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The Empirical Bogey said:
I saw Galaxy Quest for the first time recently. What do you nerds think of it?

It's fast paced and the jokes are very 90s, but not in a memorable way. Unlike DS9's Ferengi episodes the humor didn't age well. Parodying Trek is old hat. It needs a twist to make it interesting, which for Galaxy Quest was the behind-the-scenes aspect.

After two hours the characters had more to them than the crew of the NX-01 did after five seasons:
The alien dude had the most going on, being Spock/Worf/Patrick Stewart with a dash of Shatner.* He also reminded me of Odo but I don't think that was intentional.
Tim Allen plays Shatner in full but if he wasn't a douche. He has a rivalry with the alien dude like Shatner did with Nimoy.
The black guy is black Wesley plus the various child actors, it would've been funny if he was a drug addict and everyone hated him.
They dropped the ball with Adrian Monk as the engineer. He was shy and nervous - that's it. Why not give him a foreign accent (Australian maybe) as a Scotty/O'Brien/Chekov reference?
I like the inclusion of a guy who played a crewman once, and doesn't die but gets promoted.
I have one thing to say about Sigourney Weaver's part but that leads into the next paragraph.

The references are thin and oddly inauthentic. There are three not-suface level ones: they drink Romulan ale in the mess hall, the corridors have those containment bulkheads, and the Protector has an impractical separation feature.
The rest are weird. Weaver says her character existed "to repeat what the computer said." That's not what bridge bunnies did.
There's a part with an Indiana Jones-style booby trapped corridor with mallets and giant gears. Did they even watch TNG? Force fields flashing on and off would've worked better.
Tim Allen says the Protector's studio model was three inches. Nigga those things were three feet or more.

I always liked the look of the Protector even though it's supposed to be comical. White spaceships look cool.
So as a parody and a tribute it needed work - as a popcorn flick to watch with family or friends it's good.

*These slashes are just for expedience get your mind out of the gutter AKA fanfiction
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As others here have already said, Galaxy Quest wasn't *just* a Star Trek parody. TOS was clearly (and very obviously) a fairly large part of the film's inspiration, but the people who made GQ were also obviously mocking other Science Fiction tropes that were also pretty common at the time... which is probably why you got mad about some things in GQ that are not the same as TOS... I sadly do not have the ability to tell you where every single reference in GQ that differed from TOS came from, but I can assure you... At least a few of them were references to things other than Star Trek.

I WILL say, if you watch Galaxy Quest expecting it to be a straight parody of TOS, you might not have the best time.

I'm not about to claim that Galaxy Quest is a perfect movie or anything, but it seems to me like you are simultaneously shitting on Galaxy Quest for being too much like Star Trek, while also shitting on it for any time that it deviated too far from Star Trek. Truthfully, I disagree with you on both counts.

I already feel like a piece of shit hipster for what I'm about to say, and trust me... I already (pre-emptively) hate myself even more before saying it than you will probably hate me after I say it, but...
I really don't think that you understood Galaxy Quest.
 
iirc Ripley had some line about "ugh, tunnel corridors" or similarly lolalien
But yeah but not unlike early Kevin Smith, a lot was a lot more funny before literally every random smartass in the planet could chuck their clever funnyman idea into the void
 
The Empirical Bogey said:
I saw Galaxy Quest for the first time recently. What do you nerds think of it?

It's fast paced and the jokes are very 90s, but not in a memorable way. Unlike DS9's Ferengi episodes the humor didn't age well. Parodying Trek is old hat. It needs a twist to make it interesting, which for Galaxy Quest was the behind-the-scenes aspect.
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GalaxyQuest is also making fun of the fandom that surrounds Trek. It’s a great movie that pays homage to Trek.
 
The Empirical Bogey said:
I saw Galaxy Quest for the first time recently. What do you nerds think of it?

It's fast paced and the jokes are very 90s, but not in a memorable way. Unlike DS9's Ferengi episodes the humor didn't age well. Parodying Trek is old hat. It needs a twist to make it interesting, which for Galaxy Quest was the behind-the-scenes aspect.

After two hours the characters had more to them than the crew of the NX-01 did after five seasons:
The alien dude had the most going on, being Spock/Worf/Patrick Stewart with a dash of Shatner.* He also reminded me of Odo but I don't think that was intentional.
Tim Allen plays Shatner in full but if he wasn't a douche. He has a rivalry with the alien dude like Shatner did with Nimoy.
The black guy is black Wesley plus the various child actors, it would've been funny if he was a drug addict and everyone hated him.
They dropped the ball with Adrian Monk as the engineer. He was shy and nervous - that's it. Why not give him a foreign accent (Australian maybe) as a Scotty/O'Brien/Chekov reference?
I like the inclusion of a guy who played a crewman once, and doesn't die but gets promoted.
I have one thing to say about Sigourney Weaver's part but that leads into the next paragraph.

The references are thin and oddly inauthentic. There are three not-suface level ones: they drink Romulan ale in the mess hall, the corridors have those containment bulkheads, and the Protector has an impractical separation feature.
The rest are weird. Weaver says her character existed "to repeat what the computer said." That's not what bridge bunnies did.
There's a part with an Indiana Jones-style booby trapped corridor with mallets and giant gears. Did they even watch TNG? Force fields flashing on and off would've worked better.
Tim Allen says the Protector's studio model was three inches. Nigga those things were three feet or more.

I always liked the look of the Protector even though it's supposed to be comical. White spaceships look cool.
So as a parody and a tribute it needed work - as a popcorn flick to watch with family or friends it's good.

*These slashes are just for expedience get your mind out of the gutter AKA fanfiction
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GalaxyQuest came out between Insurrection and Nemesis.

Thus making it the grand unifying Trek movie as the good "even" one with two bad "odd" ones on either side. As well as making the reboot films even-odd-even and maintaining the iron law.

It is a masterpiece.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I find it really hard to watch. IMO it's the worst ST movie in terms of watchability and following one scene to another. Also, an insta-terraforming torpedo that uhhhh somehow also resurrects your best friend, I guess, is well past my suspension of disbelief limits. It's my most hated ST plot device, tied with the Nexus in Generations. Generations' plot is incredibly dumb, but it's easier to watch, so I rank III worst.
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Even though I rank Star Trek 3 as one of my personal favorite movies, I have to agree that the Genesis device and everything about it, stupid as it is to begin with in ST2, is flat out fucking retarded in ST3. Its impossible to overlook.

The Ugly One said:
Oddly enough, Nemesis is another movie I didn't know I was supposed to hate until the internet told me so. I'm a simple man: did I enjoy watching a movie, yes or no? If "no," then into the trash it goes. Nemesis isn't a movie I'd watch again (I rarely watch movies twice), but I was entertained for two hours.
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Nemesis is dumb but it does get way too much shit. Its really not that much worse than a standard dumb action movie of the era. Which if you ask me, Insurrection is a standard dumb action movie of its era, and its much, much dumber and far more tedious than Nemesis.

Never Scored said:
You know, I started watching Enterprise for the first time recently. It's no TNG or anything but I don't think it's that bad. I don't know why everyone hates it so much.
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Probably the biggest disappointment about Enterprise is that it teased/promised (depending on which interviews you read) a more realistic hard SF setting within the Star Trek framework, and maybe bringing back some of that old TOS flair. Instead we got the same standard rayguns and weird aliens, long voyage plot that we'd already seen in TNG and Voyager. Plus the set design sucked. Enterprise looks very low budget at times, and it doesn't help that the interior of the NX-01 is very drab and empty. It looks like what it is, a bunch of cheap budget furniture in a sound stage. Some people say Trek fans hate it because its "dark", but they've turned the lights down plenty of times on the various shows and it usually looks pretty moody. Enterprise looks more like they're trying to hide the cheap sets.

Honestly the actors and writers put in a heroic effort given what they had to work with. Additionally I appreciate the effort that Doug Drexler, Rob Bonchune and company put into some of the alien ship designs, which while a lot of them tend to blend together there's still some really good and distinct ones like the Andorian Cruiser and the Vulcan ships. High expectations really did the show in, and honestly if they hadn't talked it up so much in the marketing and been more like "Yeah, its not gonna be that different, but its gonna be its own thing still, also don't expect the biggest budget" I think people would have been less harsh on it at the time.
 
Enterprise is a series of unfulfilled potential. It was a series that predated all previous events and allowed for showcasing what exploration was like before beaming, before universal translators, before replicators, and before a fully formed Federation. It could have been like the primitive wild west frontiersman style show to contrast the more experienced crews of other shows.

Sadly, it just never really found its footing. Very few of the characters got established, and once 9/11 happened, that obviously impacted the writing and took the series in what I felt was a negative direction by being too on the nose with what it was referencing.

I'll say this though. I liked Scott Bakula as Captain Archer. He had the kind of the personality that I wanted out of the first real Star Fleet captain.
 
I hated Enterprise on principle when it was new and didn't watch it. I didn't want a prequel. I wanted a continuation from where DS9 and Voyager left off. Paramount passed on a Sulu/Excelsior show. There was an episode of Voyager that was kind of a backdoor pilot for that. If we just had to have a prequel, that's the show I would have wanted.

My parents now watch Enterprise on Amazon Prime. I've seen a few episodes now from Season 3. It's not bad for what it is. And it seems great compared to the dreck we get on TV now. The Xindi are interesting aliens, but as is always the problem with prequels, there's the problem of why the hell are they never mentioned again in the other series.
 
Travoltron said:
My parents now watch Enterprise on Amazon Prime. I've seen a few episodes now from Season 3. It's not bad for what it is. And it seems great compared to the dreck we get on TV now. The Xindi are interesting aliens, but as is always the problem with prequels, there's the problem of why the hell are they never mentioned again in the other series.
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Why are the Portuguese never mentioned any more, or the Mongols? Some people are very influential for a time, then that influence wanes when the forces of geography and politics decide they aren't a big deal any more.

Sorry to any Portuguese or Mongol readers, I will always remember you as great navigators and conquerors.
 
I like the idea of a temporal Cold War, it’s a cool sci fi concept. Voyager already had time cops. Various factions competing to create different timelines that advantage them or bring down their rivals makes sense if you have such a mastery of time manipulation tech.

I don’t think enterprise really explored the concept to its fullest potential, but still.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
If that's Enterprise, what are Cowboy Bebop and The Expanse?
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All three are technically Space Westerns to varying degrees. Don't forget that the original Space Western was TOS with its Wagontrain to the Stars pitch and the fact that it was made in an era where Westerns were dominating TV, such as Gunsmoke. Enterprise for all its faults did try to follow suit.

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White Devil said:
No idea, never wasted my time on either.
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Cowboy Bebop is probably the only anime I'd recommend to someone who's never watched anime and otherwise plans on never doing so. Dunno if that's enough to sell it, but most of the show is on Youtube in English if you want to watch some of it without fully committing.
 
L50LasPak said:
All three are technically Space Westerns to varying degrees. Don't forget that the original Space Western was TOS with its Wagontrain to the Stars pitch and the fact that it was made in an era where Westerns were dominating TV, such as Gunsmoke. Enterprise for all its faults did try to follow suit.
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That's exactly what I like about Enterprise. It's not nearly as good as TOS, because the characters and dialouge in TOS were so much better, but the structure and pacing of the episodes is similar. I'm only a few episodes in though. I don't think I've hit the post 9/11 shit everyone's been talking about yet.
 
L50LasPak said:
Cowboy Bebop is probably the only anime I'd recommend to someone who's never watched anime and otherwise plans on never doing so. Dunno if that's enough to sell it, but most of the show is on Youtube in English if you want to watch some of it without fully committing.
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I've seen anime before, I just prefer to stick to the 80s and some early 90s stuff. Cowboy Bebop has zero appeal to me.
 
Flexo said:
GalaxyQuest came out between Insurrection and Nemesis.

Thus making it the grand unifying Trek movie as the good "even" one with two bad "odd" ones on either side. As well as making the reboot films even-odd-even and maintaining the iron law.

It is a masterpiece.
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Galaxy Quest makes me nostalgic because the writers ultimately liked Star Trek fans even though they were making a parody compared with current year writers who have nothing but contempt for their audiences.
 
Tookie said:
Galaxy Quest makes me nostalgic because the writers ultimately liked Star Trek fans
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"No one laughed louder or longer in the cinema than I did, but the idea that the ship was saved and all of our heroes in that movie were saved simply by the fact that there were fans who did understand the scientific principles on which the ship worked was absolutely wonderful." - Patrick Stewart
 
White Devil said:
I wish this but also dread it because I know it would be microtransactioned out the ass.
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They did make it. They called it Star Trek Online. It's everything a modern Starfleet Command could ever be. And that's not a good thing. They manifested every single fear you have of it. They made the game more arcadey and watered down, MTX out the ass. All of that shit. The devs said in interviews they were looking to make a successor to Starfleet Command. That's what they did. Unfortunately.
 
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