Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

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Well dude she's not gonna make the first move unless you give her your number. That's how I found my gal.
She has my number and we text each other work related stuff, but you're totally right about the general point. I tried flirting with her and getting to know her when she first arrived, but didn't seem to have any chemistry or interest from her. But acting strangely friendly, almost more girlish, as of late. Every once in a while I'll be her simp when she has a near nervous breakdown.
 
She has my number and we text each other work related stuff, but you're totally right about the general point. I tried flirting with her and getting to know her when she first arrived, but didn't seem to have any chemistry or interest from her. But acting strangely friendly, almost more girlish, as of late. Every once in a while I'll be her simp when she has a near nervous breakdown.
Do not simp.
 
Texbook emotional tampon.
I hadn't heard of that concept before, but it sounds accurate. I had gotten frustrated enough recently (with everything) to consider telling her to fuck off the next time she wants to rant to me about some bullshit. It doesn't happen real often, maybe two or three times in the year I've known her. I got a bit overly excited because I'd given up on her but then saw her looking at me a lot and laughing and being a bit more playful.
 
She has my number and we text each other work related stuff, but you're totally right about the general point. I tried flirting with her and getting to know her when she first arrived, but didn't seem to have any chemistry or interest from her. But acting strangely friendly, almost more girlish, as of late. Every once in a while I'll be her simp when she has a near nervous breakdown.
Oh that's terrible, don't do that. This isn't high school.

My position is that a chick won't necessarily immediately know whether or not they like you, but they will very quickly if you're in close proximity to each other. If you've gotten the chance to directly interact with each other for a couple days and you feel no affinity whatsoever by the end of that period then it's never going to happen, and you're only degrading yourself by trying to force it.

I had gotten frustrated enough recently (with everything) to consider telling her to fuck off the next time she wants to rant to me about some bullshit.
Classic nice guy syndrome. Many such cases. Sad.

Someone can't really get mad when they've refused to set or maintain boundaries in the hopes that allowing them to be violated will get someone else to like them. It's no different than a woman giving it up to some guy because she thinks maybe if she does he'll want to date her then getting mad when he still doesn't.

This is the exact same thing, hoping if you chase after someone and give them whatever they want eventually they'll feel so indebted that it'll will attraction into existence, and that's not how it works. Have some boundaries, don't be an emotional BPD whore.
 
I hadn't heard of that concept before, but it sounds accurate. I had gotten frustrated enough recently (with everything) to consider telling her to fuck off the next time she wants to rant to me about some bullshit. It doesn't happen real often, maybe two or three times in the year I've known her. I got a bit overly excited because I'd given up on her but then saw her looking at me a lot and laughing and being a bit more playful.
I mean this in the absolute best faith possible: some of your posts in this thread come off like a bit of a cuck faggot, and you may wish to consider examining your behavior to see if you might be one IRL.

It's kind of an incel meme bible at this point, but if you read it a bit skeptically, No More Mr. Nice Guy is unironically a decent book for outlining the way you can fall into these traps. If you search "no more mister nice guy filetype:pdf" on your favorite search engine, you can probably find a PDF of the book. After each chapter, reflect on it and honestly think how it might apply to your life. Then, to balance it out, pretend the advice was given to you by some fat faggot like Coach Red Pill, and see if that makes you inclined to disregard part of it. Go back and forth a bit and you might start seeing things in a different light.

If you ever find yourself tempted to become a pick-up artist, just remember that Mystery got committed and Torero probably killed himself. Good luck.
 
I hadn't heard of that concept before, but it sounds accurate. I had gotten frustrated enough recently (with everything) to consider telling her to fuck off the next time she wants to rant to me about some bullshit. It doesn't happen real often, maybe two or three times in the year I've known her. I got a bit overly excited because I'd given up on her but then saw her looking at me a lot and laughing and being a bit more playful.
Let it go and just call it a day. Find someone new. If a woman is into you, she'll make it known. Don't chase after girls at your workplace, or ones that come into your workplace. Shitting where you eat is never a good idea and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise can suck a giant schlong. As for this girl, there's nothing wrong with being casually friendly but don't waste your time on her and don't get bogged down in her problems. If you work with her though, don't be an ass either. Women don't want solutions, they just want to rant and they like having someone to rant to.
 
I just wanted to note, historically this shit causes revolutions.
The last thing you want is a bunch of angry men with nothing to do and no future. We're getting there, slowly but surely.

That's why I think half this shit is by design. Elites know this, they wouldn't foment unrest unless they wanted unrest. At least in the 90s and most of the 2000s, there were good movies, great video games, and solid TV shows. Now it seems like it's almost all shit, except a tiny percent of decent tv shows, and maybe a handful of good indie games, but you really have to hunt and peck and know how to search for good stuff. It's not like 20 years ago where even a dumb normie would get access to the best video games like everyone else. My point being, if the incel epidemic is growing, you'd think that elites would want to produce top tier entertainment to keep these rejected men docile and non-violent.

I guess we do have legal marijuana in much of the country now, and drugs are probably easier to get than ever...but what's even the point of drugs if the entertainment options generally suck? Again, I know everything doesn't suck, but it just seems like the good stuff is harder to find than ever before, and so many people are truly slaves to the algorithms and don't know how to find new stuff without them. Most people I know find new bands through spotify suggestions for example
 
Aren't you answering your own question?

I've done plenty of drugs in my day, never fucked with meth or heroin, but basically everything else I've done at one point or another. In my experience, drugs are only enjoyable if you're at a party or event with friends (concert, busy bar, etc), OR if you're at home enjoying some well produced entertainment. Getting baked and watching a good tv show or movie is enjoyable. Taking adderall and grinding at some videogame is fun if that's your thing. I'm sure the young people probably don't know the difference, but basically I just think that the incel question wouldn't weigh so heavily if people were enjoying life otherwise. Drugs in and of themselves are rather pointless, and I think most drug users would agree with that statement. No one wants to smoke a joint and do something boring
 
There's more for people to relate to than ever. No longer you have to get some woman who's opposite of your tastes, but bear with it because it's all you can get. The only problem is that everyone is fat. If everyone could just manage a healthy BMI, it'd be a renascence in dating.
>Everyone is fat
Yes, it's been a while since I've looked at statistics, but I never noticed the third category "severe obesity" So we have "Overweight," "Obese," and "Severe Obesity."
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Add those together and what do we get? 81% of all women are fat. Eight out of ten! 50% are obese and obese++
84% of all men are fat, damn. So if you don't want to date a fatty that limits to pool to 19% and 16% respectively. It would be a renaissance, you're right, imagine expanding the dating pools by 80%. I bet we're up a few percent after the pandemic, we're approaching 90%! Wall-E wasn't supposed to be correct about the future.
 
If a woman is into you, she'll make it known.
Ye but the manner in which they make it known usually might as well be a mixture of smoke signs, ancient runes and zulu interpretive dance. I can't pick up on that shit. The only reason I ever know women are attracted to me is because their friends tell me while she's away.
 
I really don't know what to say to incels, all the advice I can give is based on my experiences which is obvious but I honestly don't know half of those experiences happened. I can give you when, where and who but the why is completely lost on me. That's the biggest problem, exploring one sexuality kind of just happens given enough time and exposure.
 
>Everyone is fat
Yes, it's been a while since I've looked at statistics, but I never noticed the third category "severe obesity" So we have "Overweight," "Obese," and "Severe Obesity."
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obesity-adult.htm#Tables

Add those together and what do we get? 81% of all women are fat. Eight out of ten! 50% are obese and obese++
84% of all men are fat, damn. So if you don't want to date a fatty that limits to pool to 19% and 16% respectively. It would be a renaissance, you're right, imagine expanding the dating pools by 80%. I bet we're up a few percent after the pandemic, we're approaching 90%! Wall-E wasn't supposed to be correct about the future.
A lot of that number is owed to so much of the population being made up of baby boomers. Old people are usually out-of-shape if not outright fat. There is definitely an obesity epidemic however, if you walk around anywhere in the U.S. half the population looks like Kelly Lenza.

Truth is any time I hear someone complain about "incels" I look at their prospects and it's like ... yeah, no shit. Not only can young men not get stable careers or own anything (like land) but your only options for a fuck are spoiled-rotten blimps with antisocial personality disorders, prescription medicine addiction & baby-daddies who have gone AWOL. I'm surprised any of the boss-level kikes in U.S. finance, business and government are even alive with this many hopeless frustrated young men with guns in existence.
 
Ye but the manner in which they make it known usually might as well be a mixture of smoke signs, ancient runes and zulu interpretive dance. I can't pick up on that shit. The only reason I ever know women are attracted to me is because their friends tell me while she's away.
"I'm completely ignoring him! How can he not tell I like him!?"

... but I'm not bitter.
 
Ye but the manner in which they make it known usually might as well be a mixture of smoke signs, ancient runes and zulu interpretive dance. I can't pick up on that shit. The only reason I ever know women are attracted to me is because their friends tell me while she's away.
Right there is your biggest problem, "their friends tell me while she's away". Stop waiting around and twiddling your thumbs. Chad and Tyrone don't wait around passively like that. Your best odds of getting a "Yes" and having a successful relationship is before she has a chance to get to know you. The longer you wait, the more she sees you as a non-romantic partner and you fade into the background for her. You don't have to worry about signals if you're taking charge and leading the conversation. Nothing can replace good social skills. Talk to everybody you know, man or woman and make friends. The rest will come naturally.
 
Right there is your biggest problem, "their friends tell me while she's away". Stop waiting around and twiddling your thumbs. Chad and Tyrone don't wait around passively like that. Your best odds of getting a "Yes" and having a successful relationship is before she has a chance to get to know you. The longer you wait, the more she sees you as a non-romantic partner and you fade into the background for her. You don't have to worry about signals if you're taking charge and leading the conversation. Nothing can replace good social skills. Talk to everybody you know, man or woman and make friends. The rest will come naturally.
My bad, I responded to that post forgetting this thread is frequented by and dedicated to the debating of incels.
I've been in really great relationships and don't have issues dating or holding a conversation and my circle of long-term friends is pretty great. I mentioned it because I do think there is a very toxic stereotype that media pushes for women to act disinterested, unavailable or aloof so that a man feels he should "hunt", which in my opinion is getting in the way of organic, transparent and emotionally mature communication. This whole idea of not being "easy" (ie open with feelings) seems like the cause of a lot of unnecessary interpersonal drama.

I also kinda disagree with going for someone before they get to know you, because that cuts both ways - how do you know you want to be with someone, potentially long term, if you don't spend time together doing mutually enjoyable activities, testing limits etc. before becoming involved romantically? I usually have like 4 or 5 dates minimum before making out and then the sex is usually pretty decent, even the first time 'round - because you're bound to talk about it beforehand so you already have a feel for eachother's likes and dislikes, which avoids awkwardness in the bedroom.
 
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Truth is any time I hear someone complain about "incels" I look at their prospects and it's like ... yeah, no shit. Not only can young men not get stable careers or own anything (like land) but your only options for a fuck are spoiled-rotten blimps with antisocial personality disorders, prescription medicine addiction & baby-daddies who have gone AWOL. I'm surprised any of the boss-level kikes in U.S. finance, business and government are even alive with this many hopeless frustrated young men with guns in existence.
For sure, that's why it's so integral that they control the means of communication and prevent people from gathering, because if people were able to physically come together the people at the top would be crushed within the year.

That's also why it's frustrating how every time incels come up there's this focus on women themselves. What the fuck are women going to do to fix this problem? Stroke shitty men's egos so they can hide from reality and avoid responsibility for the world and their community? Even if you find someone it isn't going to make everything else not be the way it is, it's not like you're going to be able to have a happy/stable/successful relationship.

I mentioned it because I do think there is a stereotype that media pushes for women to act disinterested, unavailable or aloof so that a man feels he should "hunt", which in my opinion is getting in the way of organic, transparent and emotionally mature communication.
Yeah but to be fair most people aren't autistic so it isn't really a problem just picking up on non-verbal cues.

It's weird and unattractive when women are too aggressive. Also talking about sex beforehand seems really bizarre and unarousing. It's normally a pretty intuitive process.
 
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My bad, I responded to that post forgetting this thread is frequented by and dedicated to the debating of incels.
I've been in really great relationships and don't have issues dating or holding a conversation and my circle of long-term friends is pretty great. I mentioned it because I do think there is a very toxic stereotype that media pushes for women to act disinterested, unavailable or aloof so that a man feels he should "hunt", which in my opinion is getting in the way of organic, transparent and emotionally mature communication. This whole idea of not being "easy" (ie open with feelings) seems like the cause of a lot of unnecessary interpersonal drama.

I also kinda disagree with going for someone before they get to know you, because that cuts both ways - how do you know you want to be with someone, potentially long term, if you don't spend time together doing mutually enjoyable activities, testing limits etc. before becoming involved romantically? I usually have like 4 or 5 dates minimum before making out and then the sex is usually pretty decent, even the first time 'round - because you're bound to talk about it beforehand so you already have a feel for eachother's likes and dislikes, which avoids awkwardness in the bedroom.
I don't think women are necessarily encouraged to act aloof, I think their aloof nature comes from a natural deterioration in personality and the fact we spend half of our lives on social media nowadays. It's not that they try to act to disinterested or unavailable, it's that they don't know how to act, period. To me, there's a rise in people nowadays that never grow out of that high school stage where they can talk but genuinely appearing outgoing is extremely difficult for them. They spend time in the simulation, so they live like they're in a simulation in the real world. The women that do try go out of their way to act aloof and unapproachable, I think find out very quickly they aren't making any progress once it inevitably bites them in the butt.

The reason I say date someone before you get to know them is for three reasons. The first is as you get older, you don't have high school or college or groups to rely on anymore for meeting people. You need to do the socializing on your own, so most likely, everyone is a stranger. The second is time, life just gets busy and ripping off the band-aid is easier than spending time in an odd limbo-phase. You spend time together while dating doing mutually enjoyable activities, testing limits, etc. no matter what. Adding a "will they, won't they arc" doesn't really do much. The third reason is what I said before, the more time you spend around someone, the lower your chances become. It's just a harsh truth of life. It would be nice to spend years getting to know to someone as your best friend, and then try dating and have it be successful but the reality is that it simply isn't going to happen for most people.
 
Right there is your biggest problem, "their friends tell me while she's away". Stop waiting around and twiddling your thumbs. Chad and Tyrone don't wait around passively like that. Your best odds of getting a "Yes" and having a successful relationship is before she has a chance to get to know you. The longer you wait, the more she sees you as a non-romantic partner and you fade into the background for her. You don't have to worry about signals if you're taking charge and leading the conversation. Nothing can replace good social skills. Talk to everybody you know, man or woman and make friends. The rest will come naturally.
I do disagree with this, you need to talk to people with value because who you are is a product of your close friends. There's a lot of awful people in the world, and no friends is better than bad friends. I for example hate where I live because it's a difficult commute to anything, and I think that's a major factor plaguing the world now.
Ye but the manner in which they make it known usually might as well be a mixture of smoke signs, ancient runes and zulu interpretive dance. I can't pick up on that shit. The only reason I ever know women are attracted to me is because their friends tell me while she's away.
Some can be introverted, but it sounds like you're meeting women at work rather than social situations. I've found most women who have any interest beyond casual friends will make a scene when they see you frequently, waving or smiling across the room, going out of their way to talk to you or be around you and so on. This will happen generally after a first conversation.
 
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