Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

[DapperShark]

must admit to having a bee in my bonnet over the Aston Martin F1 team. Apart from Sebs p2 in Baku last year, it has been mostly shit. Especially as it come about after axing the WEC operation, which was a competitive outfit. Just so the strolls can play race driver and team owner

Spoiler: ferrari wec results

ferrari was leading a 1-2 at the 6hrs of monza then on the final lap they both had to pit for fuel FFS

I'm salty over Aston Martin too, the WEC gave them a lot of concessions with the new Hypercar regs so their road based Valkyrie could stand a chance against thoroughbred prototypes, this resulted in things like Glickenhaus having to switch engines mid development and weight being increased to the point that the new LMH cars are over 10 seconds slower than LMP1 and initially could barely stay ahead of the already nerfed to shit LMP2s, and then both the Valkyrie program and the GT team get cancelled all so daddy Stroll could make his useless kid feel like a real F1 driver. And that's not all, the Valkyrie LMH was eventually completed but is being sold as one of those useless track day only cars that will never race anywhere (also they had the gall to claim their unregulated shitbox would lap La Sarthe faster than any LMH car lol).

When they said it during the parade lap my mind immediately went to racist anti-lewis posters or something, not that a few fans said they got harassed by other fans. And the constructors are all going along with this too, very puzzling.

lol it's just meaningless corporate virtue signalling, also none of the retards screeching about this are actual F1 fans or know anything about motorsports in general, it's just the same pozzed Current Year+8 bullshit that gets inserted in anything remotely popular.

 

[Coccxys]

I think it's time for daddy stroll to fuck off back to selling overpriced clothing to rich idiots. It doesn't matter if its any good just as long as you slap the right logo on it. It feels like that's his ethos with motorsports too.

He's taken over a company entirely out of his area of experience and it seems like he thought a high end company is a high end company so how hard can it be.

That team has long been a team based on outperforming its budget, it did impressive things with Otmar running the show and what they could find down the back of the settee as a budget. Now they have stroll pouring money into the thing, buying manufacturers to link them to the team and driving out people like Otmar who know what the fuck they're doing.

Did anyone else watch the AM lauch this year? Did anyone detect even the slightest hint of passion from the guy towards either F1 of AM the company? For a guy who supposedly loves cars and owns a track in canada he doesn't seem to treat is as anything other than another business.

 

[Becky McDonald]

That team has long been a team based on outperforming its budget

Cases in point:

 

[blablabla]

I would bet my house that the people making these claims on Twitter were never actually at the fucking race.

Edit: oh for fuck sakes they aren't even hiding what they are doing. These two clowns make a claim on Twitter and now teams are giving them access and more attention.

This certainly isn't going to encourage more of this bullshit.

vettel and that shitbox team aston martin need to fuck off from the grid. except hambone everyone want to just race and win.

 

[Coccxys]

Current contract status for 2023




Plenty of gaps for new young drivers, let's hope a few go that way to ease the F2 bottleneck (Piastri not having a seat would be criminal).

 

[Becky McDonald]

Current contract status for 2023

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Plenty of gaps for new young drivers, let's hope a few go that way to ease the F2 bottleneck (Piastri not having a seat would be criminal).

What F1 needs is another team or two. There are too many drivers stuck in F2 like Vips, Lawson, Drugovich, Sargent and Ticktum simply because there is no room for them.
That, or there needs to be a relegation system where the 2 lowest-performing drivers (or alternately in the case of 2021, the worst driver from the 2 lowest-performing teams, which would have been Mazepin and Giovinazzi) get booted back to F2 in exchange for the champion and runner-up.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

A strategic race where the mechanical gremlins were working as hard as the stewards, who were really intent on grinding balls today.

I love the Austrian scenery. I used to ski out there and wish that I still could. The mind craves novelty and I enjoy the spectacle of F1 cars going uphill.

My favourite moment in the race were those five cars all hitting the turn at the same time. There was an 'okay, no-one do anything retarded' moment just before the apex, where everyone visibly stopped racing and assumed a loose X formation like the spots on a die.

Other than that, the usual lackadaisical race direction and commentary estranged from the goings-on on the circuit. If Crofty utters the word 'switcheroo' one more time, I hope the next sound out of his mouth is a pained grunt as Brundle slaps the dumb out of him.

 

[blablabla]

the spanish and latin america feed are so much better. yes of course they root for saiz/alonso and checo but the sky| sound legit retarded

 

[Coccxys]

What F1 needs is another team or two. There are too many drivers stuck in F2 like Vips, Lawson, Drugovich, Sargent and Ticktum simply because there is no room for them.
That, or there needs to be a relegation system where the 2 lowest-performing drivers (or alternately in the case of 2021, the worst driver from the 2 lowest-performing teams, which would have been Mazepin and Giovinazzi) get booted back to F2 in exchange for the champion and runner-up.

The problem is the teams have reversed the driver merry go round of the early 2000s where they ejected drivers mid season just because without giving them time to settle into the sport, team etc. Now they seem to hang on to drivers who are just OK letting them block a seat for multiple seasons despite them being unlikely to ever be right up top.

As much as I like Yuki for example he's decent and definitely improved since his entry to the sport but he's not champion material and there are plenty of better drivers coming through the Red Bull junior program.

They almost need to put an expiry on super licenses over say 3 seasons where you need to get a set amount of points to renew it with different activities like beating your teammate or finishing in the top 10 carrying a small number of those points. It would eject those who have no hope but a big bank account.

If we're going to have a relegation type system it shouldn't be to blocking F2 seats it should be to formula E. The ultimate shame. It's then up to the driver if they take the seat in the washing machine or go with the honorable seppuku option.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

So you're not only saying that Kimi is a bad driver, but also disregard that Vettel had most overtakes last season?

Yes. Prime Kimi was beaten by Massa for fucks sake. And absolutely murdered by Alonso. He's been beaten by more teammates than he's beaten over his career.

Who cares how many overtakes he had? Qualifying lower than you should in a good car gets you a lot of overtakes. And again his only benchmark is Stroll. As I said, Vettel's gap to Stroll was smaller than Perez's. And no one considers Perez a top driver.

 

[Becky McDonald]

Yes. Prime Kimi was beaten by Massa for fucks sake. And absolutely murdered by Alonso. He's been beaten by more teammates than he's beaten over his career.

Who cares how many overtakes he had? Qualifying lower than you should in a good car gets you a lot of overtakes. And again his only benchmark is Stroll. As I said, Vettel's gap to Stroll was smaller than Perez's. And no one considers Perez a top driver.

Kimi didn't even beat Nick Heidfeld in 2001.

The only team-mates Kimi ever beat in his career were Coulthard in 2003 & 4 (because by that point you could tell he had it + was getting older), and Montoya in 2005 & 6 (because McLaren didn't suit him at all and lead to him ultimately leaving F1 for NASCAR), along with the aforementioned Giovinazzi at Alfa (mainly because he was a bit of a shitter and a rookie). Every other driver he went up against, particularly during his Ferrari days, wiped the floor with him.

For some reason, after 2006 (particularly his "I was having a shit" interview), Raikkonen lost his competitive spirit, perhaps after one too many McLaren mechanical failures. He somehow found a way to phone it in for more than a decade and keep his seat.

Sure, he took the Lotus way beyond where it belonged, but some have theorised that car was actually the best of those seasons, and Kimi took it nowhere near its actual limit.

 

[blablabla]

put jamie chadwick or that girl who got pole at wec with the iron lynx. not that dyke from aston martin. that entire outfit needs to go

 

[Pee Cola]

Honestly, I assumed that when you had hundreds of thousands of attendees there would unfortunately be a few cases of this type of harassment, especially the less violent actions such as catcalling

I'd love to see what these faggots would make of crowds on the top of the mountain at the Bathurst 1000. Bear in mind this is where each spectator is limited to bringing 24 cans of beer per day with them.

 

[Becky McDonald]

put jamie chadwick or that girl who got pole at wec with the iron lynx. not that dyke from aston martin. that entire outfit needs to go

Chadders is cute, but she needs more time in a car faster than the anemic things they drive in the L Series though.

 

[Pee Cola]

Current contract status for 2023

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Plenty of gaps for new young drivers, let's hope a few go that way to ease the F2 bottleneck (Piastri not having a seat would be criminal).

You'd think that Piastri to Alpine would be a logical move for 2023, assuming Alonso retires again at the end of 2022. Unless ofc McLaren and Ricciardo part ways, in which case Piastri would most likely end up at McLaren instead.

 

[Leon Breitling]

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This got patched. Ferrari durability is at 85* by default now. I forget the others offhand. Might need to get patched again at this rate, though. Jesus.
Edited for accuracy.

 

[Calzaghe]

Chadwick is cute af

What happens to my boy Drugovich next year?

 

[JustStopDude]

What F1 needs is another team or two. There are too many drivers stuck in F2 like Vips, Lawson, Drugovich, Sargent and Ticktum simply because there is no room for them.
That, or there needs to be a relegation system where the 2 lowest-performing drivers (or alternately in the case of 2021, the worst driver from the 2 lowest-performing teams, which would have been Mazepin and Giovinazzi) get booted back to F2 in exchange for the champion and runner-up.

You get rid of the guys whose parents are paying for their seats, you have fewer teams. Williams doesn't exist anymore if Latifi's dad stops paying to keep the lights on. Same with Aston Martin and papa Stroll. Aston Martin the car brand is different than the F1 team. They would just pull out rather than float the entire cost.

As per bringing in more teams, an F1 team is a fucking money pit. The FIA and F1 don't want to deal with teams going under midway through the season.

Pretty much you need to find someone really good with money, who is also retarded with it. That rarely happens unless it involves your kid.

 

[A.P. Hill]

What F1 needs is another team or two. There are too many drivers stuck in F2 like Vips, Lawson, Drugovich, Sargent and Ticktum simply because there is no room for them.
That, or there needs to be a relegation system where the 2 lowest-performing drivers (or alternately in the case of 2021, the worst driver from the 2 lowest-performing teams, which would have been Mazepin and Giovinazzi) get booted back to F2 in exchange for the champion and runner-up.

I only see the Indy 500 in Sargeant's future. The F1 bottleneck ends up killing the Indy pipeline too because teams with an open seat would rather pick up a F2 driver who can't find a seat instead of invest in developing homegrown American talent.

 

[Mikoyan]

I only see the Indy 500 in Sargeant's future. The F1 bottleneck ends up killing the Indy pipeline too because teams with an open seat would rather pick up a F2 driver who can't find a seat instead of invest in developing homegrown American talent.

I realize now that there are two things that are perceived as good things (and really are good things, but that's another story) that, no matter if you're into the FIA formula pipeline, sports cars, Indy or Cup, are super canceraids on the modern era:

1: Pretty much nobody dies anymore. Yeah, sometimes it happens, but very infrequently. Thus people don't quit before they get killed, or stay in until they're killed. There used to be a ton more churn, now we marvel (for some reason) at twilight career dudes in their mid 40s. In the old days, people who stayed in for more than a few years had to have just the right combo of skill and extreme luck, the Foyts, Andrettis and Pettys of the world. This also influences the pay drivers. If you put a Stroll or a Mazepin in a 70s F1 car they'll be missing 95% of their skin and 99% of their brain function in short order. It's unfortunate, but the pipeline didn't clog in the old days in part because it was self-unclogging.

2: The loss of the literal fucking mountains of cig money reducing opportunities. Pretty straightforward.