Yes, Even George Washington

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On the issue of American slavery, I am an absolutist: enslavers were amoral monsters.
The very idea that one group of people believed that they had the right to own another human being is abhorrent and depraved. The fact that their control was enforced by violence was barbaric.
People often try to explain this away by saying that the people who enslaved Africans in this country were simply men and women of their age, abiding by the mores of the time.
But, that explanation falters. There were also men and women of the time who found slavery morally reprehensible. The enslavers ignored all this and used anti-black dehumanization to justify the holding of slaves and the profiting from slave labor.
People say that some slave owners were kinder than others.
That explanation too is problematic. The withholding of another person’s freedom is itself violent. And the enslaved people who were shipped to America via the Middle Passage had already endured unspeakably horrific treatment.
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One of the few written accounts of the atrocious conditions on these ships comes from a man named the Rev. Robert Walsh. The British government outlawed the international slave trade in 1807, followed by the United States in 1808. The two nations patrolled the seas to prevent people from continuing to kidnap Africans and bringing them to those countries illegally. In 1829, one of the patrols spotted such a ship, and what Walsh saw when he boarded the ship is beyond belief.
The ship had been at sea for 17 days. There were over 500 kidnapped Africans onboard. Fifty-five had already been thrown overboard.

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The Africans were crowded below the main deck. Each deck was only 3 feet 3 inches high. They were packed so tight that they were sitting up between one another’s legs, everyone completely nude. As Walsh recounted, “there was no possibility of their lying down or at all changing their position by night or day.”
Each had been branded, “burnt with the red-hot iron,” on their breast or arm. Many were children, little girls and little boys.
Not only could light not reach down into the bowels of those ships, neither could fresh air. As Walsh recounted, “The heat of these horrid places was so great and the odor so offensive that it was quite impossible to enter them, even had there been room.”


These people, these human beings, sat in their own vomit, urine and feces, and that of others. If another person sat between your legs, their bowels emptied out on you.
These voyages regularly lasted over a month, meaning many women onboard experienced menstruation in these conditions.
Many of the enslaved, sick or driven mad, were thrown overboard. Others simply jumped. In fact, there was so much human flesh going over the side of those ships that sharks learned to trail them.
This voyage was so horrific that I can only surmise that the men, women and children who survived it were superhuman, the toughest and the most resilient our species has to offer.
But of the people who showed up to greet these reeking vessels of human torture, to bid on its cargo, or to in any way benefit from the trade and industry that provided the demand for such a supply, I have absolute contempt.
Some people who are opposed to taking down monuments ask, “If we start, where will we stop?” It might begin with Confederate generals, but all slave owners could easily become targets. Even George Washington himself.
To that I say, “abso-fricking-lutely!”
George Washington enslaved more than 100 human beings, and he signed the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793, authorizing slavers to stalk runaways even in free states and criminalizing the helping of escaped slaves. When one of the African people he himself had enslaved escaped, a woman named Ona Maria Judge, he pursued her relentlessly, sometimes illegally.

Washington would free his slaves in his will, when he no longer had use for them.

Let me be clear: Those black people enslaved by George Washington and others, including other founders, were just as much human as I am today. They love, laugh, cry and hurt just like I do.

When I hear people excuse their enslavement and torture as an artifact of the times, I’m forced to consider that if slavery were the prevailing normalcy of this time, my own enslavement would also be a shrug of the shoulders.

I say that we need to reconsider public monuments in public spaces. No person’s honorifics can erase the horror he or she has inflicted on others.

Slave owners should not be honored with monuments in public spaces. We have museums for that, which also provide better context. This is not an erasure of history, but rather a better appreciation of the horrible truth of it.
 
When we dismiss historical achivements due to unrelated flaws to do with the concerned individuals, it leads us to lack a sense of direction in our own life. If we aren't remembered in later generations due to what they consider to be sinful, which we would have no way of guessing, it makes us feel like it's not worth doing anything worth remembering and our own life becomes aimless.

[edit] and yes I'm calling being a slave-holder a "unrelated flaw" because you can't prove that something like starting a nuclear-family, having a stay-at-home wife as a husband, or disciplining your children or not allowing them to become trans when they are pre-teens will not be frowned upon just as much, multiple generations from now.
 
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According to their logic, all slave owners should be cancelled. Well, Biden's family did their fair share of slave owning back in the day. So he should be cancelled right?

"Well, Biden's the exception to the rule because blah blah blah..."

The left won't cancel Biden over anything. "Vote Blue No Matter Who", "Rules For Thee, Not Fore Me", etc.
 
White people along the Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts and people in the path of Ottoman armies were as prone to enslavement. Ottomans and Arabs were as likely to enslave them and were often harsher. Ironically given spread of Islam in Africa, Islam being very much an Arab religion, Arabs don't like the basket ballers. No white guilt among them
 
White people along the Mediterranean and Atlantic coasts and people in the path of Ottoman armies were as prone to enslavement. Ottomans and Arabs were as likely to enslave them and were often harsher. Ironically given spread of Islam in Africa, Islam being very much an Arab religion, Arabs don't like the basket ballers. No white guilt among them
Not to mention the Barbary states of north Africa who emptied entire Mediterranean coastal towns of Europeans in the 15th-17th century to sell in slave markets to the Arabs and Turks.

It honestly hurts that no one bothers to learn this interesting bit of history because the barbary wars was the first official american military actions not on the American continents and incredibly important in the history of the US marines.
 
It honestly hurts that no one bothers to learn this interesting bit of history because the barbary wars was the first official american military actions not on the American continents and incredibly important in the history of the US marines.

It's how the "Shores of Tripoli" got into the Marine Corps anthem, after all.

But ain't nobody got time for reading about history these days, much better to just replace it all with a one-page pamphlet "Whitey bad, never forget" that way you can be up-to-speed in 10 seconds instead of having to sit through years of boring classroom lectures that dont' even check anyone's privilege!
 
Not to mention the Barbary states of north Africa who emptied entire Mediterranean coastal towns of Europeans in the 15th-17th century to sell in slave markets to the Arabs and Turks.

It honestly hurts that no one bothers to learn this interesting bit of history because the barbary wars was the first official american military actions not on the American continents and incredibly important in the history of the US marines.
Even some Americsns were taken. It was the reason for the first treaty signed by the US to curb the Barbary Pirates. Strong men became rowers on galleys, whereas Venice would prefer free men. Women might be taken into the harems, a carpenter might become the slave of a Barbary master carpenter or just field slaves. There was a whole class of Catholic Mercerdarian religious orders whose job was to ransom slaves. A Catholic slave might have a realistic hope of returning home, but that in an obvious irony spurred and stimulated the taking of sailors and coastal folk by these pirates or privateers (most pirates were actually privateers with letters of marque from one or more states, anyone from England to Ragusa) acting under licence of the Sublime Porte.
 
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So, when are we going to get around to removing the statues of Buffalo soldiers?
 
Blacks capture and sell their kinsmen into bondage.
White people slay each other to end slavery and don't even geld their slaves when they had them.

Somehow the reason black on black crime is so high and white on black is so low comes into view.
Niggas be racist towards each other.
 
I am an absolutist: enslavers were amoral monsters

Then this idiot must consider a metric shit ton of people throughout history as 'amoral monsters.'

In fact the vast majority of all the people who have ever lived either owned slaves, supported slavery or were involved in some way in keeping the system running in some form or another. and some were far more cruel about it than others

I'd like to see these moralistic idiots name a single society that didn't either practice slavery outright or benefit from it in some form at some point prior to the 19th century. All of europe did, all of africa did, all of asia did, all of the middle east did and the americas did it to a horrifying extent

Funny how you never see these people whining about the romans, the greeks, the egyptians, sumerians or any of the ancient civilizations, nor do you hear them whine about china, japan, korea or any of the native civilizations that practiced slavery. Ask the iroquois, haida, apache, comanche, ute or fucking aztec especially about their histories. You know, that famous native civilization that had its entire religion centered around starting wars specifically to capture people to use as slaves and sacrifices? The civilization that was so utterly despised by every other native civilization that encountered them that they all signed up with the few hundred spanish in the americas to destroy them at their very first opportunity. They like to forget THAT little tidbit of history as well. It wasn't the spanish that conquered the aztec civilization, it was a few hundred of them backed by tens of thousands of natives who jumped at that chance to use the newcomers superior weapons and horses to their advantage to wipe out a group they despised
 
Cyrus brutally eradicated his enemies and let religious minorities grow in his empire.

Alexander was a pederast and conquered the Middle East in a lifetime.

Muhammad had a 9 year old wife and built a religion that grew to an empire within a century.

Martin Luther was a monarch-loving antisemite and he brought low the corruption in the Church

Washington had slaves and he ruled a new republic with restraint.

Every Great Man in history has sin. We honor them for their achievements. Even the statues of the Confederacy were made in honor of the false Lost Cause myth. For the Confederates, their sin of engaging in sedition and violence to prolong the barbarity of slavery is too much to outweigh any decency they might have possessed.

George Washington set the standard of an American leader. Engaging with all perspectives, standing firm when dealing with dissent, knowing when to give up power. He kept the American Revolution from collapsing in on itself. He is a great human being and deserves to be honored as such.
 
When we dismiss historical achivements due to unrelated flaws to do with the concerned individuals, it leads us to lack a sense of direction in our own life. If we aren't remembered in later generations due to what they consider to be sinful, which we would have no way of guessing, it makes us feel like it's not worth doing anything worth remembering and our own life becomes aimless.

[edit] and yes I'm calling being a slave-holder a "unrelated flaw" because you can't prove that something like starting a nuclear-family, having a stay-at-home wife as a husband, or disciplining your children or not allowing them to become trans when they are pre-teens will not be frowned upon just as much, multiple generations from now.
There's a reason the revolutionaries aren't erecting statues of themselves in place of their villains. They're at least smart enough to understand that they'll be villainized just as much by future generations for not being progressive enough.

I say that but I honestly won't be surprised if they *do* start erecting statues for George Floyd or that random trans black person who died.
 
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Yeah.... I’m not happy.
 
Blacks capture and sell their kinsmen into bondage.
White people slay each other to end slavery and don't even geld their slaves when they had them.

Somehow the reason black on black crime is so high and white on black is so low comes into view.
Niggas be racist towards each other.
Slavery is now famously a thing again in Libya, but blacks are still enslaved, always by other blacks, largely in west Africa. Mauritania only recently banned slavery. The UK spent vast sums in the early 19th century ending the trans Atlantic slave trade, to no gratitude.
 
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