🐱 You Cannot Reason With Right-Wing

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There are many explanations on offer for the bitter, “uncivil war” tone of contemporary politics and government, and at least some share of blame to go around. But I’m not going to indulge in false equivalence here: The radicalization of the Republican Party and its dominant conservative ideological faction has been — and for the foreseeable future will continue to be — the prime engine of polarization and gridlock. I’ve felt that way since the George W. Bush administration, and it’s a big reason why a card-carrying centrist like me has abandoned all hope of bipartisan “problem-solving.” Nine years ago President Obama confidently predicted the GOP “fever” would “break” if he won reelection. Clearly the “fever” is running higher than ever in the Trump era, with no particular end in sight.
Understanding that differences between left and right aren’t just a matter of reasonable differences of opinion on legitimately disputed facts is the first step towards comprehending the current political environment. The fact that conservatives have a tendency to subscribe to conspiracy theories or dismiss inconvenient facts is not an absolute bar to debate. But as Greg Sargent pointed outrecently, MAGA ultras exhibit a more systematic rejection of verifiable reality in favor of ideological systems that interpret (or reinterpret) everythingaccording to an antagonistic depiction of the left as virtually demonic:
Political theorist Laura K. Field has a new essay that helps us make sense of this. Field’s key distinction is between conspiracy theories, which make purportedly grounded claims of some kind, and conspiracism, which is more a habit of mind, a tendency to unshackle oneself in a way that permits a kind of open-ended indulgence in fabulism….
In too many cases, Field argues, empiricism is entirely absent. This tendency sometimes attacks the political legitimacy of the entire left by conflating liberals and Marxists into one monolithically tyrannical political force. Or it attacks the legitimacy of institutions which have fallen under the left’s cultural spell (such as the media or “woke” corporations, never mind the latter’s pursuit of a distributive agenda the left hates). Or it attacks the political system itself (which the left has manipulated, rendering elections illegitimate).
To this way of thinking, the opposition, which is imagined to include the entire political media universe (except for a few trusted “red-pilling” outlets), nearly all of academia, and since January 20 the executive and legislative branches of the federal government (in alliance with liberal state and local governments) is so drenched in malice and insincerity that its dismissal of lurid conspiracy theories is proof of their truthfulness. There is no easy way out of this loop of self-validating belief and disbelief, mostly driven by fear and fury. And it’s not just a matter of white (or white male) insecurity about endangered status, as some observers condescendingly suggest: There is a moral content to the fear and fury alike.
As Thomas Edsall noted in a review of academic research on Trumpism, MAGA folk tend to think of the opposition’s constituencies not simply as hostile or alien, but undeserving of either status or respect. Scottish social scientists Stephen Reicher and Yasemin Ulusahin, says Edsall, argue that white conservatives mourn “actual or potential loss of dominance, [and] a sense of resentment at this loss which is bound up with issues of entitlement — the undeserving are taking what we deserve — and hence provides a moral dimension to restitutive actions, and finally the prospect of redemption — of restoring the rightful order of things — through action.”
These feelings of “undeserved” displacement “are not unmediated perceptions of reality. Rather, they are narratives offered by leaders with the aim of mobilizing people around the leader as representative and savior of the group.”
Enter Donald Trump and his angry political allies, who have an explanation that may defy common sense, but possesses uncommon power. And it plays into a very old right-wing perspective on modern life in which those people — the young, the immigrants, and minorities generally — are in alliance with leftist elites rooted in academia and the media who seek total power by replacing the old dominant classes of hard-working Americans with parasites who feed on their labor and wealth. I first encountered this nightmare vision of the overclass-underclass alliance in Robert Nisbet’s 1975 book The Twilight of Authority. But this basic paranoid view has been central to generations of “producerist” attacks on intellectual and financial elites thought to be exploiting ignorant proles to displace traditional cultural institutions and folk (or in its deadly German version, volkisch) virtues.
Not everyone who likes Donald J. Trump, of course, is subject to this sort of wild projection of hatefulness onto the opposition. And despite their cowardice in the face of Trump’s conquest of the GOP and the conservative movement, many conservative Republicans can be reasoned with and aren’t inclined to send the rest of us off to reeducation camps. Indeed, many of them would rather break bread with liberal “elitists” than with Marjorie Taylor Greene or Josh Hawley. But as Jonathan Chait pointed out back in 2015, the American conservative movement and the party is has long since controlled were fertile ground for fabulists:
The first moment when conservatives seized actual control of the party came, of course, in 1964 through the Goldwater movement. The Goldwater activists were driven by conspiratorial thinking. The campaign’s main tract, “A Choice Not an Echo,” written by Phyllis Schlafly, argued that the party could never lose if it campaigned wholeheartedly on conservative issues, but it had been betrayed by “a small group of secret kingmakers, using hidden persuaders and psychological warfare techniques, manipulated the Republican National Convention to nominate candidates who would sidestep or suppress the key issues.” Another key tract, “None Dare Call It Treason,” by John Stormer, alleged “a conspiratorial plan to destroy the United States into which foreign aid, planned inflation, distortion of treaty-making powers and disarmament all fit.” It sold 7 million copies and was distributed widely by Goldwater volunteers.
This apocalyptic strain has regularly infused conservative rhetoric.
And now it’s fully blooming, as even regular Republican pols regularly fulminate about socialist plots to “cancel” all conservatives, destroy all religion, seize all firearms, and in the meantime open up the borders to let more of those peoplecome in so that the real American majority can be overwhelmed and subdued. This is a fever that is showing no signs of “breaking.” And there’s no known vaccine.
You Cannot Reason With the GOP’s Conspiracists
 
it’s a big reason why a card-carrying centrist like me has abandoned all hope of bipartisan “problem-solving.” Nine years ago President Obama confidently predicted the GOP “fever” would “break” if he won reelection. Clearly the “fever” is running higher than ever in the Trump era, with no particular end in sigh
Totally legit "centrist" thinks and behaves like a leftist. :thinking:
 
I had an interesting conversation with my father the other night. He called someone on the right "not far right" and I interrupted him. I said "you always talk about the far right, so I want to know why you think this guy isn't far right".

"Well, most right wing people think trickle down will solve everything. I doubt this guy does."

"Okay. So what do you think a moderate right wing position would be?"

He struggled. "Well, you know. The right wing people try to balance the budget. It's cut taxes, cut spending, but they never do that. They cut taxes and raise spending!"

"Okay but that's not my question. I want to know what you think a right wing person who is moderate stands for."

"...Well, the right has always kind of been about what they stood against."

"So, you don't know. Why not?"

He seemed really unnerved by his own inability to talk about reasonable conservatives after bashing the people he called extremist.

Then we got into an argument about immigration and how it could reduce the strain of social programs vs how immigrants pay into the system, and then about cutting Social Security and how saving culture turned into spending culture and blah blah blah.
 
Can you really call it a "conspiracy theory" when you have actual politicians, the media, celebrities, and even "regular" people saying that the American way needs to be destroyed because it's "evil"? That white people need to be replaced or wiped out? "Hell yes, we're going to take away your AR-15"? That all cops are bastards and the police need to be abolished? That all white people are racist, no exceptions? That America's success was built on the back of slavery? That Comminism, a system that history has proven to be an absolute failure and is responsible for more deaths than Nazi Germany, is the only hope for the future of the US? That viciously attacks and silences silences anyone with an opinion Right of Marx? That wants to normalize pedophilia as just another legitimized sexual orientation? That has called for the murder of law enforcement officers when they had to shoot a black girl, even though the girl had a knife and was trying to kill someone else? That stole an election and have happily gloated about it? These are all things that people on the Left have openly said just in the last month, but we're supposed to believe it isn't really happening. Just put on the blinders, hand over your guns along with all your other individual liberties, and accept that your betters know what's best for you, tovarisch

And I love that this fucknugget calls himself a "card carrying Centrist" without leveling a shred of criticism towards the Left. "How do you do, fellow regular folks? Boy, those Conservatives sure do suck and believe crazy things, don't they? Boy, I sure do hope we can get rid of them someday, because they're all dangerous and insane! Not like Democrats, right fellow regular people?"
 
A metric fuck ton of projection is going on in this article.

Also, they keep referring to the religious right like it's still the face of the party like in the 1980's. This just isn't true anymore, the religious right is an effective specter right now and carries little, if any, major influence anymore. Only a few die hard holdouts in a few heavily religious rural areas are left.
 
I had an interesting conversation with my father the other night. He called someone on the right "not far right" and I interrupted him. I said "you always talk about the far right, so I want to know why you think this guy isn't far right".

"Well, most right wing people think trickle down will solve everything. I doubt this guy does."

"Okay. So what do you think a moderate right wing position would be?"

He struggled. "Well, you know. The right wing people try to balance the budget. It's cut taxes, cut spending, but they never do that. They cut taxes and raise spending!"

"Okay but that's not my question. I want to know what you think a right wing person who is moderate stands for."

"...Well, the right has always kind of been about what they stood against."

"So, you don't know. Why not?"

He seemed really unnerved by his own inability to talk about reasonable conservatives after bashing the people he called extremist.

Then we got into an argument about immigration and how it could reduce the strain of social programs vs how immigrants pay into the system, and then about cutting Social Security and how saving culture turned into spending culture and blah blah blah.
There Isnt a moderate right any more. That died with 2o2o election. To see what what the new right will be look at the joker (phoneix or ledgers) or that far cry dooms day preacher. Thats what the new right going be
 
I noticed the OP does not respond to any of his/its own threads whatsoever.
I just like sharing the silliness I find with you guys. Wouldn’t want to add more. The jokes are the articles themselves. I just hope you guys get a chuckle as well
 
There Isnt a moderate right any more. That died with 2o2o election. To see what what the new right will be look at the joker (phoneix or ledgers) or that far cry dooms day preacher. Thats what the new right going be
But the point is what would a non-right person count as "moderate right"? For moderate right to not exist, you have to know what it would look like, in theory.
 
But the point is what would a non-right person count as "moderate right"? For moderate right to not exist, you have to know what it would look like, in theory.
A moderate would be a 2016 and 2020 maga trump voter.

Pro 2nd admen
Pro negative rights
Libertarian tolerance
Immigration reform
Bank reform
Co front china
Bring back jobs from over seas
Stop endless wars and bring home the troops


These people are considered extreme far right Nazis by the left even if in reality are moderate

Which leaves the question what they ll consider a Christian suicide bomber, or an uncle ted devotee. Those strains of the right are objectively extreme soo.....
 
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I noticed the OP does not respond to any of his/its own threads whatsoever.

This is exaclty what is wrong with the left.. no exaggration. they demand ilterally insane policies... like allowing children to be mutlated.. we point out that is mutilation and child abuse with medical evidence.. they cry "You're being unreasonable!.. (or transphobic, racist, bigoted...) They should just call us heritics and try to burn us at the stake...Oh wait, I'm sure they're going to try
Idiots keep falling for Dynastia and you also don’t realize Catparty’s schtick.
 
I just like sharing the silliness I find with you guys. Wouldn’t want to add more. The jokes are the articles themselves. I just hope you guys get a chuckle as well
Its slightly rage inducing but i have to laugh at it.

The party of "chop your dick off or dont! Youre a woman now" trying to explain anything to me is hysterical
 
No more jaw-jaw?

So war-war it is, then?

Careful on that one...
 
I just like sharing the silliness I find with you guys. Wouldn’t want to add more. The jokes are the articles themselves. I just hope you guys get a chuckle as well
I used to get a chuckle out of this nonsense when the left was not literally going out of it's way to ruin everyone's lives.
A month ago, I saw a [former] friend who saw me sitting at a coffee shop as he walked in. Saw me.. and turned right away.

Stuff like that is only going to get worse with the left beleving they are 100% correct and refuse to accept they *might* be wrong.

Idiots keep falling for Dynastia and you also don’t realize Catparty’s schtick.
I'm starting to get it.. by his own admission recently
 
🤡 "I want to take all your money and give it to criminals and junkies. Your children will be taken from you to be raped and mutilated. Everything you have built and care for must be destroyed and denigrated. These are the things I want to do, will you consent?"
👨‍💼"No. I don't want you to do that to any degree."
🤡 "Aww, come on! We can compromise! How about I take half your money and rape just one of your kids. Sounds fair, right?"
👨‍💼"My final answer is no."
🤡 "WHY ARE YOU BEING SO UNREASONABLE?!?!?"
Lou Reed said it best when talking about the music biz.

'Can I fuck you in the ass? Well how about I just put the head in, then we can negotiate '
 
You can reason with me. I've been here the whole time, ready and willing to talk. I've even tried to start that conversation.

You won't reason with me though because you've assigned me some weird, new age form of original sin and that makes me untouchable; and you're fine with that and have completely rationalized it and my non-personhood.

Or is the author suggesting that "you can't reason with the right" as a sort of command. Not that I can't be reasoned with, but that you must not attempt to reason with the right?
 
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