The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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Can we get back on topic please? Aves you can suck up to deniers in DM or on their profile pages (weird move, since it is obvious you know they are dumb, but I guess everyone needs friends). If my stalker or someone else wants to make false allegations about me, he can make a separate thread for that.

Let us talk about Holocaust denial and evidence for the Holocaust and denier books and arguments here.
 
History Speaks said:
Can we get back on topic please?
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All demographics denying the Holocaust should be addressed. Arent you interested in countering all Holocaust deniers? Or just white ones?
History Speaks said:
Aves you can suck up to deniers in DM or on their profile pages (weird move, since it is obvious you know they are dumb, but I guess everyone needs friends).
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Clearly you take offense at dissent. Not a good quality in anyone, let alone an aspiring academic.
History Speaks said:
If my stalker or someone else wants to make false allegations about me, he can make a separate thread for that.
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Don't backseat moderate.
And your refusal to discuss Muslims reveals a racist bias, which shouldn't exist in historians. You cannot be trusted to be objective with history or the Holocaust until you address the Muslim world and its attitude towards and acceptance of the facts of the Shoah. These are relevant to the discussion.
History Speaks said:
Let us talk about Holocaust denial and evidence for the Holocaust and denier books and arguments here.
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Ah yes, only subtopics which further your career. No more uncomfortable questions about Islam or Muslims, huh. What looked like a blind spot is now clearly a racial bias. You'll only criticize white people.
 
History Speaks said:
Can we get back on topic please? Aves you can suck up to deniers in DM or on their profile pages (weird move, since it is obvious you know they are dumb, but I guess everyone needs friends). If my stalker or someone else wants to make false allegations about me, he can make a separate thread for that.

Let us talk about Holocaust denial and evidence for the Holocaust and denier books and arguments here.
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Why so serious? I’m just having fun, this is kiwifarms after all. You and mrolonzo take these Holocaust discussions too seriously.

The only reason I am here right now is for mrolonzo (or anyone else) to offer a good explanation as to why there exists basically no witness statements or infrastructure or what not that these Jews were in fact sent east or scattered.
 
Aves said:
Why so serious? I’m just having fun, this is kiwifarms after all. You and mrolonzo take these Holocaust discussions too seriously.

The only reason I am here right now is for mrolonzo (or anyone else) to offer a good explanation as to why there exists basically no witness statements or infrastructure or what not that these Jews were in fact sent east or scattered.
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What do you think places like Treblinka and the other eastern transit camps were? They are all located on rail gage changes. Since you can't take a German train further east, you'd need a place to keep people before putting them on trains even more eastward. The evidence is before you. If you want evidence of further encampments even more eastward, that puts it in Soviet controlled territory, so you are basically asking for the Soviets to incriminate themselves, which is hilarious.

There's record of many places increasing their Jewish population by tend of thousands post war, which suggests they were moving around.

We can also look at modern conflicts like Ukraine, where jews organised a community wide escape before things actually erupted, which suggests they would do the same in other cases.

We also know they lobied to keep religion off of immigration and census forms in the USA, suggesting they were hiding greater numbers of jews being here than publicly known.

Places like Shanghai were probably used as transit ports, where a large community would help coordinate destinations for immigrants to USA, Isreal, or other places.
 
Bonesjones said:
Places like Shanghai were probably used as transit ports
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About 20,000 Jews went to Shanghai during the Nazi era. They were not resettled by the Nazis, but were refugees who fled on their own accord (most were German or Austrian and left before the Holocaust began).

The movement of these Jews was well-documented by the Chinese and Japanese authorities. (Eventually they were ghettoized by the Japanese, under German prodding - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Ghetto).

So no, the Jewish community of Shanghai does not explain where the millions of Jews who disappeared in the Nazi camp system went. LMFAO.
 
History Speaks said:
About 20,000 Jews went to Shanghai during the Nazi era. They were not resettled by the Nazis, but were refugees who fled on their own accord (most were German or Austrian and left before the Holocaust began).

The movement of these Jews was well-documented by the Chinese and Japanese authorities. (Eventually they were ghettoized by the Japanese, under German prodding - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Ghetto).

So no, the Jewish community of Shanghai does not explain where the millions of Jews who disappeared in the Nazi camp system went. LMFAO.
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"Yes jews showing up in places they didn't before when they are supposed to be dead isn't evidence that they weren't killed. I am a genius."
 
Bonesjones said:
If you want evidence of further encampments even more eastward, that puts it in Soviet controlled territory, so you are basically asking for the Soviets to incriminate themselves, which is hilarious.
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Mrolonzo says that the Jews actually “scattered to the winds” so even he disagrees that the Jews were sent mostly to the East. Secondly, we have records of many Soviet massacres and deportations of much smaller scales. You can look up Chechen deportations in Soviet Union. Why not Jewish deportations or massacres?
Bonesjones said:
We can also look at modern conflicts like Ukraine, where jews organised a community wide escape before things actually erupted, which suggests they would do the same in other cases.
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I know Jews escaped from Nazi Germany, I am specifically referring to Jews who were supposedly “evacuated” to the east that I cannot find.
Bonesjones said:
We also know they lobied to keep religion off of immigration and census forms in the USA, suggesting they were hiding greater numbers of jews being here than publicly known.
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Can you link me this? This also goes against mrolonzo, because he said some time ago that Jews “love to tell everyone around them they are Jewish.” I’d love to learn more about this.
Bonesjones said:
Places like Shanghai were probably used as transit ports, where a large community would help coordinate destinations for immigrants to USA, Isreal, or other places.
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And in literally 2 minutes I found witness proof that they existed in Shanghai. Imagine what a historian who spends 6 gorillion hours on the holocaust could find on these “evacuated” Jews.

That’s my point. If these Jews were really transported east or “scattered to the winds” they would leave copious amounts of witnesses and infrastructure showing they lived there. Yet, there exists almost nothing for these Jews. I can’t find any Jews testifying they were sent east.

Why?
 
Bonesjones said:
What do you think places like Treblinka and the other eastern transit camps were? They are all located on rail gage changes. Since you can't take a German train further east, you'd need a place to keep people before putting them on trains even more eastward.
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actually gauges changed at the borders of pre-war Poland, which were hundreds of km east of the reinhard camps. And Chelmno, another supposed transit camp, was in the middle of the general government, and Jews sent there from Litzmannstadt Ghetto were deported west

Bonesjones said:
If you want evidence of further encampments even more eastward, that puts it in Soviet controlled territory, so you are basically asking for the Soviets to incriminate themselves, which is hilarious.
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incriminate? why?
 
Chugger said:
you mean before this thread attracted posters with in-depth knowledge
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Nah, when it became filled with shills incapable of even admitting the most basic of chemistry mistakes and even covering for each other instead of laughing at each other when they make a mistake.

That's how you can tell it's tourism from people that actually hate the site, but want to push their agenda.
 
Lemmingwise said:
Nah, when it became filled with shills incapable of even admitting the most basic of chemistry mistakes and even covering for each other instead of laughing at each other when they make a mistake.

That's how you can tell it's tourism from people that actually hate the site, but want to push their agenda.
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well I have no idea what you mean by a shill (you haven't explained this conspiracy theory if it is one), but it doesn't matter because you've been shellacked (shillacked?) on the historical arguments so bad you had to beg off the thread. it's a debate thread. bye bye
 
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Also everyone knows the Iraqi war was a sham.
Everyone, including the government admits that there were no WMDs in Iraq
 
History Speaks said:
Do you also think that instances of Stolen Valor concerning the Iraq War prove that the Iraq War never happened?

Impressively stupid argument.
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>present evidence that conflicts with the official narrative
>don't even make an argument, just present the evidence as is
>"HURR DURR ARE YOU SAYING THIS SINGLEHANDEDLY DISPROVES THE ENTIRE HOLOCAUST HURR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
Why are pro Holocaust people like this? Why can't you just engage what's being presented instead of attacking a strawman?
 
The existence of frauds who falsely pretend they suffered in event x do not prove event x did not happen. If you apply this logic consistently, then instances of stolen valor would disprove the Iraq War, the Vietnam War, World War II, etc happened.

It is, as I said, genuinely impressive how stupid you are.
 
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