🗑️ Trashfire YE24 Megathread - Kanye West (Ye) has announced his bid for the 2024 presidential election. In his infinite wisdom he has tapped Milo as his campaign manager. Nick has tagged along in order to desperately attempt to cling to relevance .

[Colonel Gaddafi]

That's more because according to Church canon law you are supposed to go to the local parish assigned to where you live in, if anything it's historically unprecedented to allow different rites within the same region and have people pick and choose as if they were doing some kind of church shopping.

Canon law does not require you to attend your local parish church, but it does recommend it based on the community aspect. Which is why I said it’s difficult to actually get a headcount on those who would otherwise attend TLM if it were more readily available. Also it’s not unusual for a mainstream Vatican II church to offer both TLM and Novus Ordo, that is if you have a priest qualified to perform both. Though as I said, the Church proper is trying to phase it out. SSPX is kind of it’s own thing, it’s outreach isn’t that large.

Manic as he may be I'm sure Kanye has little motive to get involved with these extremely niche groups, or that he has a need to somehow feel "different" from surrounding Christians -- he sure seems to think of himself as different enough. Besides if he were to comply with the fact he can't marry again after a divorce then I'm sure stuff like obedience to what's essentially your assigned superior should be rather easy, and however unlikely a humble behavior sounds for one of the most ego-bloated men on Earth I still believe that's more likely to happen than the alternative of becoming a part of these religious-political contrarian organizations or to become involved with schismatic groups like the SSPX.

I don’t think Kanye knows the difference between a Catholic and a Protestant, let alone the different schisms within the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. We sure as hell know that Nick doesn’t understand what it actually means to be a traditionalist Catholic, his piss poor theological debates have shown as much.

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Who do you think invented anti-Semitism? It was the Catholic Church. It was only 50 years ago Jews were asking the Church to root out 'latent anti-Semitism' in the Latin Mass, specifically around Easter Mass. You know nothing

I don't know about that - many Catholics, especially Catholics who attend Traditional Latin Mass (which are often performed by priests who were in SSPX seminaries) are very aware of the crisis of modernity, in part due to Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XI. Pope Pius X wrote the famous encyclical "Pascendi Dominici Gregis" in 1907 which talked in no uncertain terms about the dangers of modernism. Modernism and all the problems that have come with it, the culture war, and so on are common subjects of homilies in many Catholic churches, although more common in TLM/SSPX churches.

I'm pretty sure Antisemitism in a European Context was invented when the Seleucid Greeks forced Hellenic Gods to be worshipped in the Second Temple during the events of the Book of Maccabees. Antisemitism in a global context exists as far back as the most likely Pharoah from Exocdus- Pharoah Merneptah due to a stele carved during his reign having the first recorded mention of Israel- specifically, Israel as a conquered and enslaved people.

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LanceHaver]

I'm pretty sure Antisemitism in a European Context was invented when the Seleucid Greeks forced Hellenic Gods to be worshipped in the Second Temple during the events of the Book of Maccabees. Antisemitism in a global context exists as far back as the Pmost likely Pharoah from Exocdus- Pharoah Merneptah due to a stele carved during his reign having the first recorded mention of Israel- specifically, Israel as a conquered and enslaved people.

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You're probably right, maybe I should have said the Church has been the face of it, or stewards of it

 

[AnOminous]

Antisemitism in a global context exists as far back as the most likely Pharoah from Exocdus- Pharoah Merneptah due to a stele carved during his reign having the first recorded mention of Israel- specifically, Israel as a conquered and enslaved people.

Was that really antisemitism though or did they just need some slaves and those were the easiest to conquer?

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Was that really antisemitism though or did they just need some slaves and those were the easiest to conquer?

I mean.... mabye? It probably would have been easier for Merneptah to head west and conquer the Libyan Tribes who were technologically on par with cavemen at the time (sorry @Colonel Gaddafi ) rather than the at least bronze-age Israelites.

The Seleucids though were said to have taken deliberately blasphemous actions against the Jewish religion while governing Judea as a rump-state left over after Alexander The Great's death- ex. sacrificing roast pigs and other unclean animals to Zeus within the Second Temple and banning circumcision.

 

[AnOminous]

I mean.... mabye? It probably would have been easier for Merneptah to head west and conquer the Libyan Tribes who were technologically on par with cavemen at the time (sorry @Colonel Gaddafi ) rather than the at least bronze-age Israelites.

The Seleucids though were said to have taken deliberately blasphemous actions against the Jewish religion while governing Judea as a rump-state left over after Alexander The Great's death- ex. sacrificing roast pigs and other unclean animals to Zeus within the Second Temple and banning circumcision.

It was pretty routine to humiliate the conquered to remind them who was boss. Part of the reason the Romans were successful is they generally respected the religions of the conquered (so long as they stayed obedient) and sometimes even ripped them off.

So your choice was basically be completely obliterated, raped and murdered, or get to keep your religion and holiday festivals and other fun stuff but pay us some money. Oh and also nobody else gets to kick your ass.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Won't work. Evangelicals are overwhelmingly dispensationalist and believe the Jews will accept Jesus as the Messiah before the Second Coming, and that there is an unbroken covenant between God and the Jews as the nation of Israel. For that reason in particular they despise Hitler.

That's also why they are such hardcore pro-Israel supporters among other reasons.

This is one thing Kanye doesn't get. You can't truly go hard on the small hat tribe while worshipping one. At it's core the Christcuck thing is true, they're taught to grovel before (((People))) that viscously hate them.

Can you explain the theology and which parts of scripture they quote?

From what I call tell, Nick is a typical fake Christian (includes Catholics and Orthodox and even most Protestants). Their view of Christianity is transactional. 'I virtue signal Christ is King and attend Church and tithe and society accepts me.' Christianity is like a cost of doing business. However these Evangelicals are real Christians. They view Christianity as a living religion and they must setup the End Times prophecies. They support Zionism because Israel is required for the second coming of Christ and so cutting aid to Israel is unimaginable. These Evangelicals have dual loyalty. They're proud that they put The Bible before country. So telling these people to hate Jews and to destroy Israel is no different from telling them that Jesus wasn't the son of God because you're contradicting their purpose in life: create the End Times and the 2nd coming of Christ. Am I correct?

 

[nothing2]

Sneako got fired for trying to argue with Kanye 1 time, but Nick will definitely convince Kanye to espouse Nick's America First ideology instead of Wakanda black power with open borders.

 

[The Dog Emperor]

A close experience with the effects of pornography and seeing how it turns people's brains into mush seems to bring that kind of reaction, think of a recovering drug junkie being offered heroin.

As a recovering addict myself, there's so much truth to this. Plenty of scientific data to back up the argument that high-speed internet combined with an overabundance of free porn is a recipe for disaster. I agree with Ye that it's a leading cause (but not the main cause) of so many mental health issues today. Historically, porn was limited to just dirty mags, seedy theaters or VHS tapes. Now it's everywhere and easily accessible within seconds a bookmarked list of sites. A quick jerk off back in 1982 could be an 8-hour edging session, with a new set of naked pixels every 10 minutes.

Ye's plan to ban porn itself and enforce his Christian utopia will only just drive up demand for the very thing he's banning. The site Your Brain On Porn actually advocates for better awareness of the neurological issues caused by porn addiction and doesn't call for a ban on it, which the late Dr. Gary Wilson argued would be more harmful than good.

 

[RMQualtrough]

I'm pretty sure Antisemitism in a European Context was invented when the Seleucid Greeks forced Hellenic Gods to be worshipped in the Second Temple during the events of the Book of Maccabees. Antisemitism in a global context exists as far back as the most likely Pharoah from Exocdus- Pharoah Merneptah due to a stele carved during his reign having the first recorded mention of Israel- specifically, Israel as a conquered and enslaved people.

Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I have never before seen anyone possess knowledge as unusual as this.

 

[CraicRock28]

Can you explain the theology and which parts of scripture they quote?

From what I call tell, Nick is a typical fake Christian (includes Catholics and Orthodox and even most Protestants). Their view of Christianity is transactional. 'I virtue signal Christ is King and attend Church and tithe and society accepts me.' Christianity is like a cost of doing business. However these Evangelicals are real Christians. They view Christianity as a living religion and they must setup the End Times prophecies. They support Zionism because Israel is required for the second coming of Christ and so cutting aid to Israel is unimaginable. These Evangelicals have dual loyalty. They're proud that they put The Bible before country. So telling these people to hate Jews and to destroy Israel is no different from telling them that Jesus wasn't the son of God because you're contradicting their purpose in life: create the End Times and the 2nd coming of Christ. Am I correct?

The issue with Evangelicals insisting that Jews are God’s “chosen people” is that Christians and Jews don’t have the same God.

If you’re a Trinitarian (which is imo a criterion for calling yourself a Christian), then you believe Jesus Christ is God. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, rejects [the Christian] God. Jews reject Jesus Christ and thus reject God. How can those who reject the Christian God be His “chosen people?” It makes absolutely no sense.

Zionism is retarded and Evangelicals should stop interpreting the Bible on their own to come up with end times nonsense.

 

[RMQualtrough]

The issue with Evangelicals insisting that Jews are God’s “chosen people” is that Christians and Jews don’t have the same God.

If you’re a Trinitarian (which is imo a criterion for calling yourself a Christian), then you believe Jesus Christ is God. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, rejects [the Christian] God. Jews reject Jesus Christ and thus reject God. How can those who reject the Christian God be His “chosen people?” It makes absolutely no sense.

Zionism is retarded and Evangelicals should stop interpreting the Bible on their own to come up with end times nonsense.

They have the same God, but Christians think Jesus was an incarnation of God on Earth while Jews think he was just, like, a human prophet or w.e.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

I mean.... mabye? It probably would have been easier for Merneptah to head west and conquer the Libyan Tribes who were technologically on par with cavemen at the time (sorry @Colonel Gaddafi ) rather than the at least bronze-age Israelites.

I’d say the Libu were perhaps a step up, we have evidence of them using what would have been considered modern weapons for the time, though I highly doubt that any small tribe would have been any match for Merneptah’s army, even with a flimsy confederation of other local groups. I do find it interesting that the Egyptians claimed to completely obliterate the Israelites, guess they missed a few.

But let me stop my historical sperg before I start.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

As a recovering addict myself, there's so much truth to this. Plenty of scientific data to back up the argument that high-speed internet combined with an overabundance of free porn is a recipe for disaster. I agree with Ye that it's a leading cause (but not the main cause) of so many mental health issues today. Historically, porn was limited to just dirty mags, seedy theaters or VHS tapes. Now it's everywhere and easily accessible within seconds a bookmarked list of sites. A quick jerk off back in 1982 could be an 8-hour edging session, with a new set of naked pixels every 10 minutes.

Ye's plan to ban porn itself and enforce his Christian utopia will only just drive up demand for the very thing he's banning. The site Your Brain On Porn actually advocates for better awareness of the neurological issues caused by porn addiction and doesn't call for a ban on it, which the late Dr. Gary Wilson argued would be more harmful than good.

Banning something is only effective if you have ruthless enforcement methods of possessing it like Singapore where you will be executed for drug trafficking
Singapore is the good example that extreme authoritarianism that is clearly spelt out of what you are and aren't allowed to do is an effective form of government it's also a functioning democracy
But due to the ruling political party actually running the government well it's basically a one-party dictatorship
So yes you could banned pornography you just has to enforce the ban extremely efficiently and saying what is it isn't pornography and not be vague about what you consider pornography
That's the problem with the War on Drugs it's vague what isn't is in possession of drugs what is and isn't dealing drugs it has to be very clearly spelled out

 

[CraicRock28]

They have the same God, but Christians think Jesus was an incarnation of God on Earth while Jews think he was just, like, a human prophet or w.e.

No, Jews think Jesus was a Jewish rebel who is boiling in excrement for claiming to be the Messiah. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet. Neither acknowledges Jesus Christ as fully man AND fully God, thus they both reject God.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

Some low IQ Protestant pastors said some stuff about Jews being called God's Chosen in the Bible meaning modern day Israel is somehow more special than the rest of us and we have generations of hardcore Zionist Evangelicals, especially in the South. Members of my family will literally not even hear any criticism of Israel.

 

[The Dog Emperor]

The issue with Evangelicals insisting that Jews are God’s “chosen people” is that Christians and Jews don’t have the same God.

If you’re a Trinitarian (which is imo a criterion for calling yourself a Christian), then you believe Jesus Christ is God. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, rejects [the Christian] God. Jews reject Jesus Christ and thus reject God. How can those who reject the Christian God be His “chosen people?” It makes absolutely no sense.

Zionism is retarded and Evangelicals should stop interpreting the Bible on their own to come up with end times nonsense.

Can confirm. I was raised in an Islamic background. Christians and Jews are considered People of the Book by Muslims, meaning the connecting threads of their holy books (prophets shared between them, certain events, certain doctrines and dogma) have been left intact by the same God, even if the Torah and Bible became 'corrupted' by man as repeatedly mentioned in the Qu'ran. The Islamic holy book is intended as the final message to mankind.

However, Both Islam and Judaism reject the worship of Christ, but differ in that Muslims acknowledge Jesus as an important prophet and a Muslim. Christianity after him was a western fabrication. He never died on the cross according to the Qu'ran and was brought up to the cosmos to await the end times. When he returns, he's meant to help the Mahdi (a prophesized Imam, or prayer leader) in defeating the Anti-Christ near Israel and ending the presence of both Christianity and Judaism. The Mahdi will rule for a while before dying and Jesus will rule for 40 years, marry and have kids, and then die of old age.

Hope I didn't go off on a tangent, but the Islamic interpretation of Jesus is rarely known to most Christians in the west.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Some low IQ Protestant pastors said some stuff about Jews being called God's Chosen in the Bible meaning modern day Israel is somehow more special than the rest of us and we have generations of hardcore Zionist Evangelicals, especially in the South. Members of my family will literally not even hear any criticism of Israel.

Most of the weird Israel sperging can actually be traced to a minister named C. I. Scofield who composed a study Bible in 1909 that was widely used throughout the US and UK. He was one of the earliest proponents of ‘Christian Zionism’, (a heresy in traditional Catholicism and Orthodoxy) and primarily responsible for its proliferation amongst Anglo Protestants which has, sadly, persisted to the present day. The whole thing can be summed up in the Old Testament’s ‘bless thee that bless you, curse thee that curse you’ line, despite the fact that, you know, the whole New Testament established Christianity as the new Israel. To Catholics it is an example of the dangers of Sola Scriptura, to think, if this chucklefuck’s retarded interpretation of scripture hadn’t been so proliferated we wouldn’t be having to deal with the ‘Chosen’s’ meddling in US affairs, and Israel as a state may not have even come to fruition.

Not that Catholicism isn’t getting cucked, as other Kiwis have pointed out, we’re looking down sixty or so years of Protestantization. Most of my connections in the Deep South are also hardcore Zionists. It’s genuinely depressing because Southern culture is otherwise pretty jam up.

Hope I didn't go off on a tangent, but the Islamic interpretation of Jesus is rarely known to most Christians in the west.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head. I think we’re all going a little off topic, but best write up on the topic I’ve seen on the Farms. Thanks.

 

[Ishtar]

The history of Christian Zionism is interesting, what's frustrating is I was raised in that milieu-getting them to realize their theology had a definite beginning that wasn't St. Paul is very difficult. It's reinforced with media like Left Behind and over three generations of sermons, books, pamphlets, and so on.

Christian Zionism theologically and eschatologically hinges on certain events in Israel as being absolutely essential steps for the end times and hence Jesus' return. So it possesses a deep potency in that way-when your church gives money to support Jewish aliyah, or you hear about plans for the third temple-the parousia becomes ever more immanent, by assisting Israel return to the land, and constructing the third temple-you as the zionist evangelical are in some sense-expediting Christ's return.

Imagine yourself in that mindset-the end times will occur, but but certain events on planet earth must happen and you can expedite their happening, not just with prayer but with direct support, material and rhetorical to the state of israel. In some ways this is way more compelling than replacement theology. By helping Israel, you are bringing Christ's return ever closer.

Evangelical protestants would probably protest if you put it in such terms, but they really believe this. Help Israel-Jesus will come back sooner.

Convincing such Christians to become anti semitic, or even indifferent to the Jews is thus insanely hard if not utterly impossible.

 

[RedactedUser34]

Ne24? bipolar disorder is a motherfucker! 10 billion dollars later and a warehouse full of catboys.