US Wyoming Republicans Fight For Their 'Constitutional Right' To Marry Children

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Wyoming Republicans Fight For Their 'Constitutional Right' To Marry Children​

The year 2015 was when the United States realized it had a child marriage problem and started talking about it.

Between 2000 and 2018, almost 300,000 children under the age of 18 were legally married in the United States — 78 percent of them minor girls wedded to adult men. While the vast majority were 16 and 17 year olds married to men an average of four years older than they were, there were some pretty jarring exceptions. In 2001 in Tennessee, three 10-year-old girls were married to men 24, 25 and 31. In Alabama, a 14-year-old girl was married to a 74-year-old man.

Since 2018, thanks to the work of anti-child marriage advocacy organization Unchained at Last, seven states have outlawed all marriage before the age of 18 — New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts, along with the territories of American Samoa and the US Virgin Islands. In most other states, the minimum age for marriage is 16, though there is proposed legislation to raise the age to 18. Eight states, however, have no minimum at all. Those states are California, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. An actual toddler could get married in those states and it would be legal.
Recently, however, Wyoming Republican state Rep. Dan Zwonitzer introduced a bill that would raise the age of marriage to 18, with exceptions for 16 and 17 with parental consent.

This is not a strong bill, unlike the one he co-sponsored in 2018 that would have raised the age to 18 with no exceptions. It's still very bad, because children under the age of 18 (with exceptions in some states for emancipated minors over 16) cannot be admitted to domestic violence shelters and they cannot file for divorce. Yes, that is correct. They can get married, but they can't get divorced. Because marriage is a contract and minors under the age of 18 are not allowed to enter into contracts.

Alas, even that weak-ass bill is a bridge too far for his Republican colleagues, who got together to put out a mass email detailing why they wish for the state to remain a safe haven for children of literally any age to get married.

Is it as bad as you think it is? Oh no, it's much worse — so, so much worse.

HB7 denies the fundamental purpose of marriage:

Marriage is the only institution in Wyoming Statute designed to keep a child's father and mother living under the same roof and cooperating in the raising of any children that they, together, conceive. This is the NATURAL RIGHT of every child. As such, it is protected in the Wyoming Constitution (see. Art.1, Sec. 3 and 23). Since young men and women may be physically capable of begetting and bearing children prior to the age of 16, marriage MUST remain open to them for the sake of those children.

The sad fact that physical maturity may not be matched by emotional and intellectual maturity is an indictment of our modern educational system. That is a problem that should be addressed. But we should not use it as an excuse to instantiate bad law.

The "if kids can have kids they should be able to get married" thing was to be expected. We've seen enough right-wing culture warriors go viral with nonsense about how it would be better for people to get married as teenagers or how they'd like to bring arranged marriage back by now that this is barely even shocking anymore.

However, I don't know that any of us had "the realproblem is that schools don't prepare children to be married as soon as they hit puberty" on our bingo cards. Maybe this is the root of right-wing rage against public schools. Maybe they think if schools were doing their jobs correctly they could cruise middle school dances in search of suitable wives.

This was not the only defense, of course.
Denial of parent rights

Parents, by virtue of their right to conceive children, have the pre-political (i.e. God-given) responsibility to raise their own children. This right and responsibility includes guiding their own maturing children into the estate of Holy Matrimony. HB7 strips parents of their right to consent to properly desired and well-ordered marriages when they are below an arbitrary age. Moreover, this arbitrary age limit is demonstrably lower than the historical norm of millennia of human existence.

It is true that some perverse religions and cultures COERCE children to marry young, against their wishes. Sometimes, as in the case of human trafficking, this coercion comes from outside the family. Sometimes, it comes from the parents themselves. The Constitutional rights of children require that side-boards be in place to prevent such perversions. But those side-boards already exist in the form of written parental consent and judicial review of that consent. HB 7 removes those side-boards and replaces them with an arbitrary number that has no organic or essential impetus behind it.
Well, for one, while Wyoming does not have great child labor laws, children under the age of 16 are not allowed to have full-time jobs. They are not allowed to be emancipated from their parents until the age of 16. Prior to that, they cannot sign a lease, they cannot drive a motor vehicle, they cannot get divorced. So how are these kids going to raise a family?

And lest we forget — Sherry Johnson, one of the activists leading the charge against child marriage, was 11-years-old when her mother got approval from a judge to force her to marry the 20 year old who raped her. She's not the only one this has happened to, either. It seems to happen most often in religious communities that wish to protect the very holy men who rape children from prosecution.

But hey! These guys probably still think it's preferable for a child to be raised under the same roof as a rapist father and the underage child he impregnated. What could possibly go wrong?

Then there's the third argument, which compares the right of children to marry each other or for adults to marry children to the right of adult same-sex couples to marry each other.
Violation of the right of Wyoming citizens to marry

“Only a generation ago, people were regularly ready for marriage by the age of 15, not 16, and still today many Wyoming couples are celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary after having been married prior to 15. In Windsor and Obergefell, the Supreme Court of the United States asserted a “right to marry” beyond all reason and logic. Now HB 7, contrary to all reason and logic, would strip away that right from people who actually have a legitimate reason to marry, and who desire to give their child a stable and loving home. This is unjust both to child and parents.”
"People who actually have a legitimate reason to marry." Cute.

It seems necessary to point out here that for the last few years, Republicans have been crying their faces off about how innocent children need to be allowed to be innocent children — which in their minds means not telling them that LGBTQ people exist, not telling them that racism exists, and not allowing drag queens to read books to them. Earlier this month in Wyoming, the Senate passed a bill to criminalize gender-affirming care on the grounds that they don't think a young person can know if they are transgender or not.

And yet here they are, pushing for children of any age to be able to marry, and to be able to marry an adult of any age, so long as a parent and a judge sign off on it. It's almost as if they have a very specific agenda that has nothing to do with protecting children so much as it has to do with trying to win the culture war.
 
Recently, however, Wyoming Republican state Rep. Dan Zwonitzer introduced a bill that would raise the age of marriage to 18, with exceptions for 16 and 17 with parental consent.

This is not a strong bill, unlike the one he co-sponsored in 2018 that would have raised the age to 18 with no exceptions.
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AN ACT relating to marital rights; amending statutory language to reflect United States supreme court precedent concerning same-sex marriages and the rights of same-sex married couples; codifying rights of parties legally authorized to marry in Wyoming; providing for parentage determinations for all marital couples; providing definitions; providing for a review of rules and regulations potentially impacted by this act; and providing for an effective date.

Either I'm a retard picking the wrong bill, or the journalist is scum hiding the fact that the "marriage at 18" bill is a gay bill. I'm inclined to go with journalist scum considering how they ended their article

It seems necessary to point out here that for the last few years, Republicans have been crying their faces off about how innocent children need to be allowed to be innocent children — which in their minds means not telling them that LGBTQ people exist, not telling them that racism exists, and not allowing drag queens to read books to them. Earlier this month in Wyoming, the Senate passed a bill to criminalize gender-affirming care on the grounds that they don't think a young person can know if they are transgender or not.

They sure seem like the kind of asshole who would think banning child marriage in order to get gay marriage is a logical trade.

And no, the 2018 bill setting the minimum age of marriage at 18 is not SF0093 Child sexual abuse prevention, that bill doesn't contain the word marriage.

E: I'm trying to find an article that will name the bill. They all just call it a bill he co-sponsored in 2018. GEEZ HOW USEFUL, TOTALLY VERIFIABLE.
 

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Which one, Mein Kampf? lol Are you seriously chimping out at the greatest generation meme. It's true. lol
The Liberation Trilogy by Rick Atkinson is terrific.

By the end, you might understand the Greatest Generation had about the same mix of of the selfless, the noble, the ignorant and profoundly retarded as just about every other grouping of human beings since we started telling stories about our exploits.
 
I have issues with minors getting married. The cases of the younger teens and pre-teens, that's just disgusting pedoism. A lot of the way this is penned reeks of whataboutism though, is the author trying to draw fire away from the troonery ruining prepubescent kids? The fags saying being diddled is important to gay culture? In this article, some republicans are for teen marriage, a republican is also crusading against it. Curious. If age of consent is 16 in plenty of blue states, how is the author to excuse that and say republicans are definitely the bad guys here? From this point of view, to hold consistent, I see issues with both of these facts. Is having legal casual sex at 16 or 17 with a man who is a few years older any better than marrying that man at 16 or 17? What's the logic of that? Long term consequences, the author would say, as if casual sex has none. There's no consequence longer term than having a child, which you risk with any sex. If you're going to blanket ban marriage under 18 I'd say to be morally consistent you have to blanket bump the age of consent to 18, I would be in favor of doing that. Would the author be? I bet not, since casual promiscuous sex is practically a moral imperative to the American leftist.
 
The Liberation Trilogy by Rick Atkinson is terrific.

By the end, you might understand the Greatest Generation had about the same mix of of the selfless, the noble, the ignorant and profoundly retarded as just about every other grouping of human beings since we started telling stories about our exploits.

I'm going to go with World War II vets being great and honorable people that saved the west versus whatever dumb internet meme ideology you are trying to push on me. Sorry.
 
That can drive a car.

It's called adolescence. You aren't a child, but you aren't an adult either. It's in between.

What about 17 year olds? Are they children? What about 18 year olds? Still children?
They're still children if you've ever interacted with them as an adult...so immature and impossible to relate to on anywhere the same level.

Why do you all want to marry underage children so badly that you defend this gross legislation?
 
They're still children if you've ever interacted with them as an adult...so immature and impossible to relate to on the same level.

Why do you all want to marry underage children so badly?
You assume things about me.

So, 17 and 18 year olds are children?

Once again, I find myself in complete contempt of assholes like you.

Old enough to die in a fucking ditch for Uncle Sam, not old enough to buy cigarettes or booze, rent a car, and still considered children.
 
Republicans love to support Pedo culture.
Democrats are all pedos, so it makes sense that Republicans cuck to their demands every single time. They're like the heel in pro wrestling, they only exist to get beaten up by the crowd favorite and make them look good. Honestly if Donald Trump did one thing right, it's that he said "fuck that shit," at least for a bit. Shit president though just like every one we've had this century.
 
Changing laws for reasonable exceptions for "consistency sake" is autistic thinking. Then you end up with laws with no logical component like the UK ala assault that sends people to jail for shooting or even roughing up house intruders because they think violence is bad in every instance.

Agree to disagree that "16 year olds can't enter into binding contracts... except marriage, but that's totally okay because parental consent is always in the child's best interest!" constitutes a "reasonable exception".

Romeo and Juliet exceptions to the age of consent, okay I can understand that. Marriage? Nah. No. You knocked up a 15 year old at 25? You can still support the child and it's mother without binding them to you in marriage.
 
You assume things about me.

So, 17 and 18 year olds are children?
Yes, if you've ever interacted with them as an adult you would never want to have a relationship with them in your 20s or later.
Once again, I find myself in complete contempt of assholes like you.

Old enough to die in a fucking ditch for Uncle Sam, not old enough to buy cigarettes or booze, rent a car, and still considered children.
An 18-year old is a legal adult so you can do what you want. Of course I know you really don't want the 18-year olds...
 
They're still children if you've ever interacted with them as an adult...so immature and impossible to relate to on anywhere the same level.

Why do you all want to marry underage children so badly that you defend this gross legislation?

I could say the same thing for most people in any age group. There's a lot of fucking dumb 30 year olds and 50 year olds out there, that's why this site exists. This is not a un-biased measuring stick since there will always be exceptions to that like the teens who are so smart they go into college at an early age or write novels at an early age or whatever else. Why wouldn't the parents be able to know if the teen is mature enough for the marriage?

>gross

Sounds like a tumblr argument where the fact it triggers you is enough and logic doesn't matter.
 
You assume things about me.

So, 17 and 18 year olds are children?

Once again, I find myself in complete contempt of assholes like you.

Old enough to die in a fucking ditch for Uncle Sam, not old enough to buy cigarettes or booze, rent a car, and still considered children.
I've honestly always been unsettled by the fact that one could sign up for the military at 17, then enter combat, sign up for life altering debt, enter a contract, get charged as an adult for crimes, purchase a firearm (rifle or shotgun), and until recently, buy cigarettes, all at 18. But no alcohol or pistols, and now no tobacco, until 21.

Honestly I wish they'd make everything 18 or everything 21. Hell I'll take them making 30 the legal age for everything, all I want is some God damn consistency.
 
When I was in HS this chick showed up on the bus one day. She was always quiet and sat in the back. We found out she was married and had just moved here. I don't think her husband was that old, like 18 or 19. He was a legal adult and could work all day to support them, but she had to go to HS because she was like 16 or 17. It was weird. This was like 30 years ago in the Northeast US.

I don't think even if this was the norm 100 or even 50 years ago it should be reason for it to go on now. I think kids are a lot less mature and responsible in most ways today than they were in say the 1940s. Sure they're more worldly and have sex earlier, but they act like children into their mid 20s and aren't responsible. I see no reason why they shouldn't wait til 18 to make what is supposed to be a lifelong commitment.
... Was she hot?
 
I could say the same thing for most people in any age group. There's a lot of fucking dumb 30 year olds and 50 year olds out there, that's why this site exists. This is not a un-biased measuring stick since there will always be exceptions to that like the teens who are so smart they go into college at an early age or write novels at an early age or whatever else. Why wouldn't the parents be able to know if the teen is mature enough for the marriage?

>gross

Sounds like a tumblr argument where the fact it triggers you is enough and logic doesn't matter.
So you're a pedophile who wants to prey on 16 year olds and are trying to cope as if someone in their 30's or 50's is on the same level of a literal adolescent child. Why aren't you going after women your own age?

I think I've got you nailed down very well. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.
 
Yes, if you've ever interacted with them as an adult you would never want to have a relationship with them in your 20s or later.
I'm not saying I would. I've had working relationships with 17 and 18 year olds due to employment. Many of which lived on their own. The most relationship I would want with someone that age is remote and platonic, work related or family only.
An 18-year old is a legal adult so you can do what you want. Of course I know you really don't want the 18-year olds...
Again, you assume on your own biases.

A 17 year old can join the military (with parent's permission) and at that moment is considered a full adult. They can kill or die, be exposed to all kinds of shit, and is expected to act as an adult professionally and personally.

You stated that they're children.

At 18 you can drive a car, vote, MUST enlist in Selective Service and are eligible to be drafted into military service, can take out student loans and car loans, can find employment, can live on their own, can sign up for utilities, bank accounts, and rental agreements.

You state they're children.

At 18 you are no longer a child. You should have spent 13-17 learning how to deal with the repercussions of your own actions.

At 16 or 17 you can be tried as an adult for a crime.

You say they're children.

They are not. They are Young Adults.

The idea that an 18 year old is a child is fairly recent.
 
I'm not saying I would. I've had working relationships with 17 and 18 year olds due to employment. Many of which lived on their own. The most relationship I would want with someone that age is remote and platonic, work related or family only.

Again, you assume on your own biases.

A 17 year old can join the military (with parent's permission) and at that moment is considered a full adult. They can kill or die, be exposed to all kinds of shit, and is expected to act as an adult professionally and personally.

You stated that they're children.

At 18 you can drive a car, vote, MUST enlist in Selective Service and are eligible to be drafted into military service, can take out student loans and car loans, can find employment, can live on their own, can sign up for utilities, bank accounts, and rental agreements.

You state their children.

At 18 you are no longer a child. You should have spent 13-17 learning how to deal with the repercussions of your own actions.

At 16 or 17 you can be tried as an adult for a crime.

You say they're children.

They are not. They are Young Adults.
So you want to bang children. Got it. Why exactly don't you go after women your own age?
 
So you want to bang children. Got it.
Again, you attempt to push your own beliefs and thoughts on me.

You have no other answer than to claim I wish to have sex with minors or young people, which seems to be your go-to answer to any of the points I brought up.

You're wrong and know it, and your baseless accusations that speak more about you hold no water to the points I have raised.

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Why exactly don't you go after women your own age?
Again, you attempt baseless accusations to try to refute my point.

Why is an 18 year old considered a child by you when they are legally fully functional adults with the legal rights and responsibilities afforded adults?
 
Again, you attempt to push your own beliefs and thoughts on me.

You have no other answer than to claim I wish to have sex with minors or young people, which seems to be your go-to answer to any of the points I brought up.

You're wrong and know it, and your baseless accusations that speak more about you hold no water to the points I have raised.
So why are you so hell-bent on allowing adult men to marry children unless you have some stake in the game?

I hate to break it to you guys, but it isn't a good look defending this. It's weird, degenerate shit embraced by hillbillies, white trash, ghetto trash (without the marriage) and Mormon weirdos.
 
So why are you so hell-bent on allowing adult men to marry children unless you have some stake in the game?

If the government declares 17-year-olds to be legal adults, then it wouldn't be marrying a legal child to marry one.
 
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