YABookgate

[Jewthulhu]

This book exists. Published by Simon & Schuster, by their Pulse imprint. Can't find it to pirate, but it was available on my library's website. Kinda blows, b/c without a PDF I can't easily copy/paste chunks of text I know I'm gonna wanna preserve for another day.

The reviews are peak GoodReads, too. This one is almost as long as the damn book. This one is woke white girl who doesn't dare say she hated it...even though she points out a bunch of contradictions and confusions. And that all the characters are, well, pretty racist. But plz don't hate on her!

The game appears to be basically a racist Hearthstone, limited to the Melanin enhanced. Whitey need not apply.



Pray for me. I'm going in. Will I learn "what it means to be unapologetically Black " with a capital B? Stay tuned! I cannot mentally not call it "Slay Queen," but that's me.

>Secret club
>Member commits a murder
>MSM labels club as racist, violent, etc.
>Infiltrated by trolls
>Lawsuit threats

Holy shit, did this bitch just unintentionally write a book about 8chan?

 

[Syaoran Li]

Personally, I'd love to see someone write a YA novel that's designed to be as intentionally "based and redpilled" as possible and then self-publish it under a pseudonym just to see the reaction from YA authors and their core reader base.

The Young Adult genre is infamously low quality and I'd wager it was one of the easiest genres to get published in before it got popular and the market became both flooded and heavily insular.

I'm wondering the exact details of when YA became a thing and how it came about. I know it existed before Harry Potter but I'm wondering what the genre looked like before the boom and why it even came into existence in the first place.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I'm wondering the exact details of when YA became a thing and how it came about. I know it existed before Harry Potter but I'm wondering what the genre looked like before the boom and why it even came into existence in the first place.

Just a guess, can't find anything that suggests they are YA novels and apparently the idea behind their existence is basically similar to the YA mindset these days.

 

[Syaoran Li]

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Just a guess, can't find anything that suggests they are YA novels and apparently the idea behind their existence is basically similar to the YA mindset these days.

Shit, I remember these books from when I was in Elementary School. They were part of the same camp as Goosebumps and similar formulaic series fare.

Even I could write a passable YA novel and self-publish it if I decided to put the time into it. It honestly doesn't look that hard compared to any other type of novel.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Personally, I'd love to see someone write a YA novel that's designed to be as intentionally "based and redpilled" as possible and then self-publish it under a pseudonym just to see the reaction from YA authors and their core reader base.

The Young Adult genre is infamously low quality and I'd wager it was one of the easiest genres to get published in before it got popular and the market became both flooded and heavily insular.

I'm wondering the exact details of when YA became a thing and how it came about. I know it existed before Harry Potter but I'm wondering what the genre looked like before the boom and why it even came into existence in the first place.

You'd have to do it under a VPN and have 0 social media presence and just buy adverts on sites. Even with this strategy, they would hound Amazon that hosted your book or anywhere else. If you got a website, they'd hound cloudflare. If you advertised on website, they would hound them. If that didn't get them anywhere, they would threaten them, write murder threats towards them. If that didn't work, they'd constantly flood your review sections with 0 stars with some of the worst written reviews on the planet that looks like they were written by a crazy person living in a cat-piss stained house. If that didn't work, they'd try to paint you as a sex predator, possibly even try to frame you for 'possible crimes'. I do mean this. The only way to avoid this is to avoid labeling your novel as Young Adult so you avoid these people altogether.

Its really hard to know, since early author communities were always catty and insular, but never to this scale. I think realistically what happened is that most authors who weren't like minded just left in disgust. They basically repelled anyone with differentiating views and as time past, this vitriol distilled into the pure, clinical malice we have now.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Just a guess, can't find anything that suggests they are YA novels and apparently the idea behind their existence is basically similar to the YA mindset these days.

The very first Young Adult books historically date back to world war 1 and were unapologetic pieces of propaganda that existed to dupe young men into thinking war was a grand adventure.



They were themselves an extension of the "penny dreadful" which were essentially cheap terrible books usually full of a ton of lewd sexual content. The historian in me is pretty amused by the evolution of the genre. It went from the legit porn industry to government propaganda, to a period where it was halfway decent all the way back to propaganda and porn again. History is a circle.

 

[Syaoran Li]

You'd have to do it under a VPN and have 0 social media presence and just buy adverts on sites. Even with this strategy, they would hound Amazon that hosted your book or anywhere else. If you got a website, they'd hound cloudflare. If you advertised on website, they would hound them. If that didn't get them anywhere, they would threaten them, write murder threats towards them. If that didn't work, they'd constantly flood your review sections with 0 stars with some of the worst written reviews on the planet that looks like they were written by a crazy person living in a cat-piss stained house. If that didn't work, they'd try to paint you as a sex predator, possibly even try to frame you for 'possible crimes'. I do mean this. The only way to avoid this is to avoid labeling your novel as Young Adult so you avoid these people altogether.

Its really hard to know, since early author communities were always catty and insular, but never to this scale. I think realistically what happened is that most authors who weren't like minded just left in disgust. They basically repelled anyone with differentiating views and as time past, this vitriol distilled into the pure, clinical malice we have now.

Agreed. I only mentioned the idea of publishing a "based" YA novel as a joke.

I have actually considered writing and self-publishing a novella or novel in a different genre. Something that would be sort of low-end genre literature, but not really in the YA circle.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

I saw this when I was browsing /lit/ on the other day, apparently there's this young adult author that thinks that she shouldn't competing against old and iconic author.


I admit that she has a point about the Robert Jordan books taking up a shelf but I think she's ignoring the fact that Barnes & Noble sells these books to get more consumers.


Also, something I found bit funny. She is against "toxic masculinity" but at the same time secretly loves it.


Her husband is white if anyone is asking

 

[Mola Ram]

I saw this when I was browsing /lit/ on the other day, apparently there's this young adult author that thinks that she shouldn't competing against old and iconic author.
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I admit that she has a point about the Robert Jordan books taking up a shelf but I think she's ignoring the fact that Barnes & Noble sells these books to get more consumers.
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Also, something I found bit funny. She is against "toxic masculinity" but at the same time secretly loves it.
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Her husband is white if anyone is asking
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Doesnt she sound like a peach.

 

[Furina]

This book exists. Published by Simon & Schuster, by their Pulse imprint. Can't find it to pirate, but it was available on my library's website. Kinda blows, b/c without a PDF I can't easily copy/paste chunks of text I know I'm gonna wanna preserve for another day.

The reviews are peak GoodReads, too. This one is almost as long as the damn book. This one is woke white girl who doesn't dare say she hated it...even though she points out a bunch of contradictions and confusions. And that all the characters are, well, pretty racist. But plz don't hate on her!

The game appears to be basically a racist Hearthstone, limited to the Melanin enhanced. Whitey need not apply.



Pray for me. I'm going in. Will I learn "what it means to be unapologetically Black " with a capital B? Stay tuned! I cannot mentally not call it "Slay Queen," but that's me.

Want to support the author? Fuck you. Here's a link to a pirateable epub.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Want to support the author? Fuck you. Here's a link to a pirateable epub.

I should have edited my post. When I searched there I added an extra "T" to the author's name at first. I did find it when I realized that.

As an aside, I dunno what the rules are about links to piracy sites here. One of those things I've never thought to ask about.

As for the book? TBH it is not as cringe as I thought it was going to be.

Other than the central premise being a video game developed by a 14 year old black girl which has 100,000 regular players, 500,000 registered users (three years on, as our story opens), all black, all not talking about it. And of course her parents, her sister, her clueless friends (all white) and her woke black boyfriend all kept in total ignorance. Oh, and everything about the game is free. And the mod team is the MC and one other. Not only that, there's mention of a modding community for said game. Meaning, I presume, files installed on hard drives, terabytes of server storage somehow leased and so on. The super-secret, super-woke, Wakandan GuildWars2 with a dash of HearthStone or maybe some kind of arena fighter, based upon the one combat scene I've read so far. Cards crossed with some kind of actual virtual combat.

Random questions keep occurring to me, like how would a 14 year old even secure a domain name? Never mind pay for server storage. And ofc nobody has ever tried to stream on Twitch or make YouTube videos of said game. Also, players are banned on a regular basis. But none of them have gone public, either. Welcome to the world of SLAY!

That garbage aside, and aside from the Mary Sue-ness of being able to finish tests in ten minutes her classmates barely finish in a whole class period, the MC is actually kinda tolerable. It is pretty bad, but not brain rotting bad. For one thing she seems to be getting sick of woke boyfriend, 25% in. Dunno.

 

[AnimeGirlConnoisseur]

Even I could write a passable YA novel and self-publish it if I decided to put the time into it. It honestly doesn't look that hard compared to any other type of novel.

Do it.

 

[Pomniman]

I wish we were still in that golden age where authors didn't give a fuck, smoked and drank cheap liquor equivalent to gasoline and then shot themselves in the head before reaching 50.

I miss those days.

The publishing industry is way too pozzed to even dream of publishing anyone like that these days.

 

[Syaoran Li]

The publishing industry is way too pozzed to even dream of publishing anyone like that these days.

That's why self-publishing is the way to go in this day and age, despite the constant flack it gets by professional writers, especially older ones.

Back in the day, self-publishing was a last resort and a sign of low quality. Plus it greatly limited your reach and was costly in the pre-internet era.

But nowadays, the publishing industry is very insular and the bar to get published by a major publisher is a lot higher to clear now even as the quality of books seems to be in decline. The YA genre is a microcosm of that phenomenon that has been greatly amplified. Simply writing a good manuscript that can pass the standards isn't good enough. You also have to know the right people and hold the proper political and social views.

The rise of online publishing has both widened the potential reach of self-published books and reduced a lot of the cost

If you're a new writer and you want to write a novel, especially if it's genre fiction or could be controversial, I'd suggest self-publishing your first book and do what you can to promote it on Amazon and Lulu.

You may have to use a pen name if you're worried about upsetting the woke crowd too much, and as @Secret Asshole it'd be a good choice to avoid the YA genre (or at least avoid labeling it YA) so you can more easily avoid the zealots

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Do it.

Problem is, self-publishing doesn't seem to work very well in YA for some reason. In Romance it practically is the genre at this point, in certain kinds of SF&F (think LitRPG) as well, with in-roads being made into traditional SF&F. But YA, Thriller/Mystery and (of course) fiction with literary pretensions...nope. Much smaller market share.

 

[Pomniman]

That's why self-publishing is the way to go in this day and age, despite the constant flack it gets by professional writers, especially older ones.

Back in the day, self-publishing was a last resort and a sign of low quality. Plus it greatly limited your reach and was costly in the pre-internet era.

But nowadays, the publishing industry is very insular and the bar to get published by a major publisher is a lot higher to clear now even as the quality of books seems to be in decline. The YA genre is a microcosm of that phenomenon that has been greatly amplified. Simply writing a good manuscript that can pass the standards isn't good enough. You also have to know the right people and hold the proper political and social views.

The rise of online publishing has both widened the potential reach of self-published books and reduced a lot of the cost

If you're a new writer and you want to write a novel, especially if it's genre fiction or could be controversial, I'd suggest self-publishing your first book and do what you can to promote it on Amazon and Lulu.

You may have to use a pen name if you're worried about upsetting the woke crowd too much, and as @Secret Asshole it'd be a good choice to avoid the YA genre (or at least avoid labeling it YA) so you can more easily avoid the zealots

I've been there and done that under multiple pseudonyms already over the past four years. It culminated in me being banned off Amazon a month or two ago, which is kinda whatever because I never made that much money there to begin with. There was a thread about it.

I haven't given up or anything, but from what I've seen firsthand, you're a lot more optimistic about self-publishing than you ought to be.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I think there's a reason why a lot of classic authors we read about in school tended to be poets and wrote a lot of short stories, because to me, it sounds like it's a lot easier to get a short story/poem published in a magazine than it is to get a book deal made and turn a profit. People want to be famous now now NOW, but there are types of "ranks" to climb when it comes to making a name for yourself, and so unless you get lucky or have connections, you would be better off submitting short stories to magazines or online forums/sites to just more-or-less give yourself a footprint and maybe potentially gain a small audience who'd vouch for you when you start getting serious.

'Course, I suppose even those places are packed to the gills with the same gatekeepers as we see here, but it doesn't look like these harpies are paying any attention to that because if it doesn't have a page on Goodreads, then that's "below" them.

 

[AnimeGirlConnoisseur]

Problem is, self-publishing doesn't seem to work very well in YA for some reason. In Romance it practically is the genre at this point, in certain kinds of SF&F (think LitRPG) as well, with in-roads being made into traditional SF&F. But YA, Thriller/Mystery and (of course) fiction with literary pretensions...nope. Much smaller market share.

He never said anything about making it a commercial success.

 

[Pomniman]

I think there's a reason why a lot of classic authors we read about in school tended to be poets and wrote a lot of short stories, because to me, it sounds like it's a lot easier to get a short story/poem published in a magazine than it is to get a book deal made and turn a profit. People want to be famous now now NOW, but there are types of "ranks" to climb when it comes to making a name for yourself, and so unless you get lucky or have connections, you would be better off submitting short stories to magazines or online forums/sites to just more-or-less give yourself a footprint and maybe potentially gain a small audience who'd vouch for you when you start getting serious.

'Course, I suppose even those places are packed to the gills with the same gatekeepers as we see here, but it doesn't look like these harpies are paying any attention to that because if it doesn't have a page on Goodreads, then that's "below" them.

The short story and poetry circuits are slightly more "fair" outside of the biggest publications like The New Yorker and such, but it's still a meat grinder and making a name for yourself through short stories and poems as a nobody is extremely difficult these days. Probably more difficult than it used to be in the heyday of reading as an entertainment medium, because it seems like there was more of a demand for writing as a whole back then whereas now magazines, literary journals, and anthologies are far more niche than they were in the era before you had things like hundreds of TV channels let alone video games, the internet, social media, and smartphones.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Looked up that SLAY book.

Aaaand, I'm done here.