Sony hate thread

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

That was kind of the issue, many of the time trials required very exact precision for a good lot of them to get the highest ranking. Most of the moves were fairly useless for combat as well and a ton of stuff wasn't worth putting resources into.

It did have voice acting, the quasi-french was intentional because many european countries have developed this anime looking style for their animation. I think the most well known in America would be stuff like Totally Spies, but there's a long history of european stuff that resembles anime. The backgrounds were very much inspired by Moebius who was a french artist as well.

A more recent example would be Haven which is an RPG game made by a french game studio
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The reason why European countries wound up developing this style was that they were originally very limited in their access to anime. In america this wasn't the case and starting in the early 1980's stuff was routinely brought over to the US because the turnaround time was much shorter than it was compared to prepping a series for European distribution. This is also why the US funds anime series because the market is much much bigger in the US by orders of magnitude compared to any other western nation.

Europe actually had good access to anime(cartoons as they were called then) via France and while you might think that is an anime style it is clearly an evolution of the much older Franco-Belgian style.

 

[BananaSplit]

Europe actually had good access to anime(cartoons as they were called then) via France and while you might think that is an anime style it is clearly an evolution of the much older Franco-Belgian style.

France has been exposed to japanese anime since the late 70s (in addition to french producer and creator working alongside with japanese companies, see Ulysses 31 or The Mysterious Cities of Gold for example), meaning there is little to no stigma against japanese media among the frenchies.

That crap about european countries (ESPECIALLY France and I don't doubt Belgium and Italy are similar) were limited in the access to anime/manga is such bullshit it's almost funny. Not surprising from a mindbroken sony fanboy doing mental gymnastics constantly

 

[Marissa Moira]

France has been exposed to japanese anime since the late 70s (in addition to french producer and creator working alongside with japanese companies, see Ulysses 31 or The Mysterious Cities of Gold for example), meaning there is little to no stigma against japanese media among the frenchies.

That crap about european countries (ESPECIALLY France and I don't doubt Belgium and Italy are similar) were limited in the access to anime/manga is such bullshit it's almost funny. Not surprising from a mindbroken sony fanboy doing mental gymnastics constantly

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1aBt-_Zs4

No it's very very true that they had a limited access compared to what America had at the time.

Stuff like St Seya failed to take hold in America because the US was already exposed to stuff like Ronin Warriors and a slew of other series that were all similar and none of them succeeded in the US. St Seya found a fanbase abroad because it had openings and nothing had made it's way over that filled that niche. US market for anime was always more saturated.

Everything else from actual merchandise to new series was much higher in America in comparison to the rest of the world. Stuff like Robotech, Voltron, Transformers, all were heavily based with American companies and all these became far larger properties because of that. Europe had nothing at the time that would reach the heights of any of those in what was being produced. Hell America had GoDaikin figures put out by Bandai in order to compete with Transformers while mecha never really became as saturated in European countries. Go-bots in America were also known as Machine Robo, the european versions of these same toys were not produced in such large numbers either. While transformers would later have the European G1 figures which were a mix of repaints and re-issues, at the same time the Americans lines would be much bigger and eventually give way to beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and Beast machines. Europe mostly had the G1 comics to go off of as their main contribution, but it wasn't toys or shows that were being put out by Europe. Europe would routinely get waves of toys from a lot of lines that would be missing that their North American counterparts would get in full. This wasn't just limited to transformers either. This happened to quite a few model kit lines where their european release would get cut.


Europe routinely played catch up in terms of anime until media formats became more commonplace. A few European countries still used SECAM up until recently.

You move further into the 90's the live action stuff exploded with Power Rangers (and it's sisters series made by Saban) and you would have stuff like DBZ and Yugioh and Pokemon which were all much larger in the american market.


This is the reason why the US anime market is larger than any other in a western nation. It has a long unbroken history of generating a shitload of money. Also bluray discs for Japan and the US share the same region while Europe does not and has it's own region.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

No it's very very true that they had a limited access compared to what America had at the time.

Stuff like St Seya failed to take hold in America because the US was already exposed to stuff like Ronin Warriors and a slew of other series that were all similar and none of them succeeded in the US. St Seya found a fanbase abroad because it had openings and nothing had made it's way over that filled that niche. US market for anime was always more saturated.

Everything else from actual merchandise to new series was much higher in America in comparison to the rest of the world. Stuff like Robotech, Voltron, Transformers, all were heavily based with American companies and all these became far larger properties because of that. Europe had nothing at the time that would reach the heights of any of those in what was being produced. Hell America had GoDaikin figures put out by Bandai in order to compete with Transformers while mecha never really became as saturated in European countries. Go-bots in America were also known as Machine Robo, the european versions of these same toys were not produced in such large numbers eithers. While transformers would later have the European G1 figures which were a mix of repaints and re-issues, at the same time the Americans lines would be much bigger and eventually give way to beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, and Beast machines. Europe mostly had the G1 comics to go off of as their main contribution, but it wasn't toys or shows that were being put out by Europe. Europe would routinely get waves of toys from a lot of lines that would be missing that their North American counterparts would get in full. This wasn't just limited to transformers either. This happened to quite a few model kit lines where their european release would get cut.


Europe routinely played catch up in terms of anime until media formats became more commonplace. A few European countries still used SECAM up until recently.

You move further into the 90's the live action stuff exploded with Power Rangers (and it's sisters series made by Saban) and you would have stuff like DBZ and Yugioh and Pokemon which were all much larger in the american market.


This is the reason why the US anime market is larger than any other in a western nation. It has a long unbroken history of generating a shitload of money.

I see that Ronin Warriors premiered in 1988... in Japan... that's pretty late. Before that kids over here had the metal Robotech figures, for some reason, I had already seen early movies and show Miyazaki worked on without knowing it up until a couple of years ago. Hell, Lupin III premiered in Denmark eleven years before it was shown in the US.
All video rental stores had Fist of the North Star(called Ken), Space Adventure Cobra(called Cobra iirc), Genshi Shonen Ryu(I'm being fancy and googled the japanese title), Robotech, tons of other mecha/space shit like Balatack, StarZinger and so on. There were many movies available that all predates the show you mentioned. All in bog standard video stores.

The difference was that they weren't refered to as anime and they were all found in the kids section where anime belongs.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I see that Ronin Warriors premiered in 1988... in Japan... that's pretty late. Before that kids over here had the metal Robotech figures, for some reason, I had already seen early movies and show Miyazaki worked on without knowing it up until a couple of years ago. Hell, Lupin III premiered in Denmark eleven years before it was shown in the US.
All video rental stores had Fist of the North Star(called Ken), Space Adventure Cobra(called Cobra iirc), Genshi Shonen Ryu(I'm being fancy and googled the japanese title), Robotech, tons of other mecha/space shit like Balatack, StarZinger and so on. There were many movies available that all predates the show you mentioned. All in bog standard video stores.

The difference was that they weren't refered to as anime and they were all found in the kids section where anime belongs.

Mecha stuff in the US goes back to Mattel in the mid 1970's where they brought over a ton of different toys under the Shogun Warriors line, everything from Super Sentai to Godzilla was under that brand. But it wasn't until the 1980's did stuff gain significant traction and then later Sentai stuff would re-appear in the 1990's. The stuff in the 1980's is what really spread awareness due to it's popularity. It wasn't the first, but it was the first to have that amount of success. IIRC Voltron was a fuck up and they wanted a different mecha series and were given the wrong one because Voltron had a few toys out in the states prior.

Zoids was another one that went through multiple names and manufacturers in western countries. Robotech itself had a US line in the 1990's under Exosquad. However Robotech toys in the US were under a few different brands like Converters in the 80's. Mind you Harmony Gold bullshit existed in America so that tampered the availability of some of the old veritech figures.

Once transformers hit in 1984 that caused a scramble for anything remotely transforming robot shaped, including stuff that was legally gray and the companies may not have had the proper right towards.

As far as the availability of VHS tapes in the US, that's roughly the same of what they had. I think BIG WARS was another one that was pretty common later on.

Some stuff was just flat out untranslated and I remember there being a sticker that the rental stores would denote that it's not in english.

I mean these are modern numbers but the US market is quite large and always has been. This isn't even getting into stuff like Battle of The Planets which came out a year after Star Wars in America or Speed Racer which predates Star Wars. I'm pretty sure the old releases still call it Japanimation.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

I still haven't seen a PS5 in person, on a store shelf or hooked up to a screen anywhere. I've seen plenty of unsold games and controllers rotting away on shelves, though

I think I've only seen two in the time it's been out. One in a store display case that wasn't even turned on, and the other that was used by an old roommate that used it for NBA 2K games and about an hour of Spider-Man Miles Morales. And if I recall, the only reason he got it was because he paid double its MSRP to scalpers like a dumbass.

Can't say I've seen any controllers out in the wild though. Though I imagine it might be a similar situation to Xbox after they really got going on their Steam/PC Game Pass bullshit Where while it was a thing before on Steam, once they fully made the switch, everyone and their mother who didn't own a console got a dedicated controller to use for console games on PC.

EDIT: Forgot to mention: can confirm that the games just sit on shelves. Hell I've seen games like TLoU2, Deathloop, and even Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut in the bargain bin in droves cuz they couldn't move stock at all. GoT was especially surreal, but maybe it was because GoT already exists on the PS4 for, like, $20 and the Director's Cut didn't add anything as substantial to the package. Dunno, I could be VERY wrong on that; it's been awhile since I saw what was in the Director's Cut.
And I can already hear Moira having a shitfit from here, taking that random speculation and try to "UHM ACKSHUALLY" it with some random European statistic about how they barely use Steam for console games over there, and watch massive amounts of anime instead due to high import sales from Japan. Speaking of!

Mecha stuff in the US goes back to Mattel in the mid 1970's where they brought over a ton of different toys under the Shogun Warriors line, everything from Super Sentai to Godzilla was under that brand. But it wasn't until the 1980's did stuff gain significant traction and then later Sentai stuff would re-appear in the 1990's. The stuff in the 1980's is what really spread awareness due to it's popularity. It wasn't the first, but it was the first to have that amount of success. IIRC Voltron was a fuck up and they wanted a different mecha series and were given the wrong one because Voltron had a few toys out in the states prior.

Zoids was another one that went through multiple names and manufacturers in western countries. Robotech itself had a US line in the 1990's under Exosquad. However Robotech toys in the US were under a few different brands like Converters in the 80's. Mind you Harmony Gold bullshit existed in America so that tampered the availability of some of the old veritech figures.

Once transformers hit in 1984 that caused a scramble for anything remotely transforming robot shaped, including stuff that was legally gray and the companies may not have had the proper right towards.

As far as the availability of VHS tapes in the US, that's roughly the same of what they had. I think BIG WARS was another one that was pretty common later on.

Some stuff was just flat out untranslated and I remember there being a sticker that the rental stores would denote that it's not in english.

I mean these are modern numbers but the US market is quite large and always has been. This isn't even getting into stuff like Battle of The Planets which came out a year after Star Wars in America or Speed Racer which predates Star Wars. I'm pretty sure the old releases still call it Japanimation.
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This but unironically.

 

[Marissa Moira]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nsNrwHA6BigThis but unironically.

Why choose when you can have both at once?

Although if you go back to when the NES was current, that rarely charted in Europe at all. It was the ZX Spectrum for the most part. NES was very much absent there.

Japanese consoles took longer to establish themselves there, compared to the US where it happened in the mid 80's. Stuff like that did help the very early import scene. It was a mess of catalogues from companies based in basements of questionable repute for both anime and games.

I think the last of the old guard was bought up with the recent acquisition of Sentai Filmworks which was formerly ADV. Central Park Media went bust and one of the last few smaller outlets in operation is just Mill Creek Entertainment, but they don't specifically handle japanese media but they have the rights to ultraman both live action and animated.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

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Your chart shows that the US have three times the demand, whatever that actually means, of anime than France despite the US being five times its size when it comes to population. Per capita France is more weeb than the US and always have been. And if you look at the top of this page both I and @BananaSplit specifically talked about France.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Your chart shows that the US have three times the demand, whatever that actually means, of anime than France despite the US being five times its size when it comes to population. Per capita France is more weeb than the US and always have been. And if you look at the top of this page both I and @BananaSplit specifically talked about France.

I think that's a bit arguable when it comes to France.

Like in my opinion it's never come off as ingrained as it is in America. Like there's stuff that's clearly well liked anime in France but it doesn't really extend out into the more casual or widespread cultural realms. France has usually been less prone to inviting more things in and have been more protective of traditional french culture, like there's more instances of stuff being segregated to it's own offshoot but it doesn't really touch anything else. Where as in the US, different forms of nerd stuff tend to be similar to a venn diagram where there's more intermingling between everything.

Italy is kind of a similar case as well, because french and itallian animation studios have worked together on stuff before. They also kind of have similar outputs when it comes to anime inspired series. But what's also true is they don't really go for localizing series to much of the same extent and the US or Canada. With all the buyouts it's mostly been for US based companies or branches and very little with European branches.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I think that's a bit arguable when it comes to France.

Like in my opinion it's never come off as ingrained as it is in America. Like there's stuff that's clearly well liked anime in France but it doesn't really extend out into the more casual or widespread cultural realms. France has usually been less prone to inviting more things in and have been more protective of traditional french culture, like there's more instances of stuff being segregated to it's own offshoot but it doesn't really touch anything else. Where as in the US, different forms of nerd stuff tend to be similar to a venn diagram where there's more intermingling between everything.

Italy is kind of a similar case as well, because french and itallian animation studios have worked together on stuff before. They also kind of have similar outputs when it comes to anime inspired series. But what's also true is they don't really go for localizing series to much of the same extent and the US or Canada. With all the buyouts it's mostly been for US based companies or branches and very little with European branches.

You make the mistake of thinking that "anime" needs to be nerdstuff to count as cultural penetration, it needs to be a subculture. I say it is the exact opposite.

French series, 1982

 

[Marissa Moira]

You make the mistake of thinking that "anime" needs to be nerdstuff to count as cultural penetration, it needs to be a subculture. I say it is the exact opposite.

French series, 1982
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I'm not so sure. I mean look at Daikon which was the first animation that Gainax did, it has so much cross pollination between multiple stuff and franchises(even if it wasn't exactly fully legal).

It's less that it needs to be a subculture and more that it's influence spreads wide enough to have an effect on other things. That's kind of how ideas and the logic behind them spread and take hold. Anime has it's own set of rules and techniques that other stuff can benefit from or rework.

I mean look at Earthbound when it comes to games, we're currently dealing with an influx of it's bastard children. I mean statistically at this point some will wind up being worthwhile.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

It's less that it needs to be a subculture and more that it's influence spreads wide enough to have an effect on other things. That's kind of how ideas and the logic behind them spread and take hold.

Salmon on sushi was created by Norway in the 80's, how about that. Now it is considered sushi.

 

[Grimdark Reaper]

Man, I sure remember the times when the Sony hate thread was actually about hating on Sony

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Man, I sure remember the times when the Sony hate thread was actually about hating on Sony

It still is, once you get past that one asshole who keeps shitting it up. Hey, @Marissa Moira, why don't you just create a Sony defense thread and take all your shitty defenses there?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Man, I sure remember the times when the Sony hate thread was actually about hating on Sony

Good times, man.

 

[SiccDicc]

I think I’ve brought it up here or in other threads, but I managed managed to get one with relatively little issue. The first party shit is pretty good, although I needed to replace my decrepitly old monitor to make it play bluray movies.

I'm gonna be honest. I had more fun on the quest to get one than I have actually owning it.

Is this how Alexander the Great felt?

 

[Marissa Moira]

I'm gonna be honest. I had more fun on the quest to get one than I have actually owning it.

Is this how Alexander the Great felt?

If the eternal search is what you want, perhaps start collecting trophies?

See a game through to 100% completion and then do it again for a different game before long you'll have countless challenges put behind you.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I'm gonna be honest. I had more fun on the quest to get one than I have actually owning it.

Is this how Alexander the Great felt?

I found mine with minimal effort.

 

[augment]

That crap about european countries (ESPECIALLY France and I don't doubt Belgium and Italy are similar) were limited in the access to anime/manga is such bullshit it's almost funny. Not surprising from a mindbroken sony fanboy doing mental gymnastics constantly

It must be some kind of zoomer revisionism. Europe, SEA and latin America are way ahead of the US and canada in terms of japanese manga and tv.

 

[SiccDicc]

I found mine with minimal effort.

Oh it was easy finding one in Costa Rica because they upcharged it there. In their Walmarts. Like an additional $300 American or something.

Back here where that ain't exactly kosher - ironic term - it was much more difficult for me. More fun, though.