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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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Pikimon said:
I think you're missing the point entirely. You have to have a ground game in order to gain anything in swing states, which Trump desperately needs all of them in order to have a chance. Campaign offices are your forts where your volunteers and supporters can canvass and energize their base for a candidate.
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Well despite the support Trump is getting due to people being just fed up with the bullshit. Hillary is spending big, calling in every favor and paying off every person that you could possibly pay off to get the good media coverage. And shes still doing fund raisers.

It's literally nothing more than a massive marketing campaign really. I barely know where they stand on policy, even though it doesn't matter since things change, people forget after the election. If Hillary can avoid Trump, a debate, or a question time during the entire election I think she will be fine. That's why shes avoiding it all. Otherwise it might backfire and fuck her over, I'm sure her campaign manager realizes this.
 
Brandobaris said:
Well despite the support Trump is getting due to people being just fed up with the bullshit. Hillary is spending big, calling in every favor and paying off every person that you could possibly pay off to get the good media coverage. And shes still doing fund raisers.

It's literally nothing more than a massive marketing campaign really. I barely know where they stand on policy, even though it doesn't matter since things change, people forget after the election. If Hillary can avoid Trump, a debate, or a question time during the entire election I think she will be fine. That's why shes avoiding it all. Otherwise it might backfire and fuck her over, I'm sure her campaign manager realizes this.
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They're laying low because Trump is doing most of the work setting voting groups against him. Why attack your opponent when they're doing a good job enough by themselves?

And honestly the debates are where I'm interested the most, allegedly Trump hasn't been preparing for the debates at all (which is something you have to take with a grain of salt but still keep in mind), while Hillary has been prepping non-stop and preparing for attacks on her marriage, the email scandal(s), among other things from Trump.

However, the bar is set very very low for Trump and any sign of competence for Trump will likely be seen as a "victory".

The name of the game will to get Trump to meltdown or at least act out during the debates (like Romney calling the moderators "biased" during the debates) and the best way to get Trump to act out is to question the level of "success" he's had (which has always been a sore spot for Trump)
 
This Paul Krugman article in NYT is an act of violence upon thought; tantamount in deliberate stupidity to Laci Green's video about false rape accusations with two question marks written after the all caps title.

Optimus Prime said:
Honestly, politicians being stupid with technology is almost par for the course these days. Not saying you're incorrect in your assessment on Clinton, but at this point I have little reason to believe Trump would be any better handling confidential material.
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Hillary Clinton used over a dozen blackberries and half-a-dozen tablets while Secretary of State and sent tens of thousands of e-mails during that time period. Even if she was dumber than Trump, she'd be savvy on those things just from the time she's spent on 'em during that one job alone.

Everyone harps on about her being a super-genius until she gets caught doing something sinister. Both of these things can't be true at the same time.

Optimus Prime said:
If Clinton made other mistakes, then why aren't they bringing those up? It has been just this one email scandal non-stop and for all that it seems to be Watergate all over again, I still trust the Dems over the Republicans who are in semi-revolt over what to do with Trump.
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The Clintons always cook up new scandals. You have to deliberately avoid anything above reading mere headlines of news you'd rather not get to think it's one measely e-mail issue that's a problem with this woman.

Optimus Prime said:
I wasn't saying Hillary isn't a crook in her own right, but everything is about this one email thing non-stop. I want to hear about these other things that makes Hilary a bad choice that isn't merely on par with Bill lying about sex under oath.
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Bill Clinton blew up a pharmaceutical plant in one of the poorest countries on the planet to look 'presidential' on the same day as Monica Lewinsky's grand-jury testimony.

Clinton lied, Hillary cried has always been a bullshitter. Clinton lied, then killed people to dilute the credibility of a woman he defamed as a stalker until the Blue Dress came into public knowledge.
 
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Pikimon said:
And honestly the debates are where I'm interested the most, allegedly Trump hasn't been preparing for the debates at all (which is something you have to take with a grain of salt but still keep in mind), while Hillary has been prepping non-stop and preparing for attacks on her marriage, the email scandal(s), among other things from Trump.
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It's not like Trump is adverse to making up brand new issues that the candidates are then forced to respond to. Isn't the "Hilary is ill" rumor his fault? I'm sure he'll come up with something good.
 
melty said:
It's not like Trump is adverse to making up brand new issues that the candidates are then forced to respond to. Isn't the "Hilary is ill" rumor his fault? I'm sure he'll come up with something good.
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No he didn't start it just like he didn't ask to see Obamas birth certificate.
 
Ruin said:
You do know that Hillary Clinton started the birther thing during the 2008 election right?
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That's fine, she dropped it though. A man who was peddling a cable television show didn't stop running his mouth for years about it.
 
Pikimon said:
The name of the game will to get Trump to meltdown or at least act out during the debates (like Romney calling the moderators "biased" during the debates) and the best way to get Trump to act out is to question the level of "success" he's had (which has always been a sore spot for Trump)
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You think Trump calling the moderators biased will be his meltdown? He already called most of the US news biased, by that definition he should be out of the race by now. I think he's pretty quick on his feet in impromptu debate, he's got experience in TV so he knows how to read a crowd and play them. As long as he has a nice warm cup of milk and a nap beforehand I'm sure he'll be fine unless Hillary somehow just straight up doesn't show up.
 
melty said:
I've been keeping a close eye on 538 and since Manafort left Trump's been slowly but steadily coming back. At his lowest he had something like an 11% chance of being elected, now he's just shy of 30%
I would want him elected for no other reason than to see how he handles the top secret stuff they tell the new presidents. If there really are aliens or whatever, what are the chances he'd blab about it on twitter? Apparently I'm not the only one thinking this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/05/spies-worry-candidate-trump-will-spill-secrets.html
http://www.atlasobscura.com/article...didates-get-top-secret-intelligence-briefings
Apparently as the nominee he was given a lite briefing already, I guess he hasn't blabbed yet but I wonder if that explains his erratic behavior basically torpedoing his own campaign after the convention...
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Bannon's kept Trump on a tight leash despite the assumptions he would do something else. He gives "big important" speeches where he says five dollar words to "prove he's not racist" to white people then follows it up with more vehement screeds against everybody of a dark skin tone to all white audiences. He's basically pandering to every side he can, confusing the shit out of the media, and avoiding the shitstorm of stupidity that he tends to unleash when he...well, does anything. He's staying quiet when he's not pandering.

Clinton for her part lost the convention bump (as tends to happen) and for the past two weeks her emails have been coming back with a vengeance in the media.

Polls always jump up and down until around October. After the debates you'll get a clearer picture. That said I doubt Trump is going to start skyrocketing upwards unless Clinton majorly fucks up at the debates. Which I don't think will happen. By all accounts she's fanatically studying for that shit. Trump for his part is according to most just planning to wing it. Clinton's a good debater also. She made Bernie look like an idiot and he actually had integrity. She'll eat Trump alive and bait him into saying something insane that alienates the general public. Trump without the teleprompter and during interviews is a self destructive moron, let's keep in mind.
 
Kokorengo said:
This is bullshit.
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[Mexicans]'re bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people.

[Alfonzo Curiel] is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican, which is all fine. But I say, he's got bias. I want to build a wall.

[Ted Cruz] father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don't even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it.

If you look at [Ghazala Khan], she was standing there, she had nothing to say. Probably maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and it looked like she had nothing to say.

CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS
 
*Asterisk* said:
Mexicans]'re bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people.
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Illegal immigrants. Not just Mexicans. Or are you implying all Mexicans are criminals.

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[Alfonzo Curiel] is a member of a club or society, very strongly pro-Mexican, which is all fine. But I say, he's got bias. I want to build a wall.
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From Wikipedia
"Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a nonprofit professional association of Latino lawyers that is affiliated with a statewide organization, the La Raza Lawyers of California.[37][38] Neither these groups nor Curiel are affiliated with the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), an unrelated advocacy group.[37]"
Definitely no biases here, no siree!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_P._Curiel#cite_note-HeeLee-38

*Asterisk* said:
[Ted Cruz] father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being — you know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don't even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it.
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Did you just amass a bunch of "silly dump dumbo Drumpf" as an attempt at an argument? The other guy said Trump went on to attack anyone of a darker skin tone or something (AKA the old and tired "DAS RAYCISS!!!!") and this guy was white, so what are you even insinuating here.

*Asterisk* said:
If you look at [Ghazala Khan], she was standing there, she had nothing to say. Probably maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and it looked like she had nothing to say.
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Critizicing muslims for anything at all is racism. Okay.

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CIVIL LIBERTIES END WHEN AN ATTACK ON OUR SAFETY BEGINS
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An opinion piece on a newspaper from almost thirty years ago, where again he makes no mention of race. What does this have to do with what I was responding to?
"He gives "big important" speeches where he says five dollar words to "prove he's not racist" to white people then follows it up with more vehement screeds against everybody of a dark skin tone to all white audiences."
 
I really wish people would educate themselves on what things really mean instead of using them as meaningless buzzwords in arguments. Racism is the belief that some races are inherently inferior to other races. Donald Trump has never said anything like that, he's bigoted yes but not racist.

bigotry - I hate black people
xenophobia - all these immigrants coming in are bringing crime and disease
racism - black people are genetically inferior to white people

Use the proper context for words. Otherwise you look like a Tumblr/Stormfront retard.
 
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Ruin said:
I really wish people would educate themselves what things really mean instead of using them as meaningless buzzwords in arguments. Racism is the belief that some races are inherently inferior to other races. Donald Trump has never said anything like that, he's bigoted yes but not racist.

bigotry - I hate black people
xenophobia - all these immigrants coming in are bringing crime and disease
racism - black people are genetically inferior to white people

Use the proper context for words. Otherwise you look like a Tumblr/Stormfront exceptional individual.
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In what way is Trump bigoted?
 
Brandobaris said:
You think Trump calling the moderators biased will be his meltdown? He already called most of the US news biased, by that definition he should be out of the race by now. I think he's pretty quick on his feet in impromptu debate, he's got experience in TV so he knows how to read a crowd and play them. As long as he has a nice warm cup of milk and a nap beforehand I'm sure he'll be fine unless Hillary somehow just straight up doesn't show up.
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It was a comparison, not a prediction. And reading a crowd won't help him in the debates, as the crowd is specifically vetted to not respond, as in no clapping, no cheering, no booing etc.

That's not to say he won't surprise people, the bar is already set really low for Trump.

Jon-Kacho said:
In what way is Trump bigoted?
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Well I do have a few examples.

And that's without going into his followers, who are a mish-mash of some of the most bigoted and fearful America has to offer.

60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States

50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds

30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States

30% Wish the South won the civil war

25% Islam should be illegal in the United States

25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment

20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States

10% Say Whites are a superior race

15% disapprove of slavery being abolished

- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)

50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants

- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_SC_21616.pdf

Like it or not, Trump has branded himself as the "racist" candidate.
 
Jon-Kacho said:
In what way is Trump bigoted?
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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
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All Mexicans are rapists? :lol:
 
Pikimon said:
Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people and Puerto Ricans.

http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/
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He refused to rent to welfare recipients, it wasn't based on race.
Pikimon said:
The KKK endorses Trump.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/05/02/klan-leader-endorses-trump/
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So? They've got to support someone.
Pikimon said:
Trump gives press credentials to white supremacist radio host.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/donald-trump-gives-interview-pres-credentials-to-white-supremacist/
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He gave credentials to anyone who asked, he had no idea who the guy was.

Pikimon said:
When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on a Hispanic homeless man while yelling Pro-Trump Slogans, Trump responds by defending the men as just being "passionate".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...one-of-them-allegedly-assaulted-hispanic-man/
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His first time hearing about that was in the middle of a press conference and he had to come up with something to say on the spot, he didn't "defend" them.
Pikimon said:
Trump believes that Mexicans are rapist by default.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ents-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/
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All Mexicans are rapists? :lol:
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When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. That means there are good Mexicans, they're just not the ones coming to America.

Pikimon said:
Trump's spokesman, Katrina Pierson, criticized Obama for being "a negro" and not "pure-breed".

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/29/katrina-pierson-donald-trump-spokeswoman-defends-t/
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/25/katrina-pierson-trump-spokeswoman-defends-call-for/

She's also a "half-breed" and said that jokingly, years ago.

Pikimon said:
Trump wants to racially profile to "prevent criminality".

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0Z50PV
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If a certain group of people is committing a disproportionately high number of crimes, you focus on them. That's called policing.
Pikimon said:
Trump had a full-page ad promoting execution of a group of Latino and Black children, who later turned out to be innocent. Trump continued to believe that they were somehow guilty despite the DNA test.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/donald-trump-and-the-central-park-five
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Where does it say he continued to believe they were guilty? And is believing a minority is guilty of a crime automatically racist?
Pikimon said:
He attacked Judge P. Curiel for his "Mexican heritage"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-keeps-up-attacks-on-judge-gonzalo-curiel-1464911442
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The judge was part of a Hispanic lawyer group which advocates for illegal immigrants being given amnesty, basically the exact opposite of what Trump advocates for.
Pikimon said:
And that's without going into his followers, who are a mish-mash of some of the most bigoted and fearful America has to offer.

60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States

50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds

30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States

30% Wish the South won the civil war

25% Islam should be illegal in the United States

25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment

20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States

10% Say Whites are a superior race

15% disapprove of slavery being abolished

- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)

50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants

- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_SC_21616.pdf

Like it or not, Trump has branded himself as the "racist" candidate.
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His supporters don't reflect him. Once again, racists have to support someone and supporting Trump does make the most sense as he's easiest to misconstrue as racist. I'm sure most white supremacists voted for McCain and Romney, are they racist too?
 
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