MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I'm starting to wonder, are you literally Hillary's campaign manager?

I wish. George Soros offers a great benefits package.

 

[Brandobaris]

I wish. George Soros offers a great benefits package.

Are you hoping someone in particular wins? I assume you are in the Hillary camp, I'd love to know exactly why though.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Are you hoping someone in particular wins? I assume you are in the Hillary camp, I'd love to know exactly why though.

If you want the honest answer I think we're pretty fucked. This country needs actual change and it needs to deal with the inequality and political stagnation that's currently ripping it apart. Neither Trump or Hillary are going to provide that change. Complete opposite, they're likely to exacerbate those problems, though one perhaps less than the other. My own personal beliefs aren't represented in the US government and aren't up for election either. I see voting as damage control at best. Keyword "control". We're still getting damaged. I'm forced to be practical rather than ideological.

The modern GOP has gone completely off the deep end. I find the hypocrisy and backstabbing nature of the democrats enraging, but at the same time I know things can get far worse. Probably the top issue with me is the supreme court. The people Trump has suggested for that open seat make Scalia look downright moderate. For all the republican bitching about activist judges they go out of their way to make sure people ideologically on the far-right are involved in the courts. If Trump does what he says and appoints somebody from the Heritage Foundation then this country is going to be held back for decades. This is especially true if RBG or one of the others croaks during his term. Clinton's going to nominate Garland, who's fairly centrist and who Obama picked as an attempt at compromise with the republicans (didn't go over so well). Which is tolerable by contrast. I can name other things about Trump that are deal breakers for me, but the long short is that I'm not pro-Clinton so much as anti-alt/right lunacy

 

[cans.wav]

Well, Trumps more nice guy act this week has allowed him to pull ahead in the LA Times poll, especially polling higher substantially with Hispanics. And a poll that just came out an hour ago from ABC in Pennsylvania has Trump now winning Pennsylvania.

The Mainstream medias blitzkrieg didn't do shit it seems.

 

[Brandobaris]

Well, Trumps more nice guy act this week has allowed him to pull ahead in the LA Times poll, especially polling higher substantially with Hispanics. And a poll that just came out an hour ago from ABC in Pennsylvania has Trump now winning Pennsylvania.

The Mainstream medias blitzkrieg didn't do shit it seems.

Seems to be a mirror of the Brexit Blitzkrieg. All the media companies nodding to each other how bad it was. Meanwhile the public is probably being pushed towards the Brexit vote simply due to how biased and partisan the big media is looking to them.

Of course the media could hold the parties accountable, have balanced coverage, perhaps extrapolate themselves from being a mere 3rd party PR/Advertising arm for whatever corporation or party is paying them. But no... that would be far too... Democratic of them, now wouldn't it.

 

[Shokew]

The modern GOP alone is the reason I have no trust in this government (I'll admit Dems ain't any better, but the worst of it comes from the GOP, overall.) - Trump can get in if he likes, but we're gonna be held back and probably facing apocalyptic insanity if the GOP take the House and Senate. I'll be fine with Trump in office if he can do little to nothing (courtesy of the GOP not getting full control of the House and Senate, which it feels like is gonna happen, due to all the voting restriction BS they're pulling and the gerrymandering they're getting away with.).

It's shit like this that makes me feel we need a civil war / revolutionary uprising in this country by its most oppressed. Too bad that's not happening fast enough or as it needs to happen. Also, it's not like such events are going to bring the nation closer together against a true common enemy to begin with, which makes me feel worse for suggesting such measures.

 

[Cosmos]

People are dividing themselves up more and more the past few years, shit like this is pretty inevitable. When a country's leader is meant to unify the people, and the choices we're down to are somebody like Trump who brings out anger and vitriol from so many groups; or someone like Hillary who is seen as untrustworthy and completely corrupt, things aren't looking good.

There has always been a lot of animosity between the parties, but these last few years have gotten much worse.

Yep. This election is basically the outcome of decades of How Not to Handle Politics 101 (biased media, a strong us vs them mentality, unwillingness to compromise on anything, fear-mongering, etc).

In my opinion, the biggest and most dangerous problem with politics today (aside from the two-party system itself) is how both the Republican and Democrat parties seem to view themselves as rival sport teams. And just like how a Cowboys fan would never fraternize with a Redskins fan (and vice versa), Republicans and Democrats are unwilling to play nice and compromise with each other. Call me crazy, but I've always believed that political parties should work together to improve their country and be willing to set aside their differences for the greater good. But instead, we keep getting political deadlocks and nothing ever gets done, at which point both parties point fingers and blame each other for being so obstinate.

It's such a joke. I honestly have a lot of contempt for most of our country's politicians for caring more about themselves and their positions than our country, and I know for a fact I'm far from the only one who feels that way.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Well, Trumps more nice guy act this week has allowed him to pull ahead in the LA Times poll, especially polling higher substantially with Hispanics. And a poll that just came out an hour ago from ABC in Pennsylvania has Trump now winning Pennsylvania.

The Mainstream medias blitzkrieg didn't do shit it seems.

I'd wait until you see more polls to that effect before deciding whether he's definitely ahead. Then again they always fluctuate up and done until around october. As it stands in the bigger picture Trump's in a piss poor position on the electoral map. Which has pretty much been the case since the election started.

 

[AN/ALR56]

A lot of Brazilian American's will vote for Trump.
Including my uncle.

 

[Brandobaris]

The modern GOP has gone completely off the deep end. I find the hypocrisy and backstabbing nature of the democrats enraging, but at the same time I know things can get far worse. Probably the top issue with me is the supreme court. The people Trump has suggested for that open seat make Scalia look downright moderate. For all the republican bitching about activist judges they go out of their way to make sure people ideologically on the far-right are involved in the courts.

From some of the articles I've read, Political Scientists have said it turned out civil libertarians were worse off in a Democrat controlled Government. Because simply when in power, they don't historically vote against bills that erode personal freedoms. Whereas in a Republican controlled Government, they tend to take a more leftist, or perhaps just oppositional stance on the voting of those types of bills.

Additionally I think the media is painting a far more rosy picture of the past 8 years of Obama, simply because he was the media supported candidate, and he aligns politically with pretty much every media outlet and corporate sponsor. In Silicon Valley he has overwhelming support. Everyone Upper Middle Class and higher would probably be fine with Clinton, she would probably simply be an extension of Obama's policies but likely more ruthless and with less subtlety in foreign policy. I suspect she may end up opening more immigration ala Merkel, because apparently every Western Government in the world seems to have a hard on for globalisation and eroding borders.

As for Trump, I don't think he is some sinister threat by himself. He has handlers, he has advisors, he has PR people. He'll probably just be Gaffe and One liner city though, in Press situations. I expect GW lite. That's not what worries me really. The press has attempted to rile up the public against him so much, and spun so many doomsday scenarios, I half expect multiple riots as people think the world is ending and America is over. He'll get no love from the press if he won, he'd be criticised and parodied and such by the media 24 hours a day I think. As if he was President on 9/11 but he flew the planes into the towers himself.

 

[Pikimon]

A lot of Brazilian American's will vote for Trump.
Including my uncle.

I'm surprised that Brazil has the infrastructure to be able to vote, I always assumed Brazilian voting consisted of bananas vs. gunfire

 

[Pikimon]

Well, Trumps more nice guy act this week has allowed him to pull ahead in the LA Times poll, especially polling higher substantially with Hispanics. And a poll that just came out an hour ago from ABC in Pennsylvania has Trump now winning Pennsylvania.

The Mainstream medias blitzkrieg didn't do shit it seems.

Well the thing about the LA Times poll is that its unique in the sense that it polls the same people throughout the election so that's less a ever evolving pulse of the electorate and more the same group people changing their minds over time.

As for Trump, I don't think he is some sinister threat by himself. He has handlers, he has advisors, he has PR people.

Which he has ignored multiple times and fired in lieu of people who will just reaffirm what he believes. I mean keep in mind that in the short time since the general election has begun, Trump has insulted nearly every group under the sun from prisoners of war to uneducated white people and has provided nothing of real policy ideas (and when he does he usually flip flops on it: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...p-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801).

And it's not like the GOP is doing any better, while Trump dominates the news the GOP has:

-Proposed to repeal the ban on political organizing by churches

http://time.com/4406567/republican-platform-johnson-amendment-churches-political-organizing/

-Proposed to get rid of all National Parks and National Forests

https://thinkprogress.org/gop-platf...ional-parks-and-national-forests-5d17bb3eee07

-Proposed the most anti-LGBT platform in history

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/gay-south-florida/article89235362.html

-Proposed to ban pornography

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-platform-draft-porn-000000329.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

-Proposed to teach the Bible in public schools

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-teaching-about-the-bible-in-public-schools/

 

[Ruin]

Fucking hell are they still trying to push the bible in school and ban porn? Evangelical Christians aren't 80% of the electorate anymore guys.

For fuck's sake even Donald Trump the patriarch of bad ideas isn't pushing prayer in schools.

 

[Shokew]

Well the thing about the LA Times poll is that its unique in the sense that it polls the same people throughout the election so that's less a ever evolving pulse of the electorate and more the same group people changing their minds over time.



Which he has ignored multiple times and fired in lieu of people who will just reaffirm what he believes. I mean keep in mind that in the short time since the general election has begun, Trump has insulted nearly every group under the sun from prisoners of war to uneducated white people and has provided nothing of real policy ideas (and when he does he usually flip flops on it).

Spoiler: Why I'll never agree with people like this. EVER.

And it's not like the GOP is doing any better, while Trump dominates the news the GOP has:

-Proposed to repeal the ban on political organizing by churches

http://time.com/4406567/republican-platform-johnson-amendment-churches-political-organizing/

-Proposed to get rid of all National Parks and National Forests

https://thinkprogress.org/gop-platf...ional-parks-and-national-forests-5d17bb3eee07

-Proposed the most anti-LGBT platform in history

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/gay-south-florida/article89235362.html

-Proposed to ban pornography

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-platform-draft-porn-000000329.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

-Proposed to teach the Bible in public schools

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-teaching-about-the-bible-in-public-schools/

Shit like this is why I cannot... No, better yet, refuse outright to support or accept anything the GOP is doing anytime soon.

Seriously - all the gay-hate and Bible-thumping just screams "Sharia Law" by a different name and religious fundamentality, for one thing to be weary of and vigilant against.

 

[Picklepower]

Fuck it, I am voting Hillary. Log Cabins, dont even try to convince me not to.

 

[Pikimon]

Shit like this is why I cannot... No, better yet, refuse outright to support or accept anything the GOP is doing anytime soon.

Seriously - all the gay-hate and Bible-thumping just screams "Sharia Law" by a different name and religious fundamentality, for one thing to be weary of and vigilant against.

Worry not, at least in foreign policy Trump has the top experts advising him, such as Michele Bachmann!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ele-bachmann-advising-trump-on-foreign-policy

 

[Shokew]

Fuck it, I am voting Hillary. Log Cabins, dont even try to convince me not to.

It's either this or Fallout IRL/Vermin Supreme for me...

Also (addressing that link...), how that Bible-thumping POS Bachmann is even relevant, besides fucking up Minnesota with her "End Times" BS confounds me, @Pikimon.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Worry not, at least in foreign policy Trump has the top experts advising him, such as Michele Bachmann!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ele-bachmann-advising-trump-on-foreign-policy

The Michele Bachmann who called The Lion King gay propaganda?
The Michele Bachmann who said Terry Schiavo was "healthy" when she was in a fucking coma?
The Michele Bachmann who thought visiting fucking Iraq was like going to the Mall Of America?
The Michele Bachmann who thought abolishing the minimum wage would get rid of unemployment?
The Michele Bachmann who took this picture?

THAT is who Trump is turning to for advice!?

We're fucked.

 

[Spellskite]

Fuck it, I am voting Hillary. Log Cabins, dont even try to convince me not to.

I wish people wouldn't act like Hillary is the only option if you don't want to vote for Trump.

 

[Brandobaris]

Just wondering when the GOP and Trump are brought up about policy concerns, it seems to be a de facto assumption that anything the GOP writes up will be passed by both houses?

The thing is, when the GOP proposes something crazy I can always rely on the Democrats in opposition to block, amend, compromise, if not out of an ethical duty, then because they model themselves as the anti-thesis of the GOP, or the "opposing sports team" as US politics seems to be. But if the Democrats are in power and they want to do something bad, the GOP appear to be fine with playing along.

I wish people wouldn't act like Hillary is the only option if you don't want to vote for Trump.

AFAIK due to the incredibly confusing electoral college, delegates, super delegates, there is almost no way for a third representative, let alone third party, to obtain the Presidency.