Love is something the Jedi avoid like the plague, yet it saves. It doesn't condemn, the way Yoda and many other Jedi thought it would. We see Jolee explain it in KOTOR, and we see it in action in ROTJ where Luke's love for his father dragged him out of darkness and into the Light. Which ironically, just meant that Anakin used his rage and anger to grab the Emperor and toss him into the pit. He didn't have the passionless serenity of the Jedi when he killed Palpatine; he was still angry as fuck, he still had his silent anger he displayed as Vader, except this time, he channeled his rage at the right target.

If Yoda was right, then Luke not killing Vader means he's not a Jedi. Which is obviously false, since Luke in the SWEU sets up the new Jedi Order.

It's really only the EU that tries to push this idea of a morally grey area within the force even though, again, thats not what George ever had in mind. So it's kinda dumb to blame the whole "use dark side=space hitler" thing solely on Dinsey. And the EU is the reason we have faggoty concepts like "grey jedi" which just boil down to edgy Donut Steals.
Lucas had full reign over the SWEU. He was Lucasfilm and Lucasarts' one true superior, he was their top executive, he was the King of Star Wars, if you're feeling dramatic. He could remove anything he deemed to be not kosher with his views. He removed the idea of an evil Obi-Wan clone from the Thrawn trilogy, forcing them to make up another Jedi to be cloned and be Thrawn's advisor. He removed the idea of an impostor Vader for Dark Empire, which was their original idea, telling them to bring back Palpatine instead. And yet the SWEU was allowed to experiment with the Force, and Lucas even made Force Unleashed as his official bridge between Episodes 3 and 4. A game where you play as a Sith who chucks as much lightning as Papa Palpatine, and the dude becomes one with the Force at the end and inspires the Rebellion.

If Lucas wanted to, he could've had all mentions of grey Jedi removed and had every Jedi who used Dark Side powers become corrupted. He didn't do that. He did the opposite; his official bridge between the PT and the OT involved a Sith who used the Dark Side a lot, but he didn't let the Dark Side corrupt him, and he died, inspiring the Rebellion as a martyr and becoming one with the Force, with his face bearing no Dark Side corruption.

Basically, it ain't solely Disney's doing that Dark Side= Space Hitler. It cam from George and it's about the only thing of his they held on to.
LOL George and his mates made a game where some Sith who chucks as much lighting as Palpatine became one with the Light Side and inspired the Rebel Alliance.

Here's a challenge; name me one power unique to the Light Side that the Dark-Siders couldn't use.
 
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Also I think I recognized the troon/skinwalker youtuber among the females.
Lol, he stood out instantly when he spoke. The second I heard it I was like 'wait, they're not all women?'. He was the one who was tasked with taking the sisters away too, because of course he was.

Honestly, I thought even through the AI generated dialogue the episode had some interesting ideas and story beats, but it was all just made moot by the fact that a small child setting fire to an electronic door burns down a whole vagina mountain. There's no mystery anymore, there's no reason to invest or feel sorry for the evil sister, since through her own perspective, she's proven she's just a huge tit.

I'll give credit to the two young girls who played the twins, I thought they did a good job being distinctive. The lady who played the Witch Mother was okay though she had fuck all character to work with.

The script was badly written. During the scene where one of the girls takes the test, she gives the wrong answer everytime and when she gets caught, the asian Jedi doesn't ask her "Why did you lie?" but "Who told you to lie?". It doesn't make sense unless the character got access to the script, lol
No, that actually made perfect sense. She's lying about the images on the datapad, but she doesn't want to, and Sol (Korean Jedi) wrong foots her about the answers. She desperately wants to pass the test despite what she promised her sister, so she's upset and lets it slip when she realizes he's allowing her to fail. So the only conclusion he could reach is that she is lying against her will. It's not clever, but it makes sense.

One bit that didn't make sense was Carrie-Ann Moss telling the Witch Mother they could not deny they had the right to test her children...but only with her permission. I'm guessing it was because whoever wrote that bit needed the space po po to oppress the black lady without actually disrespecting her.

Here's a challenge; name me one power unique to the Light Side that the Dark-Siders couldn't use.
Force-ghost - the ability to pass on your wisdom and knowledge after death in very infrequent and inconvenient ways.

I think it's also a power that's denied to Sith because they are unable to make peace and become one with the Force. I think when Legacy Palpatine's final clone died, he was dragged into oblivion by all the spirits of all the Jedi who had ever lived.

I think, in keeping with the subtler side of the Light side of the Force is that you get little glimpses of something during Revenge of the Sith, where Yoda looks straight into Palpatine's eyes and the latter is briefly terrified. It's an interesting moment because specifically from that point on in the saga, Palpatine never regains the same control over events. He loses Yoda, and Vader is maimed, robbing him of his perfect apprentice, and his Empire suffers a slow drip of setbacks until his defeat. It's almost as though Yoda breaks through the veil and sees the whole future, which Palpatine himself can't access. I dunno, it's interesting, this idea that there's a bit more to the Light side than just a tech tree.
 
Force-ghost - the ability to pass on your wisdom and knowledge after death in very infrequent and inconvenient ways.

I think it's also a power that's denied to Sith because they are unable to make peace and become one with the Force. I think when Legacy Palpatine's final clone died, he was dragged into oblivion by all the spirits of all the Jedi who had ever lived.

I think, in keeping with the subtler side of the Light side of the Force is that you get little glimpses of something during Revenge of the Sith, where Yoda looks straight into Palpatine's eyes and the latter is briefly terrified. It's an interesting moment because specifically from that point on in the saga, Palpatine never regains the same control over events. He loses Yoda, and Vader is maimed, robbing him of his perfect apprentice, and his Empire suffers a slow drip of setbacks until his defeat. It's almost as though Yoda breaks through the veil and sees the whole future, which Palpatine himself can't access. I dunno, it's interesting, this idea that there's a bit more to the Light side than just a tech tree.
That's only in the new canon. In the old canon, Sith force ghosts haunt the tombs of Korriban. Some even incite wars or baptize new initiates to the cause. The Exar Kun War was fueled by two Dark Jedi that the Sith spirits supported.

There's also the fact that unlike Jedi ghosts, Sith ghosts can possess vessels and come back into the mortal realm. Lucas' favorite SW comic was Dark Empire, where Palpatine's spirit inhabited a series of clone bodies. He was finally foiled, not just by the Jedi, but by an Imperial deep state led by the Sith Lord Carnor Jax that enjoyed the freedom they experienced after Endor and didn't want to give it up to the revived Emperor. So they poisoned his clone bodies, forcing him to seek a vessel among the Skywalkers, which led to his doom. It is also notable that in that same comic, we see Palpatine commune with the spirits of the Ancient Sith when he was down to his last clone body, and they laugh at his failures.

In Jedi Academy, Marka Ragnos did the same after Tavion shot his tomb with enough Force energy; Ragnos possessed Tavion and fought with his sword, as if he were once again in the flesh. If it wasn't for the timely actions of Jaden Korr destroying Ragnos' staff, Ragnos would've ruled the Empire and led them to victory against the New Republic.

Revenge of the Sith is a tale of the Jedi's failure. They literally had every advantage dangled in front of their faces, and they failed to take note or use them. And even though Palpatine lost his perfect apprentice, he still gained a powerful one, and his hold over the galaxy was uncontested. He even tells Vader to let the surviving Jedi go, to let them bury their heads in shame in the backwater worlds of the Outer Rim, as payment for a thousand years of arrogance after they defeated the Sith the last time. Palpatine was more than happy with the development, especially since if Anakin retained his power, he'd have obviously killed Sidious and taken the throne.

Also, the Empire continued to go on long after its supposed defeat. Even before the Emperor returned in the flesh, the Empire's remnants, emboldened by Thrawn's adventures, seized Coruscant right before the Emperor returned.

It still feels like the Light Side is horribly underpowered. That's basically my biggest problem with both Lucas and Tolkien's works. The Dark Side gets all sorts of cool toys and powers, and the Light gets hippie magic bullshit and some one-with-nature crap. Which, if you look at the Bible and other religious texts, is the exact opposite; God who represents the supreme good has no problems throwing lightning storms, creating life out of nothing, raising people from the dead, etc.. The kind of power Anakin and Palpatine sought from the Dark Side would be the kind of power you'd usually see be associated with Divine powers. I mean, your average pleb back in the old days would interpret someone getting struck down by lightning as God or the gods getting angry with that person because he's somehow wicked.

Basically, the powers the Sith seek in the Dark Side are powers usually attributed to Divinity in most religions, whereas the powers the Jedi have with the Light, outside of basic telekinesis, buffs, and wielding a lightsaber, are the kind of hippie bullshit granola-bar nonsense that you'd expect from a new-age mystic who's trying to leave traditional religion because he wants to worship or be in harmony with nature or some crap. The only truly impressive power they have outside of telekinesis is mind tricks, which are more associated with quack mystics who try to pull a fast one on people. Not knights serving a higher power who enforce justice.

That's probably why, as a kid, I found more common cause with the Sith, because not only are their powers more similar to what usually passes for Divine powers in most religions, it's also because Jedi philosophy sounds like the same hippie yoga bullshit that new age people today try to pass off as religion, and while it has a smidge of Biblical precepts, like not giving into anger or temptation, or having faith in a higher power, the Jedi Code in the end preaches some kind of detachment that feels unhealthy, especially when they cast love as the enemy, when most moral systems cast love as something universally good.

Sure, the Sith are a bunch of backstabbing cunts, and that's something no good or Godly person would mimic, but at least the Sith don't cast love as the enemy the way the Jedi do, and they don't take it up the ass from a clearly corrupt government that just takes advantage of the Jedi while doing nothing but fattening the wallets of their richest and most privileged inner circles.
 
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That group of witches were pretty shitty, tbh. Trying to force a girl into something she clearly didn’t want to do, ignoring her wishes, telling her she’s too young and stupid to know what she wants, and the sister that was 100% with then decided it was better to kill her sister than let her leave.
 
That group of witches were pretty shitty, tbh. Trying to force a girl into something she clearly didn’t want to do, ignoring her wishes, telling her she’s too young and stupid to know what she wants, and the sister that was 100% with then decided it was better to kill her sister than let her leave.
Like I said, at the end, General Grievous and Count Dooku seem to have the right idea concerning witches in Star Wars.
 
I think That Junkman might be the best textbook example of a leftist projecting I have ever seen. He, in his mid-50s, is still obsessed with the toys from the 70s and 80s while calling anyone who dislikes Disney Star Wars manchildren. He hates capitalism, but he will defend Disney and Hasbro. He calls anyone who hates Kathleen Kennedy racist and sexist yet blames Star Wars low ratings on white straight males. He calls Anime perverted and pedophilic, yet he gets excited watching children's underwear ads with his buddy. Not even joking. It's pretty creepy.
 
Not really. Luke's farther from the Dark Side than any of the Jedi Masters; in fact, they outright wanted him to kill Vader, he wanted to show compassion
That IS in line with Jedi teaching, however. They teach detachment and are taken from their families as infants. Anakin was judged too old to join because he was nine. To Yoda and Obi Wan, the fact that Vader is Luke's father is an emotional tie that he must overcome to complete his training and become a true (detached) Jedi Knight.

Now that's not to say that this isn't closer to the dark side or not, just that it's not hypocritical for the Jedi. They're a fusion of Chivalric knights, western monasticism and Buddhist philosophy. Their whole thing is that the person must subsume themselves to the will of the Force and to them, putting bloodline or personal attachments above duty is a selfish act.

Disney SW is severely messing up due to the fact that they don't actually understand the philosophy and are deconstructing it in favour of moral relativism and Progressive oppression-stack politics.

Incidentally, I've watched none of The Acolyte but did watch Critical Drinker's video. I take Outrage Pedlars with a pinch of salt though it did look bad. The only thing I was curious about was how that poison thing worked on the floaty Jedi. I know he drunk it but why? Was he tricked? Did he think she was giving an offering? Just curious.
 
He did the opposite; his official bridge between the PT and the OT involved a Sith who used the Dark Side a lot, but he didn't let the Dark Side corrupt him, and he died, inspiring the Rebellion as a martyr and becoming one with the Force, with his face bearing no Dark Side corruption.
Galen's crest became the Rebellion's symbol if my memory serves me correctly. It still saddens me that there was seemingly no ending to the Force Unleashed series itself. Galen takes Vader as a prisoner and then...poof. I'll assume he got killed by Vader before Ep. 4.
 
Galen's crest became the Rebellion's symbol if my memory serves me correctly. It still saddens me that there was seemingly no ending to the Force Unleashed series itself. Galen takes Vader as a prisoner and then...poof. I'll assume he got killed by Vader before Ep. 4.
It was a silly story anyhow. It was marketed as playing as Vader's apprentice and a dark force user. But even when Starkiller actually serves Vader he does so with doubt.

Everyone was doing silly force moves.
Vader actually constantly bumbles as the emperor always knows what he is planning and Vader's plans constantly backfire.

Compared to even previous star wars games it came off as being corny.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=o0TEU1s0g8ohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Sm9ARBugkHQhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=-WOPpT4sMM4https://youtube.com/watch?v=IhmqDFf3Z2QI think That Junkman might be the best textbook example of a leftist projecting I have ever seen. He, in his mid-50s, is still obsessed with the toys from the 70s and 80s while calling anyone who dislikes Disney Star Wars manchildren. He hates capitalism, but he will defend Disney and Hasbro. He calls anyone who hates Kathleen Kennedy racist and sexist yet blames Star Wars low ratings on white straight males. He calls Anime perverted and pedophilic, yet he gets excited watching children's underwear ads with his buddy. Not even joking. It's pretty creepy.
I lump Junkman with his arch-nemesis, Retroblasting. Both hate each other yet both are retarded man-children.
"Ma'am, that's not how biology works."
Compared to even previous star wars games it came off as being corny.
I'd rather play The Force Unleashed than The Phantom Menace video game for the PS1.
 
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