Animal 15 - Torturing Monkeys with Neuralink

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Through 2020, Elon Musk’s company Neuralink paid $1.4 million to the University of California, Davis, to use its facilities, where experimenters removed portions of monkeys’ skulls to implant electrodes in the animals’ brains related to the development of a “brain-machine interface.” Only in 2022, following a public records lawsuit by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, did the troubling details of these experiments begin to come to light. The company is still conducting experiments on animals at its facilities in California and Texas.
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This is the story of one monkey, “Animal 15.” She was a macaque who was about 6 years old when she was assigned to the Neuralink experiment in September 2017. In April 2018, she began “task training” where she would be restrained to a chair like the one pictured here.

UC Davis staff wrote on April 7, 2018, that Animal 15 was exhibiting poor appetite, possibly as a result of the restraint and task training.
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On June 27, staff noted that Animal 15 had a “trauma” on her left leg.
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On Oct. 6, Animal 15 and one other monkey escaped their cages. The next day, staff noted that she was “anxious post-escape,” “unwilling to move into smaller cage for feeding,” and was refusing to eat her food and her treats.
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On Oct. 31, staff observed “minor scratches on left cheek.” Then, on Nov. 9, staff noted that she had “face trauma” including an abrasion on “right side of nose/cheek just below right eye.”
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On Dec. 17, Neuralink staff drilled holes into Animal 15’s skull, removed part of her skull and skin to expose her brain, and implanted two electrodes, one in each hemisphere of her brain. The surgery lasted 5 hours.
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The following day, staff noted that Animal 15 had “excessive itching” despite being given Benadryl. She also had “mild bloody / clear discharge” near the head implants and was “picking or even pulling at right port” in her head.
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On Dec. 19, Animal 15 was “still pulling on her right port/connector” in her head. She was also “grooming & holding hands w/roommate through the cage.”
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Staff also noted that Animal 15 was “laying down at the front of the cage to hold hands with and groom visual buddy.”
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On Dec. 19, staff observed Animal 15 “head pressing,” which can be a sign of neurological impairment or head pain, possibly from the Neuralink implant. In a 10-minute period, staff observed her in “position w/head down on floor multiple times.”
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During observation, staff noted that the “animal shook her head 3 times and lost her balance, twice completely falling.” They also wrote that she “[a]ppears ataxic,” meaning she had lost coordination and balance. Staff wrote that it could have been “intracranial swelling” from the Neuralink device or procedure.
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A UC Davis veterinarian observed Animal 15 laying down and trying to “hold hands w/roommate.”
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On Dec. 21, four days after Neuralink implanted the device in he rbrain, Animal 15 was shivering, scratching, and picking and pulling at her head implant. Staff also noted she had a visible “excoriation” on her right inner leg, meaning she had been picking at it.
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Because of “pulling on implant repeatedly” and other signs of anxiety and discomfort, staff started Animal 15 on diazepam (Valium).
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On Dec. 22, Animal 15 was still observed “aggressively picking” at her incision on her head where the Neuralink device was implanted. She was also seen with “excoriations” on her face, shoulder, and neck.
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On Dec. 24, UC Davis staff wrote that Animal 15’s “face and back of head” were swollen, with her right eye “swollen halfway shut.” She was also “consistently scratching implants and picking” and was observed shaking.
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On Christmas Day 2018, Animal 15 was still seen pulling and picking at the implants and incision sites. Additionally, both her eyes were now swollen half-shut, and her right cheek appeared “more swollen than on 12/24.”
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On Dec. 26, Animal 15 was still shivering. Staff moved a heat lamp closer to her cage. Staff wrote that there was a concern “regarding a [cranial] screw in or near a muscle causing potential irritation.”
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On Dec. 27, Animal 15 was still shivering. Staff noted that her shaking was occurring “only as doors open & new personnel walk in” so this was “thought to be a stress response” to seeing lab workers.
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On Dec. 28, staff wrote again that Animal 15’s shivering was a “stress response to some personnel coming into the room or close to her.”
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On Jan. 4, 2019, staff immobilized Animal 15 with ketamine so that they could hook the implants in her head to wires and record her brain activity.
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On March 8, staff noted that Animal 15 had “cloudy discharge” near her cranial implants. She was sedated so her head implant could be cleaned. Lab tests confirmed that the implant was positive for staphylococcus as well as another type of bacterial infection.
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On March 12, Animal 15 was noted to have a “large amount of purulent [discharge]” over her left implant. She was put on antibiotics for the infected implant. Because these antibiotics can cause severe diarrhea, she was also given probiotic sandwiches.
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Over the next week, staff noted that Animal 15’s implants were still infected and she had liquid stool and a poor appetite. She was given several antibiotics. Lab staff wrote that she had “no interest in [probiotic sandwich].”
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On March 20, faced with Animal 15’s declining condition and her persistent cranial implant infection, staff scheduled her euthanasia for the following day.
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On March 21, Animal 15 was euthanized. A necropsy found that the Neuralink implants left parts of Animal 15’s brain “focally tattered,” that “remnant electrode threads” were found in her brain, and there were indications of hemorrhaging.
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Jesus Christ how horrifiying. It goes to show that there's metric tons of problems when it comes to installing metal and plastic in a fragile environment like the brain. Also, there is the hard reality that those materials will react to temperature and pressure changes too. In short, brain implants are generally a bad idea.

In Shadowrun Hong Kong, the hacker brings up an important problem about head computers. First off, they get outdated easily. Secondly, there's the actual problem of having to noodle around your brain just to install the electronic. Thirdly, said computers can be set to explode or be infected with a virus. Imagine if your headcomputer suddenly has a virus that keeps showing you ads 24-7 even in your dreams.

Braincomputers in general are a terrible idea. There are exceptions, but there's way too many disadvantages. I'm certain part of the push towards this is so they can control human behavior like a remote-controlled doll ala Alita Last Order.
 
I wonder who would sign up for the first human experiments?
Who else would voluntarily even pay to have doctors chop and drill into them to convince themselves of an illusion of reality, together with the litany of hormonal and mental issues?
 
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I wonder who would sign up for the first human experiments?
Who would voluntarily have doctors chop and drill into them to convince themselves of an illusion of reality, together with the litany of hormonal and mental issues?
My money is on troons or desperate people who need the cash. Like thirdworlders who want to support their family... by becoming a vegetable.
 
On Dec. 27, Animal 15 was still shivering. Staff noted that her shaking was occurring “only as doors open & new personnel walk in” so this was “thought to be a stress response” to seeing lab workers.
It's called fear, any sane animal would be shitting themselves after all the brutality at the hands of the workers sadists.
 
There isn’t much that separates this from just plain torture besides the recordings being made. Poor monkeys.
 
I used to work with lab mice and that was bad enoigh, even though I really just bred knockout strains together and put them down a few weeks or months later for samples. I honestly think a lot of animal experimentation borders on torture and it shouldn’t happen at all.
Besides, IMO you’ll never manage this with exogenous implants, Elon - you have to grow it in situ. I don’t understand why these guys don’t ‘get’ that. Then I remember they’re computer people not biology people, and they’re trying to make people work with wires and hardware. Until it’s made of brain matter, it won’t work
Macaques are sentient, possibly sapient beings. Poor things
 
It goes to show that there's metric tons of problems when it comes to installing metal and plastic in a fragile environment like the brain.
Was this ever in question? This line of research will necessarily have a icky and horrifying start as through trial and error (probably lots of errors) because there isn't much of an existing knowledge base to draw on as to what not to do.

I wonder who would sign up for the first human experiments?
I would imagine the first people willing to have their heads cut open to put microchips in are those who don't have much to lose... so probably cripples. If you're crippled from the neck down and someone offers you the opportunity to get at least a little bit of independence back (even if it means just being able to turn the TV on or off or pull up a video on netflix) you'd probably be willing to do it because death might not be that frightening to you.

Then I remember they’re computer people not biology people, and they’re trying to make people work with wires and hardware. Until it’s made of brain matter, it won’t work
That is the massive hurdle that needs to be covered, the two way interconnectivity between meat and machine.
Currently these electrodes are just fancy sensors that are intended to pick up on activity in the brain. The reason they're implanted under the skull is to get better readings. But that limits what can be done.

For example (and this is a 6 year old video and we're still trying to figure out how to do this properly)

The fanciful sci-fi applications always seem to be related not to reading the activity of the brain put inducing it, essentially inputting data. A more comprehensive understanding of neurology and biology will be necessary and whatever means they find to do it would be a lot different then a sensor stuck into your brain matter.
 
Jesus Christ how horrifiying. It goes to show that there's metric tons of problems when it comes to installing metal and plastic in a fragile environment like the brain. Also, there is the hard reality that those materials will react to temperature and pressure changes too. In short, brain implants are generally a bad idea.

In Shadowrun Hong Kong, the hacker brings up an important problem about head computers. First off, they get outdated easily. Secondly, there's the actual problem of having to noodle around your brain just to install the electronic. Thirdly, said computers can be set to explode or be infected with a virus. Imagine if your headcomputer suddenly has a virus that keeps showing you ads 24-7 even in your dreams.

Braincomputers in general are a terrible idea. There are exceptions, but there's way too many disadvantages. I'm certain part of the push towards this is so they can control human behavior like a remote-controlled doll ala Alita Last Order.

That is the massive hurdle that needs to be covered, the two way interconnectivity between meat and machine.
Currently these electrodes are just fancy sensors that are intended to pick up on activity in the brain. The reason they're implanted under the skull is to get better readings. But that limits what can be done.

In Deus Ex Human Revolution you can find terminals and lore bits where it is explained that the interfaces between augmentations and your body are susceptible to fail due to Glial Scarring. Glia are neuron and nerve cells that don't actually transport electrical impulses but serve as a sort of "infrastructure" holding the important signal carrying cells in place and such.

The interface between the augs and the body is unnatural and the body cannot recognize it as benign so over time it tries to heal it. They can make the connections inert with stuff like titanium and silver and special alloys which they body can deal with and just build around but the actual nerves? They don't accept it. The connection points end up accumulating glial cells as the body tries to scar and heal it, and it causes the augs to fail. That is why every augment in the game keeps taking Neuroprazine, to stop it happening and them just shutting down. How convenient isn't it? You need to not only give up your body parts but sign in for a forever medication that only one source can produce and take it forever or end up having your new shiny metal fall off your body. (This is also one of the reasons why in the og Deus Ex you only have two mechanical augments and J.C. is such a big deal: All the mecha guys are either dead or fell apart, and nanotech doesn't have the issues of it as it can just clean up the scar build up)

Oh and of course later on one of the antagonists hacks the BMIs on augmented people to cause them to go into extreme panic, paranoia and hallucinationatory state like a really bad bath salts overdose. Some 60 million people had the chip on them when it happened. Wasn't pretty.

I like the idea of transhumanism. I like the idea of replacing my frail flesh with superior steel. But I know damn well how dangerous of a proposition that is, and have done enough research into the subject to know exactly how dangerous of a path this is. It isn't something that should be taken lightly, and much less something where you should trust anyone but yourself and maybe the closest of your confidants. We have all seen what men do to obtain power when it is thing as harmless as computer software and hardware, imagine what these sort of would-be Kings would do if they could DRM your own body against you?
 
Yeah this really seems like they just needlessly tortured a monkey to death. I'm not even in this field but by like the 7th or 8th entry it was kinda obvious the chip wasn't working and the thing was just suffering.
 
Poor macaques, no animal should go thru this....................except pitbulls.

I would shove an old Pentium into a pitbull's brain for no reason.
A necropsy found that the Neuralink implants left parts of Animal 15’s brain “focally tattered,” that “remnant electrode threads” were found in her brain, and there were indications of hemorrhaging.
I never ever getting fucking wires into my brain unless I was going to die anyway and its the only solution.

And even then I might rather just get canadian medicine.
Nice, nice, very horrifying. Now let's see Bill Gates Horrors beyond human comprehension.
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you have to grow it in situ.
You mean on an embryo? or talking some kind of biological wire instead of metal?
Macaques are sentient
Apparently so are some ant species, guess those buddhists walking with a broom were right.
 
It kept holding hands with other monkeys for comfort. Going to go get a drink now. Make mine a double.
 
Jesus Christ how horrifiying. It goes to show that there's metric tons of problems when it comes to installing metal and plastic in a fragile environment like the brain. Also, there is the hard reality that those materials will react to temperature and pressure changes too. In short, brain implants are generally a bad idea.

In Shadowrun Hong Kong, the hacker brings up an important problem about head computers. First off, they get outdated easily. Secondly, there's the actual problem of having to noodle around your brain just to install the electronic. Thirdly, said computers can be set to explode or be infected with a virus. Imagine if your headcomputer suddenly has a virus that keeps showing you ads 24-7 even in your dreams.

Braincomputers in general are a terrible idea. There are exceptions, but there's way too many disadvantages. I'm certain part of the push towards this is so they can control human behavior like a remote-controlled doll ala Alita Last Order.
Shadowrun was the patrician's cyberpunk. Way better than the junk we got from CDPR at 1% of it's budget.
 
How the fuck can you people get so worked up about literal monkeys being tortured and yet hate your fellow men so intensely??
 
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