Animal 15 - Torturing Monkeys with Neuralink

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Through 2020, Elon Musk’s company Neuralink paid $1.4 million to the University of California, Davis, to use its facilities, where experimenters removed portions of monkeys’ skulls to implant electrodes in the animals’ brains related to the development of a “brain-machine interface.” Only in 2022, following a public records lawsuit by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, did the troubling details of these experiments begin to come to light. The company is still conducting experiments on animals at its facilities in California and Texas.
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This is the story of one monkey, “Animal 15.” She was a macaque who was about 6 years old when she was assigned to the Neuralink experiment in September 2017. In April 2018, she began “task training” where she would be restrained to a chair like the one pictured here.

UC Davis staff wrote on April 7, 2018, that Animal 15 was exhibiting poor appetite, possibly as a result of the restraint and task training.
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On June 27, staff noted that Animal 15 had a “trauma” on her left leg.
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On Oct. 6, Animal 15 and one other monkey escaped their cages. The next day, staff noted that she was “anxious post-escape,” “unwilling to move into smaller cage for feeding,” and was refusing to eat her food and her treats.
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On Oct. 31, staff observed “minor scratches on left cheek.” Then, on Nov. 9, staff noted that she had “face trauma” including an abrasion on “right side of nose/cheek just below right eye.”
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On Dec. 17, Neuralink staff drilled holes into Animal 15’s skull, removed part of her skull and skin to expose her brain, and implanted two electrodes, one in each hemisphere of her brain. The surgery lasted 5 hours.
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The following day, staff noted that Animal 15 had “excessive itching” despite being given Benadryl. She also had “mild bloody / clear discharge” near the head implants and was “picking or even pulling at right port” in her head.
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On Dec. 19, Animal 15 was “still pulling on her right port/connector” in her head. She was also “grooming & holding hands w/roommate through the cage.”
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Staff also noted that Animal 15 was “laying down at the front of the cage to hold hands with and groom visual buddy.”
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On Dec. 19, staff observed Animal 15 “head pressing,” which can be a sign of neurological impairment or head pain, possibly from the Neuralink implant. In a 10-minute period, staff observed her in “position w/head down on floor multiple times.”
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During observation, staff noted that the “animal shook her head 3 times and lost her balance, twice completely falling.” They also wrote that she “[a]ppears ataxic,” meaning she had lost coordination and balance. Staff wrote that it could have been “intracranial swelling” from the Neuralink device or procedure.
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A UC Davis veterinarian observed Animal 15 laying down and trying to “hold hands w/roommate.”
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On Dec. 21, four days after Neuralink implanted the device in he rbrain, Animal 15 was shivering, scratching, and picking and pulling at her head implant. Staff also noted she had a visible “excoriation” on her right inner leg, meaning she had been picking at it.
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Because of “pulling on implant repeatedly” and other signs of anxiety and discomfort, staff started Animal 15 on diazepam (Valium).
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On Dec. 22, Animal 15 was still observed “aggressively picking” at her incision on her head where the Neuralink device was implanted. She was also seen with “excoriations” on her face, shoulder, and neck.
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On Dec. 24, UC Davis staff wrote that Animal 15’s “face and back of head” were swollen, with her right eye “swollen halfway shut.” She was also “consistently scratching implants and picking” and was observed shaking.
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On Christmas Day 2018, Animal 15 was still seen pulling and picking at the implants and incision sites. Additionally, both her eyes were now swollen half-shut, and her right cheek appeared “more swollen than on 12/24.”
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On Dec. 26, Animal 15 was still shivering. Staff moved a heat lamp closer to her cage. Staff wrote that there was a concern “regarding a [cranial] screw in or near a muscle causing potential irritation.”
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On Dec. 27, Animal 15 was still shivering. Staff noted that her shaking was occurring “only as doors open & new personnel walk in” so this was “thought to be a stress response” to seeing lab workers.
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On Dec. 28, staff wrote again that Animal 15’s shivering was a “stress response to some personnel coming into the room or close to her.”
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On Jan. 4, 2019, staff immobilized Animal 15 with ketamine so that they could hook the implants in her head to wires and record her brain activity.
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On March 8, staff noted that Animal 15 had “cloudy discharge” near her cranial implants. She was sedated so her head implant could be cleaned. Lab tests confirmed that the implant was positive for staphylococcus as well as another type of bacterial infection.
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On March 12, Animal 15 was noted to have a “large amount of purulent [discharge]” over her left implant. She was put on antibiotics for the infected implant. Because these antibiotics can cause severe diarrhea, she was also given probiotic sandwiches.
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Over the next week, staff noted that Animal 15’s implants were still infected and she had liquid stool and a poor appetite. She was given several antibiotics. Lab staff wrote that she had “no interest in [probiotic sandwich].”
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On March 20, faced with Animal 15’s declining condition and her persistent cranial implant infection, staff scheduled her euthanasia for the following day.
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On March 21, Animal 15 was euthanized. A necropsy found that the Neuralink implants left parts of Animal 15’s brain “focally tattered,” that “remnant electrode threads” were found in her brain, and there were indications of hemorrhaging.
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How the fuck can you people get so worked up about literal monkeys being tortured and yet hate your fellow men so intensely??
I dislike monkeys as animals strongly, they're one of my least favorite subgroups of wild animals - but I've never met an actual monkey who tried to pull half the shit on me that other people have.
 
How the fuck can you people get so worked up about literal monkeys being tortured and yet hate your fellow men so intensely??
I would say people feel more sympathy for animals than other people because we recognize a greater capacity for intentional cruelty in other people than in animals - such as slowly torturing a monkey to death in the name of “science.”

That being said, I wouldn’t wish what this monkey went through on anyone.
 
You mean on an embryo? or talking some kind of biological wire instead of metal?
Not on an embryo, if you want to wires in the brain then actual wires, evens at the tiny width they are are catastrophic. I don’t know if you’ve ever poked/touched a real brain but they’re like rubbery soft cheese or blancmange. Anything that struts it up is a disaster. Think about all those delicate neurons being sheared. Imagine creating a room filled with trillions of delicate threads from wall to wall/ceiling. Now imagine shoving a ninja waving sharpened sword into the room.
My opinion: If you want to create a structure within the brain you have to grow it. You could probably have a hybrid structure sat under the skull but anything that goes into the brain has to be organic and self assembling. You need to be able to have tiny filaments growing out from your under skull thingy to target the correct areas. Anything else will do too much damage. The brain is suspended in the skull with an incredible amount of suport and fluid cushioning but still, concussion and TBIs shear neurons simply throigh internal movement. Shove a metallic device in there and have a small car accident or come off your bike and the mess is considerable.
It has to be partially organic and I do t understand why they don’t do this, maybe they’re too computer focused or maybe it’s ‘dude cyberpunk.’
How the fuck can you people get so worked up about literal monkeys being tortured and yet hate your fellow men so intensely??
Intention and power. Man has power and is capable of cruelty. Those people, I hate. Monkey is just some random innocent macaque. It’s never put a picture of itself getting off to a sexual fetish on the floor of Gatwick disabled toilets on social media. It’s a being without power. The people for turning the monkey are excercisinv their power over it. They do over society as well, and I hate them for it
 
he's basically trying to be neo from the matrix with those chairs that stab you in the head.
he was cosplaying matrix shit to back that up
 
With any luck the brain implant studies go horribly right and one of these monkeys here acquires enough intelligence to take revenge against her creators.
 
Eh, I support animal testing, I dislike niggers filming monkeys for sexual gratification but those animals are being used in medical research, doesn't matter if it's evil elon doing it.
If that shit helps a single kid walk or delay the onset of Alzheimer for a single old guy then it's worth the sacrifice of a million lesser beings.
 
Is it wrong of me to both recognize that wow this is pretty fucked up, and also recognize that this is probably worth it in the long run? While I think the kinds of people who want this shit voluntarily put into a healthy body are pretty stupid, a BMI is an incredibly useful tool for digitized prosthetics and/or even bypassing spinal injuries. I'm not gonna pretend that I wouldn't strangle a thousand monkeys with my bare hands if it meant I could walk again if I was crippled. Barring a sudden breakthrough in the stimulation and regrowth of neural tissues, machine interfaces are the best of the worst option among a slew of terrible ones.

I also agree that the current neural interface tech is probably flawed, and there's probably a lot of room for improvement, and we might be barking up what is ultimately the wrong tree entirely. We're still learning a lot of interesting and useful information around neural signalling, healing, mapping activity to motion and intent, and that's useful regardless of what path we ultimately take. But that's the history of most of the medical field, and the brain is very much an unknown quantity - there's a lot about it that we don't really know until we try, and this is what trying looks like. Its pretty fucked up, but the alternative is doing it to people, and I'd rather not take advantage of the desperation of the handicapped to push human testing to be done too early.
 
Eh, I support animal testing,
Is it wrong of me to both recognize that wow this is pretty fucked up, and also recognize that this is probably worth it in the long run?

I think even if you look past the suffering of the monke here as a one off, the report shows some worrying lack of standards and care on the testing being done.

They didn't really help the macaque get better and heal, there doesn't seem to have been attempts at reducing the stress of the poor thing and help it relax so the testing could be done better. The fact the monkey was scratching and picking at the injury should have been analyzed to tell if this was just stress or a sign of something else. And of course given the fact it died of a strap infection in the brain it looks like someone fucked up getting the implant clean for install which is pretty fucking worrying.

The big sin here is that they killed this monkey and didn't even have the decency to have it's death be scientifically useful. Which is why I would consider this far closer to torture than science testing.
 
I would say people feel more sympathy for animals than other people because we recognize a greater capacity for intentional cruelty in other people than in animals - such as slowly torturing a monkey to death in the name of “science.”

That being said, I wouldn’t wish what this monkey went through on anyone.
More like monke is not a moral actor and therefore innocent of its circumstances in a way humans are not. But I also would prefer not to have halfassed neural implants installed in @l1ttlest4rch. What if they worked and made him smarter? that would be tragic.
Intention and power. Man has power and is capable of cruelty. Those people, I hate. Monkey is just some random innocent macaque. It’s never put a picture of itself getting off to a sexual fetish on the floor of Gatwick disabled toilets on social media. It’s a being without power. The people for turning the monkey are excercisinv their power over it. They do over society as well, and I hate them for it
It is pretty sociopathic and pathological, now that I think it over.
Is it wrong of me to both recognize that wow this is pretty fucked up, and also recognize that this is probably worth it in the long run? While I think the kinds of people who want this shit voluntarily put into a healthy body are pretty stupid, a BMI is an incredibly useful tool for digitized prosthetics and/or even bypassing spinal injuries. I'm not gonna pretend that I wouldn't strangle a thousand monkeys with my bare hands if it meant I could walk again if I was crippled. Barring a sudden breakthrough in the stimulation and regrowth of neural tissues, machine interfaces are the best of the worst option among a slew of terrible ones.

I also agree that the current neural interface tech is probably flawed, and there's probably a lot of room for improvement, and we might be barking up what is ultimately the wrong tree entirely. We're still learning a lot of interesting and useful information around neural signalling, healing, mapping activity to motion and intent, and that's useful regardless of what path we ultimately take. But that's the history of most of the medical field, and the brain is very much an unknown quantity - there's a lot about it that we don't really know until we try, and this is what trying looks like. Its pretty fucked up, but the alternative is doing it to people, and I'd rather not take advantage of the desperation of the handicapped to push human testing to be done too early.
No. Newton says he stood upon the shoulders of giants, but modern biology and medicine stand upon the shoulders of trillions of kg of plastic waste and dead animals. (And a few dead people... google Henrietta Lacks.) Every innovation needs a proving ground. If I were queen for a day I would commission a memorial to the sacrificed lab animals.
They didn't really help the macaque get better and heal, there doesn't seem to have been attempts at reducing the stress of the poor thing and help it relax so the testing could be done better. The fact the monkey was scratching and picking at the injury should have been analyzed to tell if this was just stress or a sign of something else. And of course given the fact it died of a strap infection in the brain it looks like someone fucked up getting the implant clean for install which is pretty fucking worrying.

The big sin here is that they killed this monkey and didn't even have the decency to have it's death be scientifically useful. Which is why I would consider this far closer to torture than science testing
Yes. monkeys are actually pretty expensive research assets. I'm surprised the lab was so laizzes faire about this one.
 
Jesus Christ how horrifiying. It goes to show that there's metric tons of problems when it comes to installing metal and plastic in a fragile environment like the brain. Also, there is the hard reality that those materials will react to temperature and pressure changes too. In short, brain implants are generally a bad idea.

In Shadowrun Hong Kong, the hacker brings up an important problem about head computers. First off, they get outdated easily. Secondly, there's the actual problem of having to noodle around your brain just to install the electronic. Thirdly, said computers can be set to explode or be infected with a virus. Imagine if your headcomputer suddenly has a virus that keeps showing you ads 24-7 even in your dreams.

Braincomputers in general are a terrible idea. There are exceptions, but there's way too many disadvantages. I'm certain part of the push towards this is so they can control human behavior like a remote-controlled doll ala Alita Last Order.
That's not a virus, that's the whole plan. To make it impossible for the average person to escape ads, even in their own minds. We must turn the entire planet into consoomers at all costs.

This shit is worse than 1984, Brave New World, the worst aspects of cyberpunk, etc. and we're hurtling towards it at break neck speeds.

There's a reason that the rogues of cyberpunk who hate society's rules and laws are the protagonists. Because if this is how society is going to end out, the rebel path truly is the best option.
 
Animal experimentation, cruelty, and morality issues aside, didn't the NIH torture some dogs (cut their vocal cords, infest them with ticks, etc) and blast some monkeys with super soundwaves for days at a time?

So I'm sort of interested to see how far this particular instance of animal abuse gets pushed in the headlines considering the perpetrators this time as opposed to past assholes.
 
Animal experimentation, cruelty, and morality issues aside, didn't the NIH torture some dogs (cut their vocal cords, infest them with ticks, etc) and blast some monkeys with super soundwaves for days at a time?

So I'm sort of interested to see how far this particular instance of animal abuse gets pushed in the headlines considering the perpetrators this time as opposed to past assholes.
The whole thing gives me Silver Springs Monkeys vibes, but just fast-forwarded to the present day.
But also. My dad got in a car crash in '87. Lucky for me, he got top quality medical care to preserve his neural function, and he came out pretty much at %98 previous ability. But the only way the doctors would have known what to do with him is cause of these horrifying monkey experiments.
*sigh* Sometimes I wish lobster experiments would be sufficient. I just offed 9 of those for dinner w my MIL and it doesn't bother me in the least.
 
Not on an embryo, if you want to wires in the brain then actual wires, evens at the tiny width they are are catastrophic. I don’t know if you’ve ever poked/touched a real brain but they’re like rubbery soft cheese or blancmange. Anything that struts it up is a disaster. Think about all those delicate neurons being sheared. Imagine creating a room filled with trillions of delicate threads from wall to wall/ceiling. Now imagine shoving a ninja waving sharpened sword into the room.
My opinion: If you want to create a structure within the brain you have to grow it. You could probably have a hybrid structure sat under the skull but anything that goes into the brain has to be organic and self assembling. You need to be able to have tiny filaments growing out from your under skull thingy to target the correct areas. Anything else will do too much damage. The brain is suspended in the skull with an incredible amount of suport and fluid cushioning but still, concussion and TBIs shear neurons simply throigh internal movement. Shove a metallic device in there and have a small car accident or come off your bike and the mess is considerable.
Would some more distal nerve be able to withstand the rigors of an implant? The optic nerve, maybe? Or nerves in the appendages? I think the way around it will be an implant that can transceive with the brain wirelessly.
 
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