US Wyoming Republicans Fight For Their 'Constitutional Right' To Marry Children

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Wyoming Republicans Fight For Their 'Constitutional Right' To Marry Children​

The year 2015 was when the United States realized it had a child marriage problem and started talking about it.

Between 2000 and 2018, almost 300,000 children under the age of 18 were legally married in the United States — 78 percent of them minor girls wedded to adult men. While the vast majority were 16 and 17 year olds married to men an average of four years older than they were, there were some pretty jarring exceptions. In 2001 in Tennessee, three 10-year-old girls were married to men 24, 25 and 31. In Alabama, a 14-year-old girl was married to a 74-year-old man.

Since 2018, thanks to the work of anti-child marriage advocacy organization Unchained at Last, seven states have outlawed all marriage before the age of 18 — New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts, along with the territories of American Samoa and the US Virgin Islands. In most other states, the minimum age for marriage is 16, though there is proposed legislation to raise the age to 18. Eight states, however, have no minimum at all. Those states are California, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. An actual toddler could get married in those states and it would be legal.
Recently, however, Wyoming Republican state Rep. Dan Zwonitzer introduced a bill that would raise the age of marriage to 18, with exceptions for 16 and 17 with parental consent.

This is not a strong bill, unlike the one he co-sponsored in 2018 that would have raised the age to 18 with no exceptions. It's still very bad, because children under the age of 18 (with exceptions in some states for emancipated minors over 16) cannot be admitted to domestic violence shelters and they cannot file for divorce. Yes, that is correct. They can get married, but they can't get divorced. Because marriage is a contract and minors under the age of 18 are not allowed to enter into contracts.

Alas, even that weak-ass bill is a bridge too far for his Republican colleagues, who got together to put out a mass email detailing why they wish for the state to remain a safe haven for children of literally any age to get married.

Is it as bad as you think it is? Oh no, it's much worse — so, so much worse.

HB7 denies the fundamental purpose of marriage:

Marriage is the only institution in Wyoming Statute designed to keep a child's father and mother living under the same roof and cooperating in the raising of any children that they, together, conceive. This is the NATURAL RIGHT of every child. As such, it is protected in the Wyoming Constitution (see. Art.1, Sec. 3 and 23). Since young men and women may be physically capable of begetting and bearing children prior to the age of 16, marriage MUST remain open to them for the sake of those children.

The sad fact that physical maturity may not be matched by emotional and intellectual maturity is an indictment of our modern educational system. That is a problem that should be addressed. But we should not use it as an excuse to instantiate bad law.

The "if kids can have kids they should be able to get married" thing was to be expected. We've seen enough right-wing culture warriors go viral with nonsense about how it would be better for people to get married as teenagers or how they'd like to bring arranged marriage back by now that this is barely even shocking anymore.

However, I don't know that any of us had "the realproblem is that schools don't prepare children to be married as soon as they hit puberty" on our bingo cards. Maybe this is the root of right-wing rage against public schools. Maybe they think if schools were doing their jobs correctly they could cruise middle school dances in search of suitable wives.

This was not the only defense, of course.
Denial of parent rights

Parents, by virtue of their right to conceive children, have the pre-political (i.e. God-given) responsibility to raise their own children. This right and responsibility includes guiding their own maturing children into the estate of Holy Matrimony. HB7 strips parents of their right to consent to properly desired and well-ordered marriages when they are below an arbitrary age. Moreover, this arbitrary age limit is demonstrably lower than the historical norm of millennia of human existence.

It is true that some perverse religions and cultures COERCE children to marry young, against their wishes. Sometimes, as in the case of human trafficking, this coercion comes from outside the family. Sometimes, it comes from the parents themselves. The Constitutional rights of children require that side-boards be in place to prevent such perversions. But those side-boards already exist in the form of written parental consent and judicial review of that consent. HB 7 removes those side-boards and replaces them with an arbitrary number that has no organic or essential impetus behind it.
Well, for one, while Wyoming does not have great child labor laws, children under the age of 16 are not allowed to have full-time jobs. They are not allowed to be emancipated from their parents until the age of 16. Prior to that, they cannot sign a lease, they cannot drive a motor vehicle, they cannot get divorced. So how are these kids going to raise a family?

And lest we forget — Sherry Johnson, one of the activists leading the charge against child marriage, was 11-years-old when her mother got approval from a judge to force her to marry the 20 year old who raped her. She's not the only one this has happened to, either. It seems to happen most often in religious communities that wish to protect the very holy men who rape children from prosecution.

But hey! These guys probably still think it's preferable for a child to be raised under the same roof as a rapist father and the underage child he impregnated. What could possibly go wrong?

Then there's the third argument, which compares the right of children to marry each other or for adults to marry children to the right of adult same-sex couples to marry each other.
Violation of the right of Wyoming citizens to marry

“Only a generation ago, people were regularly ready for marriage by the age of 15, not 16, and still today many Wyoming couples are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary after having been married prior to 15. In Windsor and Obergefell, the Supreme Court of the United States asserted a “right to marry” beyond all reason and logic. Now HB 7, contrary to all reason and logic, would strip away that right from people who actually have a legitimate reason to marry, and who desire to give their child a stable and loving home. This is unjust both to child and parents.”
"People who actually have a legitimate reason to marry." Cute.

It seems necessary to point out here that for the last few years, Republicans have been crying their faces off about how innocent children need to be allowed to be innocent children — which in their minds means not telling them that LGBTQ people exist, not telling them that racism exists, and not allowing drag queens to read books to them. Earlier this month in Wyoming, the Senate passed a bill to criminalize gender-affirming care on the grounds that they don't think a young person can know if they are transgender or not.

And yet here they are, pushing for children of any age to be able to marry, and to be able to marry an adult of any age, so long as a parent and a judge sign off on it. It's almost as if they have a very specific agenda that has nothing to do with protecting children so much as it has to do with trying to win the culture war.
 
Agree to disagree that "16 year olds can't enter into binding contracts... except marriage, but that's totally okay because parental consent is always in the child's best interest!" constitutes a "reasonable exception".

Romeo and Juliet exceptions to the age of consent, okay I can understand that. Marriage? Nah. No. You knocked up a 15 year old at 25? You can still support the child and it's mother without binding them to you in marriage.

Total strawman argument. Disallowing 16 year olds to enter into contracts whole sale is probably government overreach as well. And how is working a job not a contract as well?

Yeah, and then you present the illogical idea that AOC exceptions for Romeo and Juliet cases are okay but not marriage. What is the difference here, you want to discriminate against religious people or monogamy?

So you're a pedophile who wants to prey on 16 year olds and are trying to cope as if someone in their 30's or 50's is on the same level of a literal adolescent child. Why aren't you going after women your own age?

I think I've got you nailed down very well. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.

I said repeatedly I was talking about older teens marrying people a few years older than them. Yeah, keep going to those insults and ad-hominems, it makes you look real smart and not like someone throwing a tantrum becuase you are being confronted with logical exceptions to your blanket thinking.

And my SO is 32 years old. So yeah, nice try, stupid.
 
So why are you so hell-bent on allowing adult men to marry children unless you have some stake in the game?
None of that was in my points.

Why do you consider an 18 year old a child?

I'm fine with an 18 year old marrying whoever the fuck they want. They're old enough to live with the consequences. 16 year old? Not so much. They can barely be trusted with a car, a part time job, and school. A 17 year old would be a case by case basis. That and I believe there should be a 4 year spread, max. I find people in their 30's who marry 18-22 year olds vaguely weird and creepy.
I hate to break it to you guys, but this isn't a good look defending this. It's weird, degenerate shit embraced by hillbillies.
And weirdo religious cults. And Muslims. And many immigrant groups.

And progressives. And Democrats. Wait, they just want to fuck them, not marry them.

Sure, they could set it to be from birth and it'd be the same....your point? Why are you weirdos so attracted to teenagers?
You assume stances are based on personally desiring to enter into relationships with minors, rather than wondering why a minor can engage in a sexual relationship but not a marriage at the same age or wondering why so many weirdos consider 18-25 year olds children.

Why can't an 18 year old marry a 19 year old? Or a 17 year old marry an 18 year old? Sixteen, I believe, is too young.

But the point remains: Why do so many people consider 18-25 to still be children?
 
I said repeatedly I was talking about older teens marrying people a few years older than them. Yeah, keep going to those insults and ad-hominems, it makes you look real smart and not like someone throwing a tantrum you are being confronted with logical exceptions to your blanket thinking.

And my SO is 32 years old. So yeah, nice try, stupid.
That's already legal. An 18 year old can marry anyone they want.

You want those underage girls and you know it.
 
... Was she hot?

Kinda mousey and quiet. Our theory was he beat her. One day she just stopped showing up.

Also I'm not FOR treating kids like dhildren til 25. I just said the practical result of our society is we're already there. Saying they shouldn't marry at 16 isn't going to fix that.

In theory despite that weird girl, if I had to allow teen marriage, I'd be more for 2 17 year olds getting married, or something of an age spread of 2-3 years, like 16-19 or 17-21, But 30-70 year olds marrying 16 year olds is fucked up as hell.
 
So why are you so hell-bent on allowing adult men to marry children unless you have some stake in the game?

I hate to break it to you guys, but it isn't a good look defending this. It's weird, degenerate shit embraced by hillbillies, white trash, ghetto trash (without the marriage) and Mormon weirdos.
We're not defending anything, shitdick. We're pushing back against what is an obvious red herring meant to distract from the Rainbow Mafia demanding to mutilate and brainwash kids into sex slavery.
 
We're not defending anything, shitdick. We're pushing back against what is an obvious red herring meant to distract from the Rainbow Mafia demanding to mutilate and brainwash kids into sex slavery.
Sounds like a lot of them are simping for the right to marry underage children and defending lowering the age of consent.
 
That's already legal. An 18 year old can marry anyone they want.

You want those underage girls and you know it.
You can't even answer what the substantive difference between an 18 year old and a 17 year old is. Keep pounding sand becuase you can't even think of a retort to people's points other than yelling pedo like a butthurt retard.
 
You can't even answer what the substantive difference between an 18 year old and a 17 year old is. Keep pounding sand becuase you can't even think of a retort to people's points other than yelling pedo like a butthurt retard.
Yeah, which is fine if you're 18 or 19 but not when you're in your 20s or 30's, let alone your 70s like that pervert in Tennessee.

Guys, just stop...this isn't making you look good.
 
So why are you so hell-bent on allowing adult men to marry children unless you have some stake in the game?

I hate to break it to you guys, but it isn't a good look defending this. It's weird, degenerate shit embraced by hillbillies, white trash, ghetto trash (without the marriage) and Mormon weirdos.
We let fags marry despite the affront to God and moral society that represents. Maybe sit down on a cock and chill out
 
Yeah, which is fine if you're 18 or 19 but not when you're in your 20s or 30's, let alone your 70s like that pervert in Tennessee.

Guys, just stop...this isn't making you look good.
I wouldn't go on about things not looking good when you have this weird fetish for moralfagging, pedophile.
The fact that you are overly sexualizing this topic also doesn't look good.

The fact that everyone around you looks like a pedophile like some zany hall of mirrors also doesn't look good.
Are you gonna try to own more chuds with your rapefics?
 
Alas, even that weak-ass bill is a bridge too far for his Republican colleagues, who got together to put out a mass email detailing why they wish for the state to remain a safe haven for children of literally any age to get married.
This is a lie according to website Robyn linked herself:
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I wouldn't go on about things not looking good when you have this weird fetish for moralfagging, pedophile.
The fact that you are overly sexualizing this topic also doesn't look good.

The fact that everyone around you looks like a pedophile like some zany hall of mirrors also doesn't look good.
Are you gonna try to own more chuds with your rapefics?

I was going to say I'm def reading some heavy projection coming off this nigger. Gotta overcompensate or people might figure him out.

Edit:

Lot of these new niggers like calling people pedos too, it's a funny trend I've noticed.

One started calling me one cause I called a bullshit gay-ops on his dead jeff epstein photo... which is odd, It was fuckin' obviously fake and no sources so I made fun of him for it. Next thing I know I get called a pedo for not believing epstein is dead. Including him ranting on my profile about it and telling all his friends, or I assume his socks.

I sorta bet it's the same nigger.
 
I was going to say I'm def reading some heavy projection coming off this nigger. Gotta overcompensate or people might figure him out.

Edit:

Lot of these new niggers like calling people pedos too, it's a funny trend I've noticed.

One started calling me one cause I called bullshit gay-ops on his dead jeff epstein photo... which is odd, It was fuckin' obviously fake and no sources so I made fun of him for it. Next thing I know I get called a pedo for not believing epstein is dead.
Like seriously "a 17 year old marrying an 18 year old isn't weird" and his response is "so you want to fuck children."

Holy fuck that's a weird tangent.
 
I was going to say I'm def reading some heavy projection coming off this nigger. Gotta overcompensate or people might figure him out.

Edit:

Lot of these new niggers like calling people pedos too, it's a funny trend I've noticed.

One started calling me one cause I called a bullshit gay-ops on his dead jeff epstein photo... which is odd, It was fuckin' obviously fake and no sources so I made fun of him for it. Next thing I know I get called a pedo for not believing epstein is dead. Including him ranting on my profile about it and telling all his friends, or I assume his socks.

I sorta bet it's the same nigger.

They used gross as an adjective. It's a dead giveaway imo.
 
It's wrong to marry someone below 18 because the government says it's wrong, unless another government says it's not wrong, then it's still wrong because the another government says it's wrong, although back when no government said it was wrong, it was still wrong, because some day the government would say it is wrong, but not all governments, just the governments who aren't wrong.

Anyway, if you didn't follow the above sentence, you're a pedophile.
 
Yeah, which is fine if you're 18 or 19 but not when you're in your 20s or 30's, let alone your 70s like that pervert in Tennessee.

Guys, just stop...this isn't making you look good.
You are citing fringe cases that happened 20+ years ago, can be counted on one hand, and that 99.99999% of conservatives think is unacceptable...

...and thinking that is in any way comparable to you and the millions of other shitlibs today who think human rights are being violated if drag queen strippers aren't allowed to give porn and dildoes to Kindergarteners.

Take your false equivalencies and shove them up your ass.
 
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