EU Germany considers ban on far-Right AfD - Call to 'defend democracy' as party surges to 21% in opinion polls

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Germany is debating whether to ban the far-Right Alternative for Germany (AfD) as the party surges to 21 per cent in the polls, amid warnings from intelligence officials that its members are becoming increasingly extreme.

Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German president, warned in a speech to the country’s domestic intelligence agency that “we all have it in our hands to put those who despise our democracy in their place”.

His speech at the castle where the German post-war constitution was created has widely been seen as support for a ban after Thomas Haldenwang, the domestic spy chief, warned about growing Right-wing extremist influence in the party.

Mr Haldenwang said: “We see a considerable number of protagonists in this party that spread hate against all types of minorities here in Germany.”

It comes amid warnings of the increasing influence of Björn Höcke, the leader of the AfD in the eastern state of Thuringia.

Mr Höcke, a former history teacher, is known for his Hitler-esque language – with his allies sweeping the board for European lists at the party’s conference in Magdeburg in August.

In a rare move, the respected Der Spiegel news magazine weighed into the debate with a leader titled: “Ban the enemies of the constitution!”

It warned that “the AfD has become more and more radicalised. It’s time to defend democracy with better weapons”.

The co-leader of Olaf Scholz’s ruling Social Democrats also said a ban should be considered if the AfD is categorised as a group of “proven Right-wing extremists” by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.

However Friedrich Merz, the leader of the Christian Democratic Union, warned that “banning parties has never actually solved political problems”.

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Meanwhile, the German Institute for Human Rights, a non-governmental organisation, declared last week that “the AfD have reached a degree of dangerousness that they can be banned according to the constitution”.

They warned in an analysis that the party is actively and methodically trying “to implement its racist and Right-wing extremist goals” and “shifting the limits of what can be said so that people can get used to their ethno-nationalist positions”.

Germany has a troubled history of parties being banned, with Otto von Bismarck, the country’s first chancellor, banning the Social Democrats for disloyalty to the Kaiser.

When the Nazis came to power, they banned all other parties.

The German Democratic Republic (East Germany) also banned other parties not affiliated with the ruling Socialist Unity Party.

The post-war German constitution, keen to avoid this authoritarian excess, made a party ban legally difficult. Attempts to ban the neo-nazi NPD party in 2003 and 2017 both failed at the highest court.

Volker Boehme-Nessler, a political scientist, said he does not believe the party meets the high legal hurdles for a ban.

He warned that a failed attempt would only give the AfD an additional boost in the election campaign, he told eastern German broadcaster MDR.

“You can’t simply ban a party that gets 20-30 per cent approval” in various states, he added.

Germans are evenly split on whether the party should be banned, with 47 per cent of the country in favour of a ban and 47 per cent against.

A ban is more popular in the west and among liberal Greens.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/ (Archive)
 
The most controversial position the AFD holds is that importing niggers en masse is not a good idea.

These are not refugees, they are replacements for the population. How do you rationalize that London or Berlin becoming minority European in only a decade is not replacement? Virtually in the blink of an eye nations that used to be 95% or more white are now 80% or 60% white. London was always a "diverse" city after 1900-something thanks to the British Empire and laws permitting transient stay for work or study, but that was all it ever was: transient. It was small numbers of culturally compatible ethnicities visiting for temporary stay. Hundreds of thousands of niggers coming from Niger to stay in London permanently, never learning English, and building mosques is not a transient stay, it's population replacement.

You would have to be a retard to not see and believe the replacement theory, because it's not a theory. They openly admit it.


Demanding the indiginous population retain control of the reins of state is apparently being a Nazi now. They're always correct in the wrong way.




Maybe the art school dropout was on to something?
 
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What a peculiar news article.

This article contains literally no information whatsoever on the actual right-wing positions held by this party that makes it worthy of moral condemnation or being banned from ballots.

Wouldn't that be a very important piece of information for any citizen seeking to become informed, regardless of whether they consider themselves left-wing or right? This is clearly not journalism, which exists to inform so that people can reach their own conclusions. It is propaganda, and only one conclusion is permitted.

Because such positions don't exist. The AFD is made up of centrists and has a lot of people who think Trump is far right. They are literally a 2008 European Center party.
 
this is germany not america. they have higher trust in draconian governments.
That applies to most of Europe. They love daddy goverment and see nothing wrong with how bloated it is. The moment something is disliked the immediate request is to make it illegal. It's absolutely exhausting holding any sort of classic liberal mindframe in Europe.
 
How fucking Orwellian does your government have to be to just outright give someone the title of "Domestic Spy Chief"
Did you forget merkel was an ex-stasi agent? how many times did germans vote for her again?
 
Haha yeah if you ban them people will have to LIKE your retarded policies! That'll show everyone. Now I might be wrong, but I doubt the AfD is Hitler's second coming. It's always pretty cringe to see people shitting their pants over this party.
Not surprised that a ban would be most popular amongst "liberal Greens", those people would also like to ban me for calling troons men.

How fucking Orwellian does your government have to be to just outright give someone the title of "Domestic Spy Chief"
Might be a weird translation or whoever wrote the article decided to call him that but he is the president of the Verfassungsschutz which means Protection of the Constitution, not "domestic spies". They're the federal intelligence agency, I guess they might be mostly spying on people like Reichsbürger (they don't accept the current German republic and say it's not legit and want the German Reich back).
 
There's no hard evidence that Merkel was even a Stasi informant, let alone an agent. A bunch of stuff suggests that data on her may have been partially destroyed before reunification, but it's all pretty vague. This is a good dive into the topic if you can read German.
 
its members are becoming increasingly extreme.
I'm sure outright banning them will chill them out, totally...

All the way back to the atheism+ shitstorm over a decade ago its been clear that banning people from the discussion will only drive them deeper into extremism. The fact afd acts like this is because more moderate right-wingers have already been told they are wrongthinkers.
Explain the contradiction of banning someone people want to democratically vote for
"No you see we've to ban them else they could ban us!".

If anything after the total wimpy nothingburger the trump and bolsonaro admins was nobody should be scared of these guys.
an apathetic and uneducated population
Apathetic sure, uneducated? buddy we're the country where some people think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.
lets far left lunatics march through their institutions. Its a warning to America for what could be.
Our lefties have been taking over our institutions since the 50's, we're way further down the hole than they are.
 
I don`t think that any political change in Europe will happen by voting on right wing parties, for every law that goes in effect, there will be a loony liberal judge blocking it making governing the nation impossible. I think we should get the man with the funny mustache again.
 
"We're banning your alternative political party."
"For what?"
"Providing an alternative."

I remember watching a video by a g*rman on german political parties, and this was literally the complaint he made about the AFD. "When they started people were excited they might be a alternative but it was quickly shown they were not a good idea." I saw the same faggot fight in the comments about them being Nazis, and never provide a source. You would think a nation where even drawing swastikas on toilet stalls gets a police investigation would have records if a opposition party had a literal neonazi or a neonazi incident, but nope!

A bunch of stuff suggests that data on her may have been partially destroyed before reunification, but it's all pretty vague.

Sounds like she was a low level agent and her files got the shredder.
 
Haha yeah if you ban them people will have to LIKE your retarded policies! That'll show everyone. Now I might be wrong, but I doubt the AfD is Hitler's second coming. It's always pretty cringe to see people shitting their pants over this party.
Not surprised that a ban would be most popular amongst "liberal Greens", those people would also like to ban me for calling troons men.


Might be a weird translation or whoever wrote the article decided to call him that but he is the president of the Verfassungsschutz which means Protection of the Constitution, not "domestic spies". They're the federal intelligence agency, I guess they might be mostly spying on people like Reichsbürger (they don't accept the current German republic and say it's not legit and want the German Reich back).
And he protects the constitution by spying on citizens and residents the government has decided are a threat to the constitution
 
Doesn’t Germany have an actual Nazi party still? Maybe they are t officially recognized but they have one. You’d think they would want to ban the actual Nazis.
 
The most controversial position the AFD holds is that importing niggers en masse is not a good idea.

These are not refugees, they are replacements for the population. How do you rationalize that London or Berlin becoming minority European in only a decade is not replacement? Virtually in the blink of an eye nations that used to be 95% or more white are now 80% or 60% white. London was always a "diverse" city after 1900-something thanks to the British Empire and laws permitting transient stay for work or study, but that was all it ever was: transient. It was small numbers of culturally compatible ethnicities visiting for temporary stay. Hundreds of thousands of niggers coming from Niger to stay in London permanently, never learning English, and building mosques is not a transient stay, it's population replacement.

You would have to be a retard to not see and believe the replacement theory, because it's not a theory. They openly admit it.
YES. IT IS ABOUT RACE.mp4

Demanding the indiginous population retain control of the reins of state is apparently being a Nazi now. They're always correct in the wrong way.


Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of Christian European ethnic societies.mp4

Maybe the art school dropout was on to something?
To these people 'ingenious rights' is only for magical blessed brown people. Us filthy cumskins have no homeland and deserve even less.

You can't bother reasoning with them.
 
To these people 'ingenious rights' is only for magical blessed brown people. Us filthy cumskins have no homeland and deserve even less.

You can't bother reasoning with them.
It's not about that. Whites are demeaned only because we created modern civilization. The Jews would step on any other race if they were as successful or useful as us and they have.

They enslaved the Africans and exported them to the New World.
They used war as a pretext to introduce private central banking to Asia and South America.
They toppled the Slavic nations, most notably Russia before World War II.

It was never about whites, it was about securing their own power. You can't reason with them because there is no argument. They simply believe they are better than everyone else. Ironically the only ones who ever claimed to be the "master race" are the Jews.

Those who support them are fueled by a childish sense of morality that all wrongs must be righted. The dead will never come back to life, and slavery cannot be undone, so to rectify this all whites must suffer. They are just unfortunate ignorant tools to be tossed aside when the next revolution comes.

They think that banning the AFD will ensure a tight grip over German society, but it will only make their downfall worse. Banning a party with 21% support makes your democracy a long form troll, and in a nation with a history of putsches I can see the past repeating.

Doesn’t Germany have an actual Nazi party still? Maybe they are t officially recognized but they have one. You’d think they would want to ban the actual Nazis.
All pseudoNazi continuation parties were outlawed in the 50s. The only one left is the moderate National Democratic Party.
 
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