UN Zimbabwe Getting Coup'd - After 30'ish years of dictatorship and runaway hyper inflation

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Looks like not everyone is happy that Mugabe kicked out all those evil white people and made everyone a billionaire in Zimbabwe.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-military-drives-through-outskirts-of-capital
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-z...ti-mugabe-coup-talk-intensifies-idUSKBN1DF025
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/world/africa/zimbabwe-mugabe-mnangagwa-chiwenga.html

HARARE (Reuters) - Soldiers deployed across the Zimbabwe capital Harare and seized the state broadcaster on Wednesday after 93-year-old President Robert Mugabe’s ruling ZANU-PF party accused the head of the military of treason, prompting frenzied speculation of a coup.


Soldiers stand beside military vehicles just outside Harare, Zimbabwe November 14,2017. REUTERS/Philimon Bulawayo
Just 24 hours after military chief General Constantino Chiwenga threatened to intervene to end a purge of his allies in Mugabe’s ZANU-PF, a Reuters reporter saw armored personnel carriers on main roads around the capital.

Aggressive soldiers told passing cars to keep moving through the darkness. “Don’t try anything funny. Just go,” one barked at Reuters on Harare Drive.


Two hours later, soldiers overran the headquarters of the ZBC, Zimbabwe’s state broadcaster and a principal Mugabe mouthpiece, and ordered staff to leave. Several ZBC workers were manhandled, two members of staff and a human rights activist said.

Shortly afterwards, three explosions rocked the center of the southern African nation’s capital, Reuters witnesses said.

Despite the troops stationed at locations across Harare, there was no word from the military as to the fate of Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s leader of the last 37 years and the self-styled ‘Grand Old Man’ of African politics.

In contrast to his elevated status on the continent, Mugabe is reviled in the West as a despot whose disastrous handling of the economy and willingness to resort to violence to maintain power destroyed one of Africa’s most promising states.

In the only official word from the government, Isaac Moyo, Zimbabwe’s ambassador to neighboring South Africa, earlier dismissed talk of a coup, saying the government was “intact” and blaming social media for spreading false information.

“There’s nothing really happening. They are just social media claims,” Moyo told Reuters.


The Southern African nation has been on edge since Monday when Chiwenga, Commander of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, said he was prepared to “step in” to end a purge of supporters of sacked vice president Emmerson Mnangagwa.

Only a few months ago, Mnangagwa, a former security chief nicknamed “The Crocodile”, was favorite to succeed his life-long political patron but was ousted a week ago to pave the way for Mugabe’s 52-year-old wife Grace to succeed him.

“POLITICS OVER THE GUN”

Chiwenga’s unprecedented statement represented a major escalation of the struggle to succeed Mugabe, the only leader Zimbabwe has known since it gained independence from Britain in 1980.


Soldiers stand beside military vehicles just outside Harare,Zimbabwe,November 14,2017. REUTERS/Philimon Bulawayo
Mugabe chaired a weekly cabinet meeting in the capital on Tuesday, officials said, and afterwards ZANU-PF said it stood by the “primacy of politics over the gun” and accused Chiwenga of “treasonable conduct ... meant to incite insurrection.”

The previous day, Chiwenga had made clear the army’s refusal to accept the removal of Mnangagwa - like the generals a veteran of Zimbabwe’s anti-colonial liberation war - and the presumed accession of Grace, once a secretary in the government typing pool.

Local government minister Saviour Kasukuwere, a leading figure in her relatively youthful ‘G40’ faction, refused to answer Reuters questions about the situation in Harare. “I‘m in a meeting,” he said, before hanging up shortly before midnight.

Army, police and government spokesmen refused to answer numerous phone calls asking for comment.

“DEFENDING OUR REVOLUTION”


Neither Mugabe nor Grace have responded in public to Chiwenga’s remarks and state media did not publish his statement. The Herald newspaper posted some of the comments on its Twitter page but deleted them.

The head of ZANU-PF’s youth wing, which openly backs Grace, accused the army chief of subverting the constitution.

“Defending the revolution and our leader and president is an ideal we live for and if need be it is a principle we are prepared to die for,” Youth League leader Kudzai Chipanga said at the party’s headquarters in Harare.

Grace Mugabe’s rise has brought her into conflict with the independence-era war veterans, who enjoyed privileged status in Zimbabwe until the last two years when they spearheaded criticism of Mugabe’s handling of the economy.

In the last year, a chronic absence of dollars has led to long queues outside banks and an economic and financial collapse that many fear will rival the meltdown of 2007-2008, when inflation topped out at 500 billion percent.

Imported goods are running out and economists say that, by some measures, inflation is now at 50 percent a month.

According to a trove of intelligence documents reviewed by Reuters this year, Mnangagwa has been planning to revitalize the economy by bringing back thousands of white farmers kicked off their land nearly two decades ago and patching up relations with the likes of the World Bank and IMF.

Whatever the outcome, analysts said the military would want to present their move as something other than a full-blown coup to avoid criticism from an Africa keen to leave behind the Cold War continental stereotype of generals being the final arbiters of political power.

“A military coup is the nuclear option,” said Alex Magaisa, a UK-based Zimbabwean academic. “A coup would be a very hard sell at home and in the international community. They will want to avoid that.”
 
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For those who don't know, Mnangagwa was the Defense Minister during the Gukurahundi. For those unfamiliar with Zimbabwe history, the Gukurahundi was a killing of 20,000 people in an attempt to purge the nation of Ndebele detractors.

Oh and he also took the White's lands when he was in charge of Rural Development except for dairy and cattle breeding farmers who were open supporters of Mugabe.
 
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For those who don't know, Mnangagwa was the Defense Minister during the Gukurahundi. For those unfamiliar with Zimbabwe history, the Gukurahundi was a killing of 20,000 people in an attempt to purge the nation of Ndebele detractors.

Oh and he also took the White's lands when he was in charge of Rural Development except for dairy and cattle breeding farmers who were open supporters of Mugabe.

Yea, he's a stand up guy with a solid rep.
 
I'm really scared about this.

It's a dream come true to the level I feel the news is telling me this right before I'm diagnosed with a inoperable tumor.

Slot ALL the floppies.
 
I just wonder if things can get any worse without Mugabe in charge...
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So much for "not being a coup".

Dude. If this is in fact all that is happening then it really is not a coup. According to Article 96 of the Constitution of 2013, the President has the right to resign. According to Article 97, the House of Assembly and the Senate, acting through a joint resolution, can impeach the President. The Zanu-PF controls the requisite majorities in both Houses. Nothing unconstitutional is going on here so far; Rechtskontinuität is being preserved for the time being.

The actions of the army, in particular the house arrest it has imposed, may well have been illegal, but they are not ipso facto prejudicial in the sense of ruling out a legal transition of power simply by virtue of having happened.

It looks like they could actually manage to stay within the letter of the law on this one, which would, frankly, be amazing and a huge step forward by Zimbabwe lolnig standards.
 
Dude. If this is in fact all that is happening then it really is not a coup. According to Article 96 of the Constitution of 2013, the President has the right to resign. According to Article 97, the House of Assembly and the Senate, acting through a joint resolution, can impeach the President. The Zanu-PF controls the requisite majorities in both Houses. Nothing unconstitutional is going on here so far; Rechtskontinuität is being preserved for the time being.

The actions of the army, in particular the house arrest it has imposed, may well have been illegal, but they are not ipso facto prejudicial in the sense of ruling out a legal transition of power simply by virtue of having happened.

It looks like they could actually manage to stay within the letter of the law on this one, which would, frankly, be amazing and a huge step forward by Zimbabwe lolnig standards.

Any transfer of power in sub saharan Africa that doesn't descend into war is sadly pretty successful, if Mugabe steps down, goes into exile and the Congress appoints his replacement, for Africa that's Damn near utopian
 
Any transfer of power in sub saharan Africa that doesn't descend into war is sadly pretty successful, if Mugabe steps down, goes into exile and the Congress appoints his replacement, for Africa that's Damn near utopian
For a coup it has sounded so far like it is fairly bloodless...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42046911
Breaking news Mugabe commits suicide! (Sort of)
Of course he has to throw a wrench into everything.

POWER! I MUST CLING TO IT!
 
For a coup it has sounded so far like it is fairly bloodless...

I've heard there's been a few mysterious disappearances as far as Grace's supporters go, but whether they're dead or detained I couldn't say.
Anyway, although no civil war is always a good thing, I still don't have much faith that this will cause lasting change. Remember this transfer came out not because the military had a problem with the way Mugabe did things, but because they risked losing power in Zimbabwe. It's the circle of life in dictatorship.
 
Will the next dictator be worse, or a lot worse?
Meet the new boss...
Same as the old boss...

It will depend on if the VP reverses any policy or doubles down on them. According to the above article, Mugabe had a tendency to get mobs to attack anyone who disagreed with him, which would drive a lot of commerce and people out.
 
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