Debate Otoya and his detractors on whether all knowledge we have comes from God.

[Tablet County]

then we find out the sky was water

Says who? How has the science proven that the sky is water?

 

[skykiii]

te case for "retranslated and interpreted" only can be made if you find a manuscript that differs from the rest. so far, none has been found. what i mean is there are about 5000 complete copies of the Book of Isaiah. Every single one is identical. if you want to start on the "retranslated" case, where are the different copies that suggest that.

But I know enough about you by now that you're going to say this is "fake news" (which you've done before) or else just delete this part of my post and then claim I never linked to anything (also something you've done before).

those arent different translations. the URL itself you posted says VERSION

Hear that guys? If I say 4Kids One Piece is just a "version" and not a "translation" that means its basically the same as the original Japanese broadcast!

if i say "my cat is black", is that open to interpretation?

Yup.

See in most cases we would be informed by this thing called "context."

Context = you're saying your cat is missing and I ask what color it is, then "my cat is black" would mean it has black fur.

Context = you see your cat, suddenly look confused, and say "my cat is black" that means its not normally black furred by something happened to make it black (like soot got spilled on it or something).

Context = We're on Kiwi Farms and you say "my cat is black," you're calling your cat a nigger.

Context = We're in a post-apocalypse and you say "my cat is black," you overcooked your cat (but are probably gonna eat it anyway).

Context = Your cat says "my owner is black," your cat is saying it wants a different owner.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XKp4yWGTfXo

i dont do youtube, youtube is gay and owned by faggots. why dont you break it down for me

But I know enough about you by now that you're going to say this is "fake news" (which you've done before) or else just delete this part of my post and then claim I never linked to anything (also something you've done before).

just because someone posts something on youtube doesnt make it true. as i also (already said) im not into interpretations and preaching and blah blah blah.

Hear that guys? If I say 4Kids One Piece is just a "version" and not a "translation" that means its basically the same as the original Japanese broadcast!

if you watched the 4kids version, and the japanese version, and they were identical, then yes, they'd be the same. im not sure what you're getting at here.

Context = you're saying your cat is missing and I ask what color it is, then "my cat is black" would mean it has black fur.

see, this isnt' CONTEXT. youre arguing semantics. youre adding more irrelevent details

saying the cat is black has all of the information in the sentence itself. your subsequence examples are also adding information or changing it entirely. why add to it? oooohh you wanna change the sentence and its meaning to fit what you want it to mean. is your last name Goldstein?

Says who? How has the science proven that the sky is water?

where i live, every once in a while water actually falls out of the sky. i know a lot of faggot demon worshippers used to say it was the tears or sweat of their demon gods but no....water actually comes out of the sky because theres water up there lol

 

[Tablet County]

saying the cat is black has all of the information in the sentence itself. your subsequence examples are also adding information or changing it entirely. why add to it? oooohh you wanna change the sentence and its meaning to fit what you want it to mean. is your last name Goldstein?

If you wanna get technical the Jews did the word first and then Jesus, the King of the Jews, made a bunch of gay shit up so stupid goyim would drink his blood. Oldest Jewish con in the books.

where i live, every once in a while water actually falls out of the sky. i know a lot of faggot demon worshippers used to say it was the tears or sweat of their demon gods but no....water actually comes out of the sky because theres water up there lol

I'm no longer on a Ruse Cruise, I'm on a Schizo Safari. Take me on a ride to enlightenment my good man.

 

[Grub]

yes we do. there havent been any manuscripts found for any book that is at odds with what we have. there have been no copies of any manuscript found that differs from the rest OR from what we have translated in our hands today

Except those ones that were left out during the council of Nicea because they were found to be problematic. Those books do actually exist and are included in the Bibles of some churches, the Ethiopian church has a few apocryphal books included I'm pretty sure.

those arent different translations. the URL itself you posted says VERSION

I'm guessing you didn't actually click the link at all.

If i say CAT and GATO, this isnt a different version or translation. these are two words describing the same thing, in this case, an object, a cat.

There's a website out there that lets you read different versions of the Bible side by side. Maybe even that same one I linked above. You'd be surprised how different they can be. Greek, Hebrew and English are all very different languages from eachother and the history of the Bible's translation into English is not straightforward.

the OT and the NT were written in hebrew (mostly) and greek respectively. everything is translated from that, and all translations say the same thing.

Wars have been fought and millions of people have died throughout history because people disagree which version of the Bible is correct.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

If you wanna get technical the Jews did the word first and then Jesus, the King of the Jews, made a bunch of gay shit up so stupid goyim would drink his blood. Oldest Jewish con in the books.

this is interesting, this is what the jews said. that jesus was a liar and getting people to drink blood! so you are a jew lol

nah im teasing, a simple once over of the any of the gospels shows that your claim is false.

God did the word first, nothing suggests jesus made anything up. in fact the jews killed him specifically because he WASN'T making shit up lol

I'm no longer on a Ruse Cruise, I'm on a Schizo Safari. Take me on a ride to enlightenment my good man.

i have no enlightnment to give.

Except those ones that were left out during the council of Nicea

i dont care what the council of nicea says. theyre pagans who came into the picture way way way way after the fact. theyre irrelevant

Those books do actually exist and are included in the Bibles of some churches, the Ethiopian church has a few apocryphal books included I'm pretty sure.

yes. i know. i dont know why you told me this tbh

I'm guessing you didn't actually click the link at all.

i dont need to. i use that website almost every day.

You'd be surprised how different they can be. Greek, Hebrew and English are all very different languages from eachother and the history of the Bible's translation into English is not straightforward.

it actually is pretty straightforward. i already covered all this before.

CAT and GATO are indeed different words. but they describe the same concept and idea. see you are implying that if it went from hebrew to japanese, that the japanese were just like "no, it doesnt say SON of MAN, it says PUPPYDOG of MAN"

no translation of the bible in any language that ive seen suggests that

Wars have been fought and millions of people have died throughout history because people disagree which version of the Bible is correct.

eh not really. most of the wars came about because faggots were trying to change it. the hebrew manuscripts say what they say. the jews are shifty and have fucked some shit up, but that doesnt change what the bible says

 

[skykiii]

i dont do youtube, youtube is gay and owned by faggots. why dont you break it down for me

Yup this is exactly the "honesty" I expected from you.

I'm not your personal servant who has to bow to your every retarded whim, and you don't get to chicken out of evidence by saying "I don't like the platform." A murderer on trial doesn't get to say that blood splatters are irrelevant because they don't like the sight of blood, after all.

I hope you don't try this kind of bullshit with God when your judgement day comes. With me you only get a slightly irritated kiwi. With God you get a one-way trip to the lake of fire.

Except those ones that were left out during the council of Nicea because they were found to be problematic. Those books do actually exist and are included in the Bibles of some churches, the Ethiopian church has a few apocryphal books included I'm pretty sure.

This was pointed out to him earlier and his response was--I quote--"Fake news."

i dont care what the council of nicea says. theyre pagans who came into the picture way way way way after the fact. theyre irrelevant

Then you should consider the apocryphal books to be canon because they're the people who decided they weren't. If you don't care what they said, then the apocrypha should be part of your canon.

Add this to the latest on the list of things you said that make absolutely no sense and feel like you're making shit up at random. You should probably get a job at DC Comics... or in politics.

 

[Tablet County]

a simple once over of the any of the gospels shows that your claim is false.

The gospels were written by other jews who had a vested interest in trojan horsing zionism via a new faith that Romans wouldn't find as icky.

i have no enlightnment to give.

You sell yourself too short. You're a modern prophet, like Joseph Smith with extra chromosomes.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Yup this is exactly the "honesty" I expected from you.

look faggot, you have a hill to die on, so fucking die on it.

I'm not your personal servant who has to bow to your every retarded whim

of course not, but you started this fight lol. why start the fight if you arent willing to explain yourself

, and you don't get to chicken out of evidence by saying "I don't like the platform."

this isnt evidence. its a cartoon. its a movie.

you wanted to debate, let's fucking debate. dont post shit other people have said USE YOUR WORDS

A murderer on trial doesn't get to say that blood splatters are irrelevant because they don't like the sight of blood, after all.

this isnt a murder trial. this is me asking you to explain, in your own words, the lies and slander you buy into

if you want to stick with the trial metaphor, you are the prosecutor. a prosecutor builds a case with their words.

I hope you don't try this kind of bullshit with God when your judgement day comes. With me you only get a slightly irritated kiwi. With God you get a one-way trip to the lake of fire.

not according to God

This was pointed out to him earlier and his response was--I quote--"Fake news."

no, the fake news comment was in regards to that there are different canons and different versions of books. in fact, i explained how canon works to you, and even went over a book or 2 with you and discussed their canonicity.

Then you should consider the apocryphal books to be canon because they're the people who decided they weren't. If you don't care what they said, then the apocrypha should be part of your canon.

they arent considered canon because they aren't relevant information to what the bible is about. see, im not a faggot. you can agree with them that something like the book of Enoch is not relevant to the messiah, but also recognize that they made up a bunch of shit that isn't biblically suppoted

Add this to the latest on the list of things you said that make absolutely no sense and feel like you're making shit up at random.

they make sense, you're just retarded at worst and at best just ignorant and lacking information

The gospels were written by other jews who had a vested interest in trojan horsing zionism via a new faith that Romans wouldn't find as icky.

if this was the case, wouldnt the narrative be that jesus was pushing zionism? also it's not a "new faith". the gospel was written by jews, so im not sure what youre getting at with it being incorrect or whatever esoteric point youre trying to make

if it was a trojan horse thing, what was it trying to trojan horse that judaism wasnt already, since the ideas of jesus are exactly the same as judaism in the first palce?

You sell yourself too short. You're a modern prophet, like Joseph Smith with extra chromosomes.

no

 

[Tablet County]

look faggot, you have a hill to die on, so fucking die on it.
of course not, but you started this fight lol. why start the fight if you arent willing to explain yourself
this isnt evidence. its a cartoon. its a movie.

you wanted to debate, let's fucking debate. dont post shit other people have said USE YOUR WORDS

It's twenty eight minutes dude. How'd you get through the bible if you couldn't pay attention for nearly thirty minutes?

if it was a trojan horse thing, what was it trying to trojan horse that judaism wasnt already, since the ideas of jesus are exactly the same as judaism in the first palce?

So Jesus thinks sucking blood out of a baby's dick is kosher? Got it.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

It's twenty eight minutes dude. How'd you get through the bible if you couldn't pay attention for nearly thirty minutes?

well for starters, the bible wasnt made by some faggot with an internet connection

So Jesus thinks sucking blood out of a baby's dick is kosher? Got it.

what are you talking about? jesus was the jewish messiah. moyles and sucking blood out of a baby dick is not a jewish thing. mishnah's, at least that one, is not biblical. some pedo made it up. Metzitzah B'Peh wasnt a thing until like, 300 years after jesus

 

[Grub]

CAT and GATO are indeed different words. but they describe the same concept and idea. see you are implying that if it went from hebrew to japanese, that the japanese were just like "no, it doesnt say SON of MAN, it says PUPPYDOG of MAN"

I don't know Japanese but here's an example from Chinese. In Cantonese, their word for island translates to something like land floating on top of the water or some shit like that anyway, because of this, they have no word for something like a kitchen island. They just use the english word because their language doesn't have a word that adequately describes something like 'a kitchen counter in the middle of the room'. Languages are not all the same, especially languages separated by thousands of years from entirely different cultures. The bible is full of cases in English where the meaning is lost because the language is so different from Hebrew the meaning is not easy to convey.

This was pointed out to him earlier and his response was--I quote--"Fake news."

Yeah I kinda just skimmed through the thread. i'm gathering he's a bit retarded.

 

[Tablet County]

well for starters, the bible wasnt made by some faggot with an internet connection

That is true. It was made by several pedophile sandniggers.

what are you talking about? jesus was the jewish messiah. moyles and sucking blood out of a baby dick is not a jewish thing.

Explain yourself.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

I don't know Japanese but here's an example from Chinese. In Cantonese, their word for island translates to something like land floating on top of the water or some shit like that anyway, because of this, they have no word for something like a kitchen island. They just use the english word because their language doesn't have a word that adequately describes something like 'a kitchen counter in the middle of the room'. Languages are not all the same, especially languages separated by thousands of years from entirely different cultures.

yes. this is why comparison to the original scruiptures is imperative. this is called research. you should look into it

Yeah I kinda just skimmed through the thread. i'm gathering he's a bit retarded.

no, you just dont have any clue what you're talking about in general. people who are intelligent or knowledgeable look retarded to retarded people. the execution of jesus shows you that.

Explain yourself.

how about this, let's get some critical thinking going. where does the bible mention metzitzah b'peh

jesus was the jewish messiah. he was an observer and realizer of jewish law

 

[skykiii]

look faggot, you have a hill to die on, so fucking die on it.

I don't believe in death and I will never ever die.

this isnt a murder trial. this is me asking you to explain, in your own words, the lies and slander you buy into

No, this is you trying to ignore something that might possibly blow a hole in your beliefs.

Besides which, if I bow to this demand you'll just come up with some other outrageous hoop I have to jump through, and you'll be encouraged to do it because I bowed to your first ridiculous demand. I won't let you move the goalposts.

no, the fake news comment was in regards to that there are different canons and different versions of books.

.... which is exactly what Grub was saying....

they arent considered canon because they aren't relevant information to what the bible is about.

Even the books that actually are about Jesus, which you repeatedly claim is the entire point of the Bible?

they make sense, you're just retarded at worst and at best just ignorant and lacking information

Projecting isn't good for your health.

I don't know Japanese but here's an example from Chinese.

I know of another example along these lines--the word "Mansion." In a lot of countries "Mansion" means something like what Americans would call a condo or an apartment, but in America we use that word to mean big fucking houses.

It can make the title of the movie Asterix and the Mansions of the Gods confusing if you don't know this.

Heck even just going from British English to American English can cause some minor confusion--is it a "torch" or a "flashlight?" Is it an "elevator" or a "lift?"

people who are intelligent or knowledgeable look retarded to retarded people.

Nice self-own there.

 

[Grub]

yes. this is why comparison to the original scruiptures is imperative. this is called research. you should look into it

Can you read Hebrew? If not everything you read will be an interpretation.

no, you just dont have any clue what you're talking about in general. people who are intelligent or knowledgeable look retarded to retarded people. the execution of jesus shows you that.

I dunno man you're the one that seems to be ignoring thousands of years of political meddling that has greatly affected the veracity of biblical scriptures as we know them..

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

I don't believe in death and I will never ever die.

ah, a fellow christian? you have a lot of research to do bro lol

something that might possibly blow a hole in your beliefs.

it doesn't

if I bow to this demand you'll just come up with some other outrageous hoop I have to jump through

who wouldve thought satanism and satan apologism would be so much work, huh?

I won't let you move the goalposts

asking you to support your view point is not moving the goalposts. at the very least, even if you dont care or know why you believe what you believe, you could at the very least just follow suit with the rest of the discussion

.... which is exactly what Grub was saying....

no, he was talking about apocrypha, and my response to his was the same as the one i gave you n the subject

Even the books that actually are about Jesus

which apocrypha books involve the messiah?

Projecting isn't good for your health.

projectign is also not even close to the right word you mean to use

Heck even just going from British English to American English can cause some minor confusion--is it a "torch" or a "flashlight?" Is it an "elevator" or a "lift?"

exaclty. holy shit it took you this long to finally get it?

Nice self-own there.

how is it a self-own. i am the one giving YOU the information

 

[Tablet County]

how about this, let's get some critical thinking going. where does the bible mention metzitzah b'peh

I don't know. Why don't you tell me? This is your hill to die on, I'm content in not giving a shit.

jesus was the jewish messiah. he was an observer and realizer of jewish law

Ah yes. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah so the Jewish practice of metzitzah b'peh, which is a Jewish practice, is not a Jewish practice. I understand.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Can you read Hebrew? If not everything you read will be an interpretation.

not really. the words say what they say.

I dunno man you're the one that seems to be ignoring thousands of years of political meddling that has greatly affected the veracity of biblical scriptures as we know them..

because political meddling is not a time machine. it doesnt change the accuracy of something and it doesnt actually change the content of the bible

if some nicean faggots make something up, they didnt change anything about the bible. they just end up being liars. they didnt go back in time an change the bible, they just made shit up lol

I don't know. Why don't you tell me? This is your hill to die on, I'm content in not giving a shit.

well, it doesnt mention it anywhere. you seem hellbent on saying this was a jewish thing

Ah yes. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah so the Jewish practice of metzitzah b'peh, which is a Jewish practice

who said it was a jewish practice? it is not anywhere in the jewish bible, noadichide laws, mosiac laws, etc. so how are they a jewish practice?

this wasnt a thing until like 300AD. which means you have like 3000~ years of 0 jews doing this. so what makes it a "jewish practice"?

 

[Tablet County]

who said it was a jewish practice?

Jews.

it is not anywhere in the jewish bible, noadichide laws, mosiac laws, etc. so how are they a jewish practice?

Because Jews practice it.

well, it doesnt mention it anywhere. you seem hellbent on saying this was a jewish thing

Of course it doesn't. Infidels made alterations to the holy texts to erase their degeneracy. Peddle your ideological poison somewhere else, kafir. Inshallah, righteous jihadis will beat you to death in the streets.