UN Zimbabwe Getting Coup'd - After 30'ish years of dictatorship and runaway hyper inflation

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Looks like not everyone is happy that Mugabe kicked out all those evil white people and made everyone a billionaire in Zimbabwe.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-military-drives-through-outskirts-of-capital
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-z...ti-mugabe-coup-talk-intensifies-idUSKBN1DF025
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/world/africa/zimbabwe-mugabe-mnangagwa-chiwenga.html

HARARE (Reuters) - Soldiers deployed across the Zimbabwe capital Harare and seized the state broadcaster on Wednesday after 93-year-old President Robert Mugabe’s ruling ZANU-PF party accused the head of the military of treason, prompting frenzied speculation of a coup.


Soldiers stand beside military vehicles just outside Harare, Zimbabwe November 14,2017. REUTERS/Philimon Bulawayo
Just 24 hours after military chief General Constantino Chiwenga threatened to intervene to end a purge of his allies in Mugabe’s ZANU-PF, a Reuters reporter saw armored personnel carriers on main roads around the capital.

Aggressive soldiers told passing cars to keep moving through the darkness. “Don’t try anything funny. Just go,” one barked at Reuters on Harare Drive.


Two hours later, soldiers overran the headquarters of the ZBC, Zimbabwe’s state broadcaster and a principal Mugabe mouthpiece, and ordered staff to leave. Several ZBC workers were manhandled, two members of staff and a human rights activist said.

Shortly afterwards, three explosions rocked the center of the southern African nation’s capital, Reuters witnesses said.

Despite the troops stationed at locations across Harare, there was no word from the military as to the fate of Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s leader of the last 37 years and the self-styled ‘Grand Old Man’ of African politics.

In contrast to his elevated status on the continent, Mugabe is reviled in the West as a despot whose disastrous handling of the economy and willingness to resort to violence to maintain power destroyed one of Africa’s most promising states.

In the only official word from the government, Isaac Moyo, Zimbabwe’s ambassador to neighboring South Africa, earlier dismissed talk of a coup, saying the government was “intact” and blaming social media for spreading false information.

“There’s nothing really happening. They are just social media claims,” Moyo told Reuters.


The Southern African nation has been on edge since Monday when Chiwenga, Commander of the Zimbabwe Defence Forces, said he was prepared to “step in” to end a purge of supporters of sacked vice president Emmerson Mnangagwa.

Only a few months ago, Mnangagwa, a former security chief nicknamed “The Crocodile”, was favorite to succeed his life-long political patron but was ousted a week ago to pave the way for Mugabe’s 52-year-old wife Grace to succeed him.

“POLITICS OVER THE GUN”

Chiwenga’s unprecedented statement represented a major escalation of the struggle to succeed Mugabe, the only leader Zimbabwe has known since it gained independence from Britain in 1980.


Soldiers stand beside military vehicles just outside Harare,Zimbabwe,November 14,2017. REUTERS/Philimon Bulawayo
Mugabe chaired a weekly cabinet meeting in the capital on Tuesday, officials said, and afterwards ZANU-PF said it stood by the “primacy of politics over the gun” and accused Chiwenga of “treasonable conduct ... meant to incite insurrection.”

The previous day, Chiwenga had made clear the army’s refusal to accept the removal of Mnangagwa - like the generals a veteran of Zimbabwe’s anti-colonial liberation war - and the presumed accession of Grace, once a secretary in the government typing pool.

Local government minister Saviour Kasukuwere, a leading figure in her relatively youthful ‘G40’ faction, refused to answer Reuters questions about the situation in Harare. “I‘m in a meeting,” he said, before hanging up shortly before midnight.

Army, police and government spokesmen refused to answer numerous phone calls asking for comment.

“DEFENDING OUR REVOLUTION”


Neither Mugabe nor Grace have responded in public to Chiwenga’s remarks and state media did not publish his statement. The Herald newspaper posted some of the comments on its Twitter page but deleted them.

The head of ZANU-PF’s youth wing, which openly backs Grace, accused the army chief of subverting the constitution.

“Defending the revolution and our leader and president is an ideal we live for and if need be it is a principle we are prepared to die for,” Youth League leader Kudzai Chipanga said at the party’s headquarters in Harare.

Grace Mugabe’s rise has brought her into conflict with the independence-era war veterans, who enjoyed privileged status in Zimbabwe until the last two years when they spearheaded criticism of Mugabe’s handling of the economy.

In the last year, a chronic absence of dollars has led to long queues outside banks and an economic and financial collapse that many fear will rival the meltdown of 2007-2008, when inflation topped out at 500 billion percent.

Imported goods are running out and economists say that, by some measures, inflation is now at 50 percent a month.

According to a trove of intelligence documents reviewed by Reuters this year, Mnangagwa has been planning to revitalize the economy by bringing back thousands of white farmers kicked off their land nearly two decades ago and patching up relations with the likes of the World Bank and IMF.

Whatever the outcome, analysts said the military would want to present their move as something other than a full-blown coup to avoid criticism from an Africa keen to leave behind the Cold War continental stereotype of generals being the final arbiters of political power.

“A military coup is the nuclear option,” said Alex Magaisa, a UK-based Zimbabwean academic. “A coup would be a very hard sell at home and in the international community. They will want to avoid that.”
 
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Twitter tweet from the once sacked VP, Mnangagwa:
https://twitter.com/ED_Mnangagwa/status/930619624122667008
He supposedly has also returned from exile and the rumor is he'll be interim president:
https://twitter.com/lebrweezy/status/930735719861096448

According to this Mugabe is going to step down "willingly" in return for his wife to be allowed to flee the country.
https://twitter.com/News24/status/930683791017959425

I don't think too much will change in Zimbabwe, Mnangagwa himself is a veteran of the "liberation" war and has been in politics as long as Mugabe (1980).

IMO a good comparison would be that Mnangagwa is like Deng to Mugabe's Mao. They're both original, establishment party people and authoritarian in views. It's that Mnangagwa is just a slightly different flavor of authoritarian. Mnangagwa might be good for the country's economy and revitalize it, but don't expect Zimbabwe to become some bastion of freedom in Africa. It'll probably just become Africa's China.
 
IMO a good comparison would be that Mnangagwa is like Deng to Mugabe's Mao. They're both original, establishment party people and authoritarian in views. It's that Mnangagwa is just a slightly different flavor of authoritarian.

Deng Xiaopeng was also a great influence on China and the real person to thank for Modern China.

In this case I'd say it's more like Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un.
 
Deng Xiaopeng was also a great influence on China and the real person to thank for Modern China.

In this case I'd say it's more like Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un.

It's hard to say at this point since Mugabe, being a dictator, made sure everyone in his party agreed with him. So Mnan could have different views or might disagree with the economic policy situation but hasn't said anything since that would have got him ousted from the party and possibly have a hit put on him. With the military arresting the finance minister it's safe to assume that they at least think the economy is shit.
 
I remember one election in Zimbabwe where Jimmy Carter and the feckless UN poll watchers were there. Pro-Mugabe supporters (the military not wearing their uniforms) kidnapped the wife of Mugabe’s opponent, tortured her, broke both of her legs, and left her alive in her home before setting it on fire. Carter and the UN wandered around saying “Yup, this is a legitimate election, derp, derp, derp.”

I think the opponent was jailed after the election, an/or executed.
 
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Maybe they did the coup based on Mugabes horrible taste in clothes?
 
don't expect Zimbabwe to become some bastion of freedom in Africa. It'll probably just become Africa's China.

Deng Xiaopeng was also a great influence on China and the real person to thank for Modern China.

China became successful through sidelining the ideologues and replacing them with a class of erudite, deliberate, strategically thinking technocrats. It was a smooth transition from rule by goon to rule by engineer, a transition that took a lot of careful maneuvering and that only worked because of China's proud tradition of highly educated and fiercely disciplined civil servants.

I think the case can be made that Zimbabwe may be lacking some of the ingredients of China's transformation. For example, off the top of my head: erudition, deliberation, strategic thinking, technocrats, smooth transitions, engineers, careful maneuvering, proud tradition, highly educated and fiercely disciplined civil servants.

I do wish them luck but let's not kid ourselves.
 
So from what I understand the problem is that Mugabe had a longstanding gentleman's agreement with the military that when he kicked the bucket he would hand over power to his vice president, another way too old veteran who helped kill whiteys in the Bush War. Instead, recently it's become clear that Mugabe has been totally cucked by his wife, who in between her shopping trips and beating models with extension cords has convinced him to hand over power to her instead. He dismissed his vice president and fired all the other military types in his government, and was expected to name her as his successor sometime in December. The military have openly said they won't support anyone as President who didn't fight in the Bush Wars and can't stand the wife anyway. So here we are.
 
So from what I understand the problem is that Mugabe had a longstanding gentleman's agreement with the military that when he kicked the bucket he would hand over power to his vice president, another way too old veteran who helped kill whiteys in the Bush War. Instead, recently it's become clear that Mugabe has been totally cucked by his wife, who in between her shopping trips and beating models with extension cords has convinced him to hand over power to her instead. He dismissed his vice president and fired all the other military types in his government, and was expected to name her as his successor sometime in December. The military have openly said they won't support anyone as President who didn't fight in the Bush Wars and can't stand the wife anyway. So here we are.
...so Zimbabwe is getting better? Maybe?

:optimistic:
 
...so Zimbabwe is getting better? Maybe?

:optimistic:

No. Both sides are shit. The military would just continue the same old crap Mugabe's done that's driven the country into the ground, and they'll be all dead soon anyway. Grace Mugabe, meanwhile, is extraordinarily corrupt and is probably a psychopath. She's renowned for sending in teams of slaves to hand-cut diamonds from the mines and sell them on the black market, as well as ordering her bodyguards to beat the shit out of anyone she doesn't like (and joining in where possible).
 
Grace Mugabe, meanwhile, is extraordinarily corrupt and is probably a psychopath. She's renowned for sending in teams of slaves to hand-cut diamonds from the mines and sell them on the black market, as well as ordering her bodyguards to beat the shit out of anyone she doesn't like (and joining in where possible).

Minor quibble, there is no evidence I'm aware of that GM is a psychopath. Her behaviour is appalling and sadistic by Westernfag standards but not really out of the ordinary for female African royalty. Fish will swim, birds will fly, power-drunk negresses will fuck you up.

Nobody in the region sees anything clinical going on here; RSA newspapers for instance mostly treat her as a source of wacky celebrity gossip. Free salt and banhammers every time an actual African person shows up to discuss the Mugabes on /r/blackladies.

Agree with everything else you said.
 
WWIII should be fought in Africa against the Chicoms for our effort to recolonize and for who controls its natural resources.
 
The Islamic Military Alliance will surely want to join the fun too. Probably as a US ally-in-name-only.
Sounds just like China and the Soviet Union in WWII, only this time we would do less fighting by making sure they're cannon fodder against the Chinese, and more ruling so we're not stabbed in the back effectively giving Africa to them like we did with the commies to China and Eastern Europe.
 
China might be the best thing to happen to Africa. The continent would actually get it's shit together for once, and the neo colonizing power in this case would be the only one in the world strong enough to do it and also not give a fuck when all the blogs and toothless human rights orgs and Maybe-a-charity-concert-will-help think tanks of the world began to erupt in pure salt and outrage demanding they stop.

If Africans living better lives for once is a goal, it's time to admit they can't do it themselves when this never ending string of Idi Amin's keep walking all over them because they have all the guns.

Edit: And all the butter, too.
 
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China might be the best thing to happen to Africa. The continent would actually get it's shit together for once, and the neo colonizing power in this case would be the only one in the world strong enough to do it and also not give a fuck when all the blogs and toothless human rights orgs and Maybe-a-charity-concert-will-help think tanks of the world began to erupt in pure salt and outrage demanding they stop.

If Africans living better lives for once is a goal, it's time to admit they can't do it themselves when this never ending string of Idi Amin's keep walking all over them because they have all the guns.

Edit: And all the butter, too.
IDK, it's making China more powerful via Third-Worldism the Soviet Union tried and we suppressed. Also, it's still not going to stop Africans from breeding like rabbits and trying to move to our countries while simultaneously blaming us for their misery. The chinks are doing far worse, like only fixing old Western infrastructure to transport resources out the country to China, and maybe building cheap housing here and there. SJWs seldom call them out for it, nor ever will because it doesn't support the anti-Western ideology they preach. If we wanted Africa to be prosperous, we would have supported North African influence, but that would be another comparable issue because it would make Islam stronger.
 
It's the continent that still has widespread slavery and cannibalism, gave us gems like Ghadaffi, "Emperor" Bokassa, Kony, and a bunch of Liberian warlords that went by nicknames such as "General Butt Naked", "General Mosquito", "General Rambo" and "General Bin Ladin". I'm sure they can shit out someone far worse than Mugabe.

Don't forget "General Good Times" or "General Mickey Mouse".
 
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