Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Shovelbird]

deciding "this faggot is a retard and has no real authority over us, let's take our gear and gtfo". Not to mention that your army has to be a lot more coherent fighting against a real threat.

Battlefield Bad Company Ukrainian deserter heists when?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It doesn't help that NCO ranks have become a tool for military diversity hires. There was a time not that long ago when a Marine sergeant was capable of taking over a platoon if the officer and SNCO were killed. Now, a ton of E-4s and E-5s are malingering women or minorities with high PFT scores that have no practical fleet experience. I'd love to know the demographic statistics of meritorious promotion boards, but I'd be willing to bet it doesn't skew towards merit. If you're competing against a woman or minority for meritorious promotion, you might as well not even show up.

The military cares as much or more about optics than it does combat readiness, and having a ton of black/female leadership makes for great photo ops. Unfortunately that often doesn't translate to operational efficiency. I can count the competent female NCOs I've met on 1 finger, and she was practically a man anyways. I ended up under a command where the Sergeant Major was a black supremacist, and it became immediately apparent when a lot of experienced white guys were being replaced in their billet by totally inexperienced black guys and gals that had been fast tracked through the ranks. We had a young black E-3 that checked into our unit that ended up picking up sergeant within his first year in the fleet. That's practically impossible in the Marines. He never had the benefit of climbing the ranks naturally and was thrust into a position of leadership he wasn't close to being prepared for. Imagine your only experience is basic training and being put in charge of guys on their 2nd enlistment and 4th combat deployment. One day he walked into the SgtMaj's office, dropped a line of cocaine on his desk, and sniffed it up. The stress of being put into a situation he didn't have the experience to handle made him hit the wall, and he felt like his only option was to get out. We never saw him again, but had he stuck around he would have has an extremely successful career. They denied him the ability to learn the ropes and probably ruined his life over it, all because they wanted to create an image of diversity in leadership and had to abandon merit to achieve that.

That goes for the officers too, one who wanted to write up someone for wearing a Gadsden patch, in Afghanistan, because it was a symbol of white supremacy, even though it's an authorized Naval standard and black soldiers were wearing it too.

 

[White_N]

Is that a tranny?

Can't you see that it's a true and honest woman?

 

[Simpadoo]

Decentralizing command is great and all but I question the value of giving too much autonomy to individual NCOs when you're trying to fight a real war and not an insurgency. Nobody's going to desert and join the Taliban or walk into the Registan desert because two of the guys in their unit got injured in a month, but when casualty rates reach 40%, the odds look worse every day and you're under constant artillery bombardment and contact with superiors is spotty at best or straight up non-existent, having someone around higher ranking than a Corporal or Sergeant is key to your men not just deciding "this faggot is a retard and has no real authority over us, let's take our gear and gtfo". Not to mention that your army has to be a lot more coherent fighting against a real threat.

That's not to say having a gorillion generals is ideal either, because it really isn't, but I think there's definitely a good middle ground to hit that can be adjusted with more experience eventually (well, hopefully not). I think the US is already near that middle ground and further decentralization of command may not really yield any relevant fruit unless the US is specifically gearing to exclusively fight counter-insurgencies.

I don’t know the particulars but I believe that most of the West top military is going to this based on several war games that have proven its effectiveness.

Maybe it’s in the military publications, if not the US, probably the UK ones.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

It doesn't help that NCO ranks have become a tool for military diversity hires. There was a time not that long ago when a Marine sergeant was capable of taking over a platoon if the officer and SNCO were killed. Now, a ton of E-4s and E-5s are malingering women or minorities with high PFT scores that have no practical fleet experience. I'd love to know the demographic statistics of meritorious promotion boards, but I'd be willing to bet it doesn't skew towards merit. If you're competing against a woman or minority for meritorious promotion, you might as well not even show up.

The military cares as much or more about optics than it does combat readiness, and having a ton of black/female leadership makes for great photo ops. Unfortunately that often doesn't translate to operational efficiency. I can count the competent female NCOs I've met on 1 finger, and she was practically a man anyways. I ended up under a command where the Sergeant Major was a black supremacist, and it became immediately apparent when a lot of experienced white guys were being replaced in their billet by totally inexperienced black guys and gals that had been fast tracked through the ranks. We had a young black E-3 that checked into our unit that ended up picking up sergeant within his first year in the fleet. That's practically impossible in the Marines. He never had the benefit of climbing the ranks naturally and was thrust into a position of leadership he wasn't close to being prepared for. Imagine your only experience is basic training and being put in charge of guys on their 2nd enlistment and 4th combat deployment. One day he walked into the SgtMaj's office, dropped a line of cocaine on his desk, and sniffed it up. The stress of being put into a situation he didn't have the experience to handle made him hit the wall, and he felt like his only option was to get out. We never saw him again, but had he stuck around he would have has an extremely successful career. They denied him the ability to learn the ropes and probably ruined his life over it, all because they wanted to create an image of diversity in leadership and had to abandon merit to achieve that.

Combat MOSs have almost no minorities. I was in infantry and it was 99% white, .5 Asian, and two lost black guys in battalion. POG units def suffer those problems of diversity promotions, and admittedly had a black 1sgt that has no right being in that position. Was literally a fucking drug addict that was their due to skin color.

Militaries get soft. Hire based on quotas. Get into serious war and get fucked up. Get their head outta their ass and once again shuffle back to non-PC system. Once war is over, give decade or so, your back to minority hires and females in positions they have no business being in

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Can't you see that it's a true and honest woman?

I had to look her up (again? I don't know if she has been posted here before and I just forgot)
and yes she is a tranny.

Those cheek bones and fake and unconvincing attempt at a feminine voice gave it away.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Combat MOSs have almost no minorities. I was in infantry and it was 99% white, .5 Asian, and two lost black guys in battalion. POG units def suffer those problems of diversity promotions, and admittedly had a black 1sgt that has no right being in that position. Was literally a fucking drug addict that was their due to skin color.

Militaries get soft. Hire based on quotas. Get into serious war and get fucked up. Get their head outta their ass and once again shuffle back to non-PC system. Once war is over, give decade or so, your back to minority hires and females in positions they have no business being in

Infantry is unique in its ability to self regulate. Being temporarily attached to 3/8 taught me that when they have a shitbag, they haze them to the point of suicide then dump them off on the headquarters squadron where they are less likely to get someone killed. POGs are forced to deal with it because our leadership is unwilling to look the other way when the time comes to beat someone with a bar of soap.

 

[Shovelbird]

Infantry is unique in its ability to self regulate. Being temporarily attached to 3/8 taught me that when they have a shitbag, they haze them to the point of suicide then dump them off on the headquarters squadron where they are less likely to get someone killed. POGs are forced to deal with it because our leadership is unwilling to look the other way when the time comes to beat someone with a bar of soap.

doing the Gomer Pyle thing seems counterproductive all of a sudden. Don't the squad try to put some sense into the fuck up first without doing the FMJ soap bar visit?

 

[Big Nasty]

How likely/inevitable is it that the war will involve Moldavia/Transnistria?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

How likely/inevitable is it that the war will involve Moldavia/Transnistria?

Right now its on the table, but not a given, for Russia. That's my assessment.

 

[Vesperus]

If Russia takes Odessa, inevitable. That's a hell of a big "if" though, there's a lot of geography to hamper a ground force, and I don't see the Black Sea fleet making much of a difference. I think a land-locked Ukraine is off the menu, but bear in mind I am an anonymous retard on the internet.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

I see no reason why russians would go after Moldavia.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I see no reason why russians would go after Moldavia.

It would be Transnistria.

 

[AnonymousKot]

I see no reason why russians would go after Moldavia.

It wants Transnistria, that region has a large cache of old soviet weaponry and a good amount of industrial factories

 

[Aidan]

I just checked, out of a

Just checked, the US Ground Forces (Army, National Guard and Marine Corps) have 653 Generals. The Russian army is slightly larger on average at about 1.3 million and has 11,000 generals.

That is an absurd amount of generals. I feel like I need a full breakdown of the logic behind so many cooks in the kitchen and if there is any. Now it really does seem like a dead Russian general really isn't that big of a deal.
Also why isn't Lukashenko a fucking colonel then?

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

Transnistria is a given, they are stating openly since decades that they want to join Russia.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

doing the Gomer Pyle thing seems counterproductive all of a sudden. Don't the squad try to put some sense into the fuck up first without doing the FMJ soap bar visit?

Of course, but some people are just impossible to correct, in some fields this isn't an issue, but with infantry a fuckup can have lethal consequences for others.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

How likely/inevitable is it that the war will involve Moldavia/Transnistria?

Depends on how things go. I see two possible general scenarios where it could happen. 1) Things collapse badly enough for Ukraine that fighting in southern Ukraine reaches past Odessa such that Russian troops in Transnistria making an attack to break through to the main Russian forces becomes practical. 2) Things collapse badly enough for Russia and Putin is crazy enough that the troops in Transnistria are given an order to launch diversionary attacks in hopes that an attack in its rear area could distract Ukraine at a crucial time.

Neither's a particularly likely scenario at this point in time. For the first, Russia's having enough trouble taking Donbas that it's stuck defending river crossings basically everywhere else rather than launching fresh offenses. Unless things out of their control change majorly in their favor, they're unlikely to get anywhere near Odessa. For the second, while I think Putin's crazy, I don't think he's crazy enough to order troops that are comfortably holding friendly territory to launch an attack that'll end badly for them without real support nearby.

Going at it from the other direction, while I'm sure Ukraine's army would love to knock out the troops in Transnistria, as a practical matter they can't unless the Russian troops in Transnistria make the first move. From a political standpoint they'd technically be attacking Moldavia and would need Moldavia's approval at minimum to avoid a diplomatic incident. Which I don't see Moldavia giving at this point in time. Possibly not even if Transnistria starts attacking Ukraine, though in that case Ukraine would need NATO's okay more than Moldavia's to do something about Transnistria. From a military standpoint, while Ukraine technically has the troops, the equipment, and the training to take Transnistria, I think they're too heavily engaged with Russia on other fronts to spare the resources needed for a preemptive action.

In short, unless Russia suddenly starts making major inroads into central and western Ukraine, Moldavia/Transnistria's likely to remain quiet other than some figurative saber rattling. I don't think Russia wants to try and formally claim it until it shares a proper border with it. While things have been stable enough with Transnistria for long enough that no one is otherwise likely to try and force the issue.

 

[Wy4M]

Is that a tranny?

Spoiler

 

[Regenbogen]

>casualties have been minimal
>this campaign has been precise and deadly
>russia has not sent any of its advanced weaponry to ukraine
delusional cope lmao

there's something to be said about your army gaining real combat experience in a conflict like this, it is indeed more valuable than the 20 years of sandbox counterinsurgency operations that america has done since 2001, but the idea of fighting a real high intensity war where you lose thousands of vehicles and suffer tens of thousands of casualties (kia and wia combined) just for gaining combat experience is laughable.

The take that casualties have been minimal, the campaign has been precise and deadly is true, though. The advanced weaponry part not so much.
But yes, it's retarded. This guy hasn't been following the past 8 years of buildup to the war... actually the last 18 years of buildup.