MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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Shokew said:
So, from what I've gathered reading the recently 2 pages - neither candidate is going to:
1) Get us off foreign oil.
2) Get our asses out of the Middle East
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Obama's done an OK job weaning us off Arab oil, hell our energy policy now is pretty sweet, the Marselus Shale has helped in curbstomping oil and gas prices as we export. Seeing what happens when we leave the Middle East, maybe thats less of a downside than a long term cost of 'Iraqi Freedom'
As for point 3, we probably put tose regimes in place and point 4 is moot as Islamists are a bigger threat than regular Muslims, and any Islamists will be easier to kill here than over in Europe
 
We did try, and are trying to reduce foreign oil dependence. We started to rely on our own supplies, we drove Priuses and small cars, installed solar, used more domestic natural gas, etc, so Saudi Arabia crashed the oil prices to make that unprofitable. In the end, it's going to hurt them more than it'll hurt us, the US economy is diverse enough where this is not an issue.
 
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Rou said:
We did try, and are trying to reduce foreign oil dependence. We started to rely on our own supplies we drove Priuses and small cars, installed solar, used more domestic natural gas, etc, so Saudi Arabia crashed the oil prices to make that unprofitable. In the end, it's going to hurt them more than it'll hurt us, the US economy is diverse enough where this is not an issue.
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The oil market crashed in part because OPEC lost control of their efforts to limit supply, and released a glut of oil to the market. This was also due in to efforts to fight Daesh's black market income. Once most of the world lifted sanctions, Iranian oil was brought to legitimate western markets while US exports of natural gas from the Marselus Shale further depressed the markets. The Sauds are bleeding themselves to keep paying for their generous welfare state, which has kept the public content.
 
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Legatus Lanius said:
Holy shit the madmen might run their independent in opposition of Trump
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He might get on the ballot in three or four states if the petitioners work their asses off, maybe.

I'm pretty sure their plan is to target red states where Trump isn't as popular such as Utah and hope that the election is close enough and that they can sap just a few electoral votes to take it to the House of Representatives, where they will of course vote for this impressive true conservative that no-one's ever heard of.
 
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I'm pretty sure their plan is to target red states where Trump isn't as popular such as Utah and hope that the election is close enough and that they can sap just a few electoral votes to take it to the House of Representatives, where they will off course vote for this impressive true conservative that no-one's ever heard of.
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This would take some interesting electoral gymnastics to pull off: the House of Representatives is only allowed to choose between the three highest winners of electoral votes and barring Maine and Nebraska, all states are winner-take-all for the state, whereas Maine and Nebraska are assigned by congressional district. This means that a potential dark horse elected-by-the-House spoiler must either (a) actually win an entire state or (b) win one of the congressional districts in those two special states to even be remotely in consideration. As a difficulty note, Maine's deadline for independent party filings for president was June 1st; Nebraska's was just a week ago, on August 1st. This means to hit the contingency in either of those states he'd have to win a congressional district there as a write-in candidate (also, if he's hoping to be on the ballot in Utah, he has a week to file since they close theirs on the 15th).

In addition to that barrier, the House contingency vote for president is done via state delegations as votes, not a per-representative basis. This means entire state delegations -- themselves split on partisan lines -- have to have a majority for a candidate, and a majority of those need to be for our dark horse. Politicians aren't known for having political courage or for being able to make long-term calculations: Trump may be a major problem to them over the next four to eight years, but they wouldn't survive the next two if they elected Candidate Dark Horse if Trump is otherwise ahead; betraying a constituency that already feels betrayed is a great way to end up picking which lobbying firm you're "retiring" to now, and this is very much the year of betrayed-feeling constituents.

TL;DR: It's a nice dream, but to win you have to actually, you know, win.
 
Hat said:
He might get on the ballot in three or four states if the petitioners work their asses off, maybe.

I'm pretty sure their plan is to target red states where Trump isn't as popular such as Utah and hope that the election is close enough and that they can sap just a few electoral votes to take it to the House of Representatives, where they will off course vote for this impressive true conservative that no-one's ever heard of.
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It's too far late for any third party now. It's also the perfect time for them, for the 2020 elections. Of course, they're just going to drop off the face of the earth as soon as the elections are over because third parties just quit and lie down until the next election instead of building grassroots support.
 
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This would take some interesting electoral gymnastics to pull off: the House of Representatives is only allowed to choose between the three highest winners of electoral votes and barring Maine and Nebraska, all states are winner-take-all for the state, whereas Maine and Nebraska are assigned by congressional district. This means that a potential dark horse elected-by-the-House spoiler must either (a) actually win an entire state or (b) win one of the congressional districts in those two special states to even be remotely in consideration. As a difficulty note, Maine's deadline for independent party filings for president was June 1st; Nebraska's was just a week ago, on August 1st. This means to hit the contingency in either of those states he'd have to win a congressional district there as a write-in candidate (also, if he's hoping to be on the ballot in Utah, he has a week to file since they close theirs on the 15th).

In addition to that barrier, the House contingency vote for president is done via state delegations as votes, not a per-representative basis. This means entire state delegations -- themselves split on partisan lines -- have to have a majority for a candidate, and a majority of those need to be for our dark horse. Politicians aren't known for having political courage or for being able to make long-term calculations: Trump may be a major problem to them over the next four to eight years, but they wouldn't survive the next two if they elected Candidate Dark Horse if Trump is otherwise ahead; betraying a constituency that already feels betrayed is a great way to end up picking which lobbying firm you're "retiring" to now, and this is very much the year of betrayed-feeling constituents.

TL;DR: It's a nice dream, but to win you have to actually, you know, win.
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Yeah, the only thing such a small scale independent can do at this point is hurt other 3rd party candidates and make it harder for them to get the magic 5% of the vote.

Rou said:
It's too far late for any third party now. It's also the perfect time for them, for the 2020 elections. Of course, they're just going to drop off the face of the earth as soon as the elections are over because third parties just quit and lie down until the next election instead of building grassroots support.
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The Better for America organization that he's a part of will be gone after the presidential election is over, but the Libertarians and Greens do an all right job actually running candidates for local and state offices during the four years between presidential elections. The Libertarians themselves have got a slight boost in name recognition from a bunch of anti-Trump Republicans jumping ship, but we'll have to see if this lasts at all.
 
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I have been missing out on this thread, huh? There isnt much point right now, because it really is all over for Hillary.

Why?

In the very short time until the debates, you will see it all.
 
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feedtheoctopus said:
Clinton possibly dying or going catatonic in office is a plus man. Think about it, 4 years of Trump? Ew. Maybe one or two of Clinton before she's incapable of functioning? Hell I can deal with that
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I don't want someone with dementia being president for even a day. And I'd prefer 8 years of Trump.
 
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