EU Germany considers ban on far-Right AfD - Call to 'defend democracy' as party surges to 21% in opinion polls

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Germany is debating whether to ban the far-Right Alternative for Germany (AfD) as the party surges to 21 per cent in the polls, amid warnings from intelligence officials that its members are becoming increasingly extreme.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German president, warned in a speech to the country’s domestic intelligence agency that “we all have it in our hands to put those who despise our democracy in their place”.

His speech at the castle where the German post-war constitution was created has widely been seen as support for a ban after Thomas Haldenwang, the domestic spy chief, warned about growing Right-wing extremist influence in the party.

Mr Haldenwang said: “We see a considerable number of protagonists in this party that spread hate against all types of minorities here in Germany.”

It comes amid warnings of the increasing influence of Björn Höcke, the leader of the AfD in the eastern state of Thuringia.

Mr Höcke, a former history teacher, is known for his Hitler-esque language – with his allies sweeping the board for European lists at the party’s conference in Magdeburg in August.

In a rare move, the respected Der Spiegel news magazine weighed into the debate with a leader titled: “Ban the enemies of the constitution!”

It warned that “the AfD has become more and more radicalised. It’s time to defend democracy with better weapons”.

The co-leader of Olaf Scholz’s ruling Social Democrats also said a ban should be considered if the AfD is categorised as a group of “proven Right-wing extremists” by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.

However Friedrich Merz, the leader of the Christian Democratic Union, warned that “banning parties has never actually solved political problems”.

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Meanwhile, the German Institute for Human Rights, a non-governmental organisation, declared last week that “the AfD have reached a degree of dangerousness that they can be banned according to the constitution”.

They warned in an analysis that the party is actively and methodically trying “to implement its racist and Right-wing extremist goals” and “shifting the limits of what can be said so that people can get used to their ethno-nationalist positions”.

Germany has a troubled history of parties being banned, with Otto von Bismarck, the country’s first chancellor, banning the Social Democrats for disloyalty to the Kaiser.

When the Nazis came to power, they banned all other parties.

The German Democratic Republic (East Germany) also banned other parties not affiliated with the ruling Socialist Unity Party.

The post-war German constitution, keen to avoid this authoritarian excess, made a party ban legally difficult. Attempts to ban the neo-nazi NPD party in 2003 and 2017 both failed at the highest court.

Volker Boehme-Nessler, a political scientist, said he does not believe the party meets the high legal hurdles for a ban.

He warned that a failed attempt would only give the AfD an additional boost in the election campaign, he told eastern German broadcaster MDR.

“You can’t simply ban a party that gets 20-30 per cent approval” in various states, he added.

Germans are evenly split on whether the party should be banned, with 47 per cent of the country in favour of a ban and 47 per cent against.

A ban is more popular in the west and among liberal Greens.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/ (Archive)
 
Yes because censoring and banning political opposition will surely make people
who vote for them magically change positions and want to worship nigger muzzies.

It totally won't make them lean even more extreme after proving the point that
you want censored/conditioned at best and dead at worst.
 
You can kill the party, but not the idea. They'll just end up forming some new party under a new name.
And next time they'll ban them after they hit 10% and remove voting rights for anyone who supported them.
Do not underestimate the pants shitting going on in parts of Europe at the moment. When they get the new Hitler it isn't going to be just a single populist movement in one country, it's more likely to be someone taking over the EU as a whole.
These methods won't stop that. They'll just make it look even more justified. Won't stop Germany trying to ban voting for it.
 
That's Globohomo for ya. They're more worried about what they believe the "far Right" might potentially do, instead of what their pet Magic Brown People are currently doing.
 
Democracy is when the U.S. Dept of State supports your government, and they definitely don't support any government that limits immigration or buttsex.
 
That 21% will soon become 31% or higher, thanks to these morons who think that banning things will stop them from being an issue.

'We banned Guns in the UK, we am smart' - no, you can buy guns illegally either IRL or via the Dark Web, oh and people still die in Bongland because of shooty-shooties.

This is akin to the Meme of 'everybody I don't like is literally Hitler.'

A good song too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY&ab_channel=RustyCage
 
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Letting in shitskins pushed Germany over the edge. Your "democracy" has about 9 minutes left.

This isn't the Sozialistiche Reichspartei, this isn't brand new democracy 1949, there is broad support for the AFD and they could be a close second place in the next elections. There is a term for this: cheating.

Germany has had 2 putsch scares in the last year, if they ban the AFD, there will be widespread support for regime change in a nation already scrambling to deperson kids etching swastikas into school desks. This is an identical scenario to the Weimar Republic, all they are missing is food shortages and Zimbabwe style inflation.

If they try and fail to ban the AFD, you can bet your ass their support will skyrocket. Persecution and martyrdom always help campaigns.
 
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Hang on. 21% of people want to vote for them. And you’re banning them for democracy? Explain the contradiction of banning someone people want to democratically vote for

an attempt at a serious formulation: liberals (not used here as a pejorative) believe the AfD's beliefs are immoral. as they see it, the members of the AfD believe these things because they are immoral people. however, the German general public must largely be moral due to their support for the current leaders, and therefore cannot all be casually dismissed as inscrutable monsters. sure, a small part of society consists of unredeemables - this explains the AfD's baseline support - but the AfD's growing support, despite their obviously immoral and unacceptable beliefs, which are now being increasingly supported by the presumably moral members of society, can only be the result of some kind of brainwashing or rhetorical trickery. in essence, the liberals believe AfD is tricking people into supporting them through misinformation or other forms of brainhacking, and therefore, in order to protect the morality and integrity of the German state, as well as the fragile minds of the public, they must be stamped out by any means necessary. this is not antidemocratic because the AfD's support is not democratically legitimate. censuring them, therefore, is an act in defense of legitimate democracy.
 
an attempt at a serious formulation: liberals (not used here as a pejorative) believe the AfD's beliefs are immoral. as they see it, the members of the AfD believe these things because they are immoral people. however, the German general public must largely be moral due to their support for the current leaders, and therefore cannot all be casually dismissed as inscrutable monsters. sure, a small part of society consists of unredeemables - this explains the AfD's baseline support - but the AfD's growing support, despite their obviously immoral and unacceptable beliefs, which are now being increasingly supported by the presumably moral members of society, can only be the result of some kind of brainwashing or rhetorical trickery. in essence, the liberals believe AfD is tricking people into supporting them through misinformation or other forms of brainhacking, and therefore, in order to protect the morality and integrity of the German state, as well as the fragile minds of the public, they must be stamped out by any means necessary. this is not antidemocratic because the AfD's support is not democratically legitimate. censuring them, therefore, is an act in defense of legitimate democracy.
Your remark is as horrifying as it is logically consistent, and I hate you for making it as a result. Doesn't stop it from being the most likely answer though, at least for those who are high on their own farts versus those just in it for power.
 
Silly otter, it's the wrong democracy they support!

It's why Europe is pretty much doomed, only social globohomo democrats of different degress are allowed in euro politics and if anything that doesn't fall lockstep into that comes up, it will be crushed.
Depends on what part of Europe you’re talking about.
 
The AFD isn't even that right wing. They are barely centrist by the standards of most people in the west held as little as 20 years ago. 15 years ago they would have been simple center.

This is complete madness. They are desperate because the AFD wants the slightest level of control when it comes to migration to Germany, and most basic of checks to stop welfare queens, and a actual attempt at improving the lives of regular germans.

It's insane talking to people online, especially germans, and seeing their minds simply shut down and declare the AFD are literally nazis. There is never even a argument, not even the sort of desperate slander you would see with Trump when it comes to US Politics. It's just a fact and so self evident a example isn't needed to them.
 
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