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Baseball would probably be more popular if the games didn't make Football seem fast and action packed and the stat people would shut the fuck up for like three seconds to let me watch the game without talking to me about spinnypoopoo and bat-anglepeepee or whatever the fuck else. The game is way over analyzed and no one who doesn't carry around a Ti-82 in their front pocket has any time for it these days.
 
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What is her accent? Her profile says Kansas, but she sounds like southern California.
KY is actually Kentucky. And while she has a bit of the SoCal valley girl going, listen closely and you'll hear her accent has a bit of twang.
 
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Baseball would probably be more popular if the games didn't make Football seem fast and action packed and the stat people would shut the fuck up for like three seconds to let me watch the game without talking to me about spinnypoopoo and bat-anglepeepee or whatever the fuck else. The game is way over analyzed and no one who doesn't carry around a Ti-82 in their front pocket has any time for it these days.
Baseball would be more popular if they made a few changes
  • Stopped paywalling their content so much (Young people want to stream, don't make MLB TV cost $95/year
  • Cheaped down their merchandise, nobody is going to spend $115-$270 on a fucking jersey. That shit should be $75 max.
  • Stopping gyping everyone at the ballpark. Why do you allow your vendors to sell $12 beer and $15 nachos?
    • Going to the ball game isn't a blue collar thing anymore, even if the tickets are cheap, everything else isn't
    • ~$35 Tickets (x) + $20 parking + $5 hot dog(x) + $6 drinks (x) + $7 beers (x) + souvenirs = too much
  • They got political, which is the dumbest possible thing to do for a sport that has an approximate 50/50 split between liberals and conservatives
  • Get a little more exciting, try to hype up your players more. This would help since we have had some of the lowest batting averages in the league in decades in the past few years.
Those are just my ideas anyway.
 
Get a little more exciting, try to hype up your players more. This would help since we have had some of the lowest batting averages in the league in decades in the past few years.
I agree whole heartedly with everything you've said about watching the game being a nightmare and this is exactly the kind of thing that I hate the stat faggots for. Huge part of the reason for that low RBI thing we have going on right now? Spinrate and grip enhancers, the first is stat bros the second is the league not wanting to tackle a cheating controversy that could potentially be bigger than the whole doping epidemic of the eighties and nineties.
 
Baseball would be more popular if they made a few changes
  • Stopped paywalling their content so much (Young people want to stream, don't make MLB TV cost $95/year
  • Cheaped down their merchandise, nobody is going to spend $115-$270 on a fucking jersey. That shit should be $75 max.
  • Stopping gyping everyone at the ballpark. Why do you allow your vendors to sell $12 beer and $15 nachos?
    • Going to the ball game isn't a blue collar thing anymore, even if the tickets are cheap, everything else isn't
    • ~$35 Tickets (x) + $20 parking + $5 hot dog(x) + $6 drinks (x) + $7 beers (x) + souvenirs = too much
  • They got political, which is the dumbest possible thing to do for a sport that has an approximate 50/50 split between liberals and conservatives
  • Get a little more exciting, try to hype up your players more. This would help since we have had some of the lowest batting averages in the league in decades in the past few years.
Those are just my ideas anyway.
Correct me if I'm totally off-base with this, since I've never been into sports, but isn't part of the decline also that the teams don't really feel like "your" team anymore?
It's not really a bunch of "Your boys" showing off how much better they are than the other guys, it's just a bunch of strangers purchased by corporations out of the college leagues.
 
Correct me if I'm totally off-base with this, since I've never been into sports, but isn't part of the decline also that the teams don't really feel like "your" team anymore?
It's not really a bunch of "Your boys" showing off how much better they are than the other guys, it's just a bunch of strangers purchased by corporations out of the college leagues.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=61TMtH3Qw4s
Not really? Every sports team in a national division has been like that for at least a couple decades by now. The issue is that national level sports have all become some combination of more political, less entertaining, less available, and more expensive recently. Unfortunately for the MLB they've managed to hit all four.

Now college sports? They're in a real nasty bind since they're dealing with all of the above AND the problem you just put forward of a small tradition laden pageant that is being forced to lose it's identity to appeal to a wider national audience.
 
I like sandman a lot better than one punch man though. You could make the same comparison with a lot of manga panels versus western capeshit art that looks kewl so its not exactly fair, people used to do just that all the time when i was on art forums.
You like sandman because of the writing not the art. The art in sandman is treated as disposable and I would argue with downright contempt by whomever is forced to draw it.

It and most comic book art are treated like throwaway storyboards because the people writing comics don't actually like comics and would rather be writing movies, whereas most mangakas actually like manga for being manga, not storyboards for anime.

Someone else in the threat brought up the fact that the original OPM webcomic is a literal shitpost and that's true, the art is hillariously bad, but its stylistically bad to the point of forming its own identity and wrapping back around to being kino. I read the webcomic and the manga and ONE has actually improved his art a lot in recent chapters, but he's done it without losing the charm and identity of the orignals.

Everyone who sees a panel from the OPM webcomic will instantly recognize it because its has an identity and heart, Its so bad its good, and its bad in a memorable and funny way.

Sandman (and most western comics) on the other hand occupy the most detestible position of being bland mediocrity hated by the people who write them and treated as disposable by those who draw them, they have little soul and no heart because nobody cares when making them.
 
You like sandman because of the writing not the art. The art in sandman is treated as disposable and I would argue with downright contempt by whomever is forced to draw it.

It and most comic book art are treated like throwaway storyboards because the people writing comics don't actually like comics and would rather be writing movies, whereas most mangakas actually like manga for being manga, not storyboards for anime.

Someone else in the threat brought up the fact that the original OPM webcomic is a literal shitpost and that's true, the art is hillariously bad, but its stylistically bad to the point of forming its own identity and wrapping back around to being kino. I read the webcomic and the manga and ONE has actually improved his art a lot in recent chapters, but he's done it without losing the charm and identity of the orignals.

Everyone who sees a panel from the OPM webcomic will instantly recognize it because its has an identity and heart, Its so bad its good, and its bad in a memorable and funny way.

Sandman (and most western comics) on the other hand occupy the most detestible position of being bland mediocrity hated by the people who write them and treated as disposable by those who draw them, they have little soul and no heart because nobody cares when making them.
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American comics are designed by comitee and repeatedly republish the same shit over and over and over. Its why batman has 39 "First issues" made by 300 different people and why marvel had to kill off spiderman's entire character arc with one more day because it meant they couldn't milk it anymore if he actually grew as a character. Its also why we have 837 seperate spidermans. Originality and creativity are intentionally supressed due to being risky and nearly all comics are controlled by marvel or DC.

Shonen jump works by publishing different chapters from different mangas on each issue and seeing what sells. If you buy shonen jump this week for jojo 83 or whatever you're also going to be exposed to various other smaller projects that you might like giving them free exposure and giving their artists a chance to shine by being attached to a bigger project.

The distribution system inherently gives independant artists far more opportunity to flourish and make a name for themselves if they create something new that genuinely intrests people. Ontop of that most mangas are drawn and illustrated by one guy with a vision instead of a comitee aiming to please an algorithically calculated lowest common denominator.


No mater which way you slice it, mangas and their distribution system promotes creativity, innovation and quality over the american system which is a stagnant shitpit of recycled ideas and people who hate the medium.

tl;dr

Stay mad capeshitter.
 
American comics are designed by comitee and repeatedly republish the same shit over and over and over. Its why batman has 39 "First issues" made by 300 different people and why marvel had to kill off spiderman's entire character arc with one more day because it meant they couldn't milk it anymore if he actually grew as a character. Its also why we have 837 seperate spidermans. Originality and creativity are intentionally supressed due to being risky and nearly all comics are controlled by marvel or DC.

Shonen jump works by publishing different chapters from different mangas on each issue and seeing what sells. If you buy shonen jump this week for jojo 83 or whatever you're also going to be exposed to various other smaller projects that you might like giving them free exposure and giving their artists a chance to shine by being attached to a bigger project.

The distribution system inherently gives independant artists far more opportunity to flourish and make a name for themselves if they create something new that genuinely intrests people. Ontop of that most mangas are drawn and illustrated by one guy with a vision instead of a comitee aiming to please an algorithically calculated lowest common denominator.


No mater which way you slice it, mangas and their distribution system promotes creativity, innovation and quality over the american system which is a stagnant shitpit of recycled ideas and people who hate the medium.

tl;dr

Stay mad capeshitter.
I would like to add onto this as Disney is also gobbling up as much studios as they can, And also the Mainstream Anime is also rife with Overused tropes. Look at Isekai as an example.
 
I would like to add onto this as Disney is also gobbling up as much studios as they can, And also the Mainstream Anime is also rife with Overused tropes. Look at Isekai as an example.
Of course anime and manga have their own overused tropes,but the difference is that the system is built in such a way that its possible for a complete nobody to make something groundbreaking and propel it to worldwide fame in SPITE of those. Comics don't even have that ability.

The guy who made demon slayer was a literal nobody that happened to make a well crafted story and get it published on shonen jump (like every single other independant manga) and the rest is history.

And besides, even with overused tropes, at least their tropes that different autists/schizos give their own interpretation version of with no real limit or restriction.

30 different mangakas making their own take on isekai in their basement are still miles and leagues ahead of 30 comitees made up of 300 people each releasing 3000 new first edition spidermans.

And this is coming from someone who thinks isekai is unredeemable undiluted sewage.
 
No mater which way you slice it, mangas and their distribution system promotes creativity, innovation and quality over the american system which is a stagnant shitpit of recycled ideas and people who hate the medium.

tl;dr

Stay mad capeshitter.
So what’s the highest selling Manga title and what’s its monthly sales rate? Bc the sales numbers I’ve seen bandied about are insanely low based on the population and popularity.

Also it sounds like their distribution system is just another form of Marvel capeshit gatekeeping, forcing you to purchase ancillary titles for forced exposure to other properties. Or are these literal reprints that the fans don’t need to purchase?

Not trolling, just curious if both the manga and comics sales trajectories are similar.
 
So what’s the highest selling Manga title and what’s its monthly sales rate? Bc the sales numbers I’ve seen bandied about are insanely low based on the population and popularity.

Also it sounds like their distribution system is just another form of Marvel capeshit gatekeeping, forcing you to purchase ancillary titles for forced exposure to other properties. Or are these literal reprints that the fans don’t need to purchase?

Not trolling, just curious if both the manga and comics sales trajectories are similar.
Well to put it into perspective Weekly Shonen Jump's lowest sales point since the 1970's (it started publication in 1968 although the first western publication was 2002) was 2021, where it bottomed out at 1,371,818 copies per week between July and September of that year. Jump's sales peak was in 1995 with 6.53 million copies per week. However there really isn't much of a comparison with western comics because the publishing format of Weekly Shonen Jump is so far removed from western comics. Jump is a weekly anthology magazine which publishes a collection of various manga strips every week. These weekly strips are called chapters. A chapter of manga is usually between 9 and 30 pages depending on the mangaka (the writer and artist who is typically either a single person or two person partnership, or a very small team, think less than six people). These chapters are published weekly in various different magazines like Jump until they either fail to perform to a satisfactory standards in the Jump popularity polls or they are ended by the author. These chapters are often collated into standalone books called collected volumes which are just an uninterrupted collection of the weekly chapters usually with a bonus strip or two along with some small side stories, author's notes, and bonus art for extra content. These collected volumes are often sold as standalone books. The reason why you can't really compare the two is because most manga is picked up by weekly manga magazines and published along side a dozen or so other mangas every week in one place where you could as a reader buy the single magazine and then read everything in it whether you bought the magazine for that specific manga or not.

As for individual manga the highest selling manga of all time is probably One Piece, which is part of Weekly Shonen Jump and has been since 1997, it has over 100 collected volumes and is one of if not the most valuable animated properties on the planet. Naruto and Bleach are both also Weekly Shonen Jump titles that have since wrapped up, Dragonball was in Weekly Shonen Jump and so was Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Pretty much every popular action and comedy anime series from the past twenty or thirty years had it's start as a Weekly Shonen Jump manga.

As for the specific sales numbers there's this wikipedia article but it can be difficult to find concrete numbers for either industry. Asking around in something like the Comicsgate communities would probably be the best place to get actual sales numbers for western comics and there's always some weeb with a business degree willing to pour over manga sales figures on Reddit or 4chan if you ask nicely.

TL;DR: It's almost impossible to directly compare the two but western comics cannot hope to compete for sheer numbers.
 
Correct me if I'm totally off-base with this, since I've never been into sports, but isn't part of the decline also that the teams don't really feel like "your" team anymore?
It's not really a bunch of "Your boys" showing off how much better they are than the other guys, it's just a bunch of strangers purchased by corporations out of the college leagues.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=61TMtH3Qw4s
It’s Jews buying spics from the island like how the NBA is Jews buying niggers from the hood.

Hockey is the only watcheable sport
 
You like sandman because of the writing not the art. The art in sandman is treated as disposable and I would argue with downright contempt by whomever is forced to draw it.
Same series, multiple artists:
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Same series, multiple artists:
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(Yes I know this isn't a fair comparison because the process is different, but you still see the point I'm trying to make here.)

I would like to add onto this as Disney is also gobbling up as much studios as they can
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Take it to the weeb board already. No one here cares about autistic debates over whether tranny capeshit or pedo capeshit is better.
 
Getting back on topic: For those who have had hobbies ruined by collectors, what is some of the most overpriced shit you have seen for sale?

As a mototard I saw this on ebay.
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Marc Marcez is an active racer that goes to fan conventions every now and then. He is considered a top of the line racer, but since MotoGP is a niche sport his autograph is not particularly valuable. In charity auctions (which are always overpriced) his autograph has historically sold for between $110 and $500 depending on what he signed and what charity this is going to. His autograph is not THAT hard to get, and if you wanted to meet him and get a picture/autograph with him and the rest of Team Honda (and other teams) you could get into MotoGP VIP Village for $1050 for one day or $1,400 for two days, which includes his autograph and a bunch of other autographs (and a breakfast, track day, and other perks). The fender itself (as a fucking motorcycle part) is only worth about $300 on a bad day and $500 on a good day. All together the value of the part, if I am being generous, would still be far under $1,000. Note that an OEM fender new (this one is clearly not new and somewhat faded) can go for $2,000 but the fact that this is autographed means that it would never be placed on an actual motorcycle as it would ruin the autograph. Non-OEM parts (and keep in mind, we have no way of verifying either the autograph or the OEM as both markets are full of counterfiets) are about $300.

Still, this person has the balls to charge nearly $4,000 for this easily obtained autograph on an easily obtained fender. Nobody is ever going to buy this piece of shit, but it will make the uninformed believed that their motoGP shit is valuable.
 
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