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They've also screeched about him misgendering the sister, but he has REPEATEDLY explained why he's done this. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT. It's from the perspective of a 12yo boy whose brother comes out as trans and he hates it.
Do these people not even understand what a story is? The characters are supposed to learn and change throughout the narrative. If the brother was perfect and all accepting from the start, not only would the book be boring and pointless, but it would also be really unrealistic and unhelpful to others in the same situation.
 
Do these people not even understand what a story is? The characters are supposed to learn and change throughout the narrative. If the brother was perfect and all accepting from the start, not only would the book be boring and pointless, but it would also be really unrealistic and unhelpful to others in the same situation.

Fiction is passe. All these people want is this dreadful mix of propaganda and personal validation.
 
Do these people not even understand what a story is? The characters are supposed to learn and change throughout the narrative. If the brother was perfect and all accepting from the start, not only would the book be boring and pointless, but it would also be really unrealistic and unhelpful to others in the same situation.
I've always heard that Mary Sue/wish fulfillment characters are terrible and static/flat characters and are to be avoided, but lately it seems that's what these people want--a perfect, flawless character who does everything they want them to do. If they want that, they can write it themselves and then screech when REAL writers tell them Mary Sue characters are hated for a reason.
 
I hate seeing this guy get hate mobbed for literally no reason by people who don’t even have a fraction of his talent.
It seems like jealousy to an extent. They hate him for being more talented and successful.
I would argue that this the reason why the OwnVoices hashtag even exists in the first place- none of these people have talent and want to tell other people how to write stories.

I guarantee if any these histrionics tried to write and publish a book, the mob would find a reason to cancel them.
 
I've always heard that Mary Sue/wish fulfillment characters are terrible and static/flat characters and are to be avoided, but lately it seems that's what these people want--a perfect, flawless character who does everything they want them to do. If they want that, they can write it themselves and then screech when REAL writers tell them Mary Sue characters are hated for a reason.

I feel like over half of these shrieking harpy gatekeepers have floating around on the web fan fiction they wrote in their heyday that star Mary Sue/self-insert characters. But then they got "flamed" for it and so they "fled" the Internet in tears, only to never outgrow it because they think their writing's God's gift to mankind and therefore won't listen to, let alone understand the concept of critique, so they judge other works based on their own because that's all they know.

We've entered an era where thanks to the Internet, anyone can write whatever they want and post it anywhere they want. So when these folks venture out into the world pursuing something like a writing career or degree, what they take with them is everything they know about how to write fan fiction, a hobby amateur writers dabble in and they and other like-minded autists support each other by not challenging them on anything "hard" or "too triggering" nor to they say anything bad about each others' works because that'll just spark drama or "flame wars" (except when it comes to shipping fics, you're just asking to get flamed for supporting a ship that they don't like). Nobody knows how to critique a work properly because they've been coddled and had their egos stroked for so long. So when they come across people like John Boyne who's been in the industry for many years and built a name for himself, they have a "The future is now, old man!" moment while simultaneously are unable to handle the content he publishes and therefore get "triggered" by a narrative opposite of theirs regardless if the author is in support or not.

And unfortunately these are the kinds of people who somehow managed to get power. Anne Rice, for as batshit insane as she is, may have had a point when she was sending her lawyers after fan fiction writers and scaring them shitless into actually not writing anything ever again. Unless these are those same traumatized souls who are enacting revenge against authors like her, so because they weren't allowed to write what they wanted, now no one gets to write anything under the guise of "ists" and "isms".
 
If these morons can't understand why My Brother's Name is Jessica is a more striking title than My Sister's Name is Jessica, then they've clearly let their brains rot reading nothing more than what rubbish is piling up in the YA fields these days.
 
When these folks venture out into the world pursuing something like a writing career or degree, what they take with them is everything they know about how to write fan fiction, a hobby amateur writers dabble in and they and other like-minded autists support each other by not challenging them on anything "hard" or "too triggering" nor to they say anything bad about each others' works because that'll just spark drama or "flame wars" (except when it comes to shipping fics, you're just asking to get flamed for supporting a ship that they don't like).
I think writing fan fiction can be a good foray into the writing world starting off. There's already an established world, characters, and even plot elements, all you have to do is come up with your fantasies for it (though publishing it is a horrible idea). However, when you never break out of that mindset and you're trying to down people who did to make yourself feel more on their level (as opposed to being mentally and emotionally 13 years old), it's a problem.

If these morons can't understand why My Brother's Name is Jessica is a more striking title than My Sister's Name is Jessica, then they've clearly let their brains rot reading nothing more than what rubbish is piling up in the YA fields these days.
EXACTLY. I said a few pages ago that it's essentially printed clickbait. If I saw a book called 'My Sister's Name is Jessica', I wouldn't give it a second look. But seeing the BROTHER is named Jessica? That's enough for me to at least peek on the dust jacket for a summary. Honestly, I think this could lead to people actually becoming more aware of issues trans people have relating to that who wouldn't otherwise care. With a title as mundane as My Sister's Name is Jessica, so many people who may have read it out of curiosity wouldn't even give it a chance to pique their interest.
 
I think writing fan fiction can be a good foray into the writing world starting off. There's already an established world, characters, and even plot elements, all you have to do is come up with your fantasies for it (though publishing it is a horrible idea). However, when you never break out of that mindset and you're trying to down people who did to make yourself feel more on their level (as opposed to being mentally and emotionally 13 years old), it's a problem.

I completely agree; as fun as it is to laugh at bad fan fiction, it has a purpose in getting fans to come together and share ideas and (hopefully) breed original ideas. It becomes a pit of voles when nobody encourages each other to break the mold, to push each other to do bigger, harder, greater projects in which actually completing those challenges is much more satisfying than getting a simple "review" of praise that amounts to nothing more than them saying "Great chapter, looking forward to more!" A lot of places don't encourage criticism, and that's as much of a problem as it is bullying those bigger than you out of petty jealousy or because you hate their narrative or whatnot.

Also fuck people like Cassandra Clare, E.L. James, and others who publish their shitty fan fiction by just changing the names. It's fucking disgusting, and it just feeds into egos of their readers who think they can get away with it, too. I have no clue how it is they managed to get enough connections who were willing to turn a blind eye and give them a publishing deal, but they never should've. Again, I think Anne Rice had the right idea in pursuing lawsuits against fan fiction writers, even if it was simply because she thought a fangirl was making a profit off of writing two-or-more of her characters partaking in a silly fantastical "what if" 25+ chapters scenario.
 
I completely agree; as fun as it is to laugh at bad fan fiction, it has a purpose in getting fans to come together and share ideas and (hopefully) breed original ideas. It becomes a pit of voles when nobody encourages each other to break the mold, to push each other to do bigger, harder, greater projects in which actually completing those challenges is much more satisfying than getting a simple "review" of praise that amounts to nothing more than them saying "Great chapter, looking forward to more!" A lot of places don't encourage criticism, and that's as much of a problem as it is bullying those bigger than you out of petty jealousy or because you hate their narrative or whatnot.
I think some of this mindset spilled into the reviews of that Enby book on the previous pages. I even saw a review that praised it for having a plot that stayed at a standstill. It's one thing to be gentle in a review of a fanfic obviously written by a child, but you can't keep doing that and expect to see any improvement.

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Sometimes, people who are over the top homophobic are acting that way because they're overcompensating. This is not a rare thing at all in real life, so what's wrong with it happening in a book?

Also, even without reading the book I know the point isn't that she's trans "again", the point is that she sacrificed her happiness in search of her family's acceptance and when they saw how they were hurting her, are now trying to be more open. The quote this person gives "It's what you wanted, isn't it?" is clearly meant to show that she just wants her family's love even if it hurts her.

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"But I'm trans. So I'll never get that chance."
Nah, you'll never get that chance because you can't write. Or understand a book written for kids by the looks of it.
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The Boy In The Striped Pajamas is a children's book that can't go into graphic detail about all the things that occurred during the holocaust. The worst things that happen in the story are all merely implied or happen off-screen. While there are things in it that are inaccurate (the main character being able to crawl under the fence in a concentration camp being a big one), it's fiction and is allowed some artistic license. The core of the story, that hate is something people learn, is what matters and it shows this well.
 
I think some of this mindset spilled into the reviews of that Enby book on the previous pages. I even saw a review that praised it for having a plot that stayed at a standstill. It's one thing to be gentle in a review of a fanfic obviously written by a child, but you can't keep doing that and expect to see any improvement.

Like I've said, no one knows how to critique anymore because none of these people know how to tell the difference between good and bad storytelling. I actually thought you were talking about this Jay Hulme faggot at first, and how Twitter is not really a good place to leave provocative reviews since a character limit means needing to have a constant chain, but it sounds like a Goodread's comment. Also Jay's a "sensitivity reader" so anything he says can be immediately disregarded.

Honestly, authors should be offended any time they get coddled in a review. A true writer needs to understand they cannot please everyone, but they want to improve their skill and therefore need to welcome criticism even in a positive review. Yes, there's some negative reviews that have no merit and they should be mocked/ignored (although there are some people who just can't explain why it is they don't like something), but if you can't recognize the "Your story is bad and you should feel bad" from the "Your narrative is an incomprehensible mess that makes me feel like I'm suffering from a stroke, so here are some notable examples and how you can fix them" comments, then I'm afraid you won't go far as a writer if you are unable to or are unwilling to teach yourself how to make the right judgment call. Meanwhile, if you're not going to accept negative criticism of any kind and police them, then you have no business being a writer and need to be kicked.

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The Boy In The Striped Pajamas is a children's book that can't go into graphic detail about all the things that occurred during the holocaust. The worst things that happen in the story are all merely implied or happen off-screen. While there are things in it that are inaccurate (the main character being able to crawl under the fence in a concentration camp being a big one), it's fiction and is allowed some artistic license. The core of the story, that hate is something people learn, is what matters and it shows this well.

I've never read the book so I don't know how the narrative carried itself, but the movie was still fucked up in showing how actions have consequences and that dehumanizing people kills your sense of empathy. Yeah, it's inaccurate in a lot of ways, but having historical inaccuracies is really its only real sin, if you want to go there. If that's enough to keep you from learning about human nature in fiction (and a children's book at that), you're automatically a control freak killjoy, and you probably are going to die alone.
 
I completely agree; as fun as it is to laugh at bad fan fiction, it has a purpose in getting fans to come together and share ideas and (hopefully) breed original ideas. It becomes a pit of voles when nobody encourages each other to break the mold, to push each other to do bigger, harder, greater projects in which actually completing those challenges is much more satisfying than getting a simple "review" of praise that amounts to nothing more than them saying "Great chapter, looking forward to more!" A lot of places don't encourage criticism, and that's as much of a problem as it is bullying those bigger than you out of petty jealousy or because you hate their narrative or whatnot.

Also fuck people like Cassandra Clare, E.L. James, and others who publish their shitty fan fiction by just changing the names. It's fucking disgusting, and it just feeds into egos of their readers who think they can get away with it, too. I have no clue how it is they managed to get enough connections who were willing to turn a blind eye and give them a publishing deal, but they never should've. Again, I think Anne Rice had the right idea in pursuing lawsuits against fan fiction writers, even if it was simply because she thought a fangirl was making a profit off of writing two-or-more of her characters partaking in a silly fantastical "what if" 25+ chapters scenario.

Fan fiction can be a gateway drug into becoming passionate about writing, but only if you’re willing to improve and be willing to tell an interesting and intriguing story. After all, the goal of the author is to create an out of this world experience for readers- something which self indulgent Mary Sue stories can’t do because they were tailored to the author’s wish fulfillment fantasy.


Also, truly great characters resonate with people because they’re relateable regardless of whatever they’d fill out in a consensus report- all due to how they’re written. But these hacks seem to think that a gender identity/race/whatever minority group replaces the need for this called a personality. If they can’t even get personality down, then they inevitably don’t understand what character development is and won’t have it in their story.

Also, that Jay person does not realize that the only reason they’re most likely not getting book deals/representation from traditional publishing houses for these following reasons:

1. They haven’t actually produced a manuscript that is up to publishing standard. While yes there are a lot of crap books out on the market, that still doesn’t excuse them from following the rules when it comes to what publishing houses are typically looking for. When you’re starting out, you’re the rule- not the exception regardless of your identity.

2. Maybe they did produce a decent manuscript, but their own social media feed is preventing any publishing house from wanting to associate with them. If they’re this negative over rejections, to the point of accusing transphobia, then how will they respond when readers don’t like their work- will those readers be Transphobic all the sudden? Believe it or not, readers don’t like being told they’re wrong for their likes/dislikes.

3. They haven’t written anything at all and just want a publishing house to approach them for writing a novel- which seems to be a common mindset for those who believe in the OwnVoices shit. See: refusal to actually put work into making their dreams come true.
 
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Sometimes, people who are over the top homophobic are acting that way because they're overcompensating. This is not a rare thing at all in real life, so what's wrong with it happening in a book?

Also, even without reading the book I know the point isn't that she's trans "again", the point is that she sacrificed her happiness in search of her family's acceptance and when they saw how they were hurting her, are now trying to be more open. The quote this person gives "It's what you wanted, isn't it?" is clearly meant to show that she just wants her family's love even if it hurts her.
I see zero issue with this. It sounds very realistic to me actually. I would think an openly trans person of all people would know that people don't always throw glitter and confetti when they come out as trans. Some people WILL treat you different. Hell, some parents will throw their kids out. The fact that the mother didn't disown 'Jessica' immediately is more than a lot of parents can say.
The Boy In The Striped Pajamas is a children's book that can't go into graphic detail about all the things that occurred during the holocaust. The worst things that happen in the story are all merely implied or happen off-screen. While there are things in it that are inaccurate (the main character being able to crawl under the fence in a concentration camp being a big one), it's fiction and is allowed some artistic license. The core of the story, that hate is something people learn, is what matters and it shows this well.
There's this thing called 'suspension of disbelief'. These people need to learn it. Although I will say, in my experience, the people least likely to accept any sort of bar for that...are people with Asperger's. There's also a huge overlap with trannies and people with that. See where I'm going with this?
Honestly, authors should be offended any time they get coddled in a review. A true writer needs to understand they cannot please everyone, but they want to improve their skill and therefore need to welcome criticism even in a positive review.
Fan fiction can be a gateway drug into becoming passionate about writing, but only if you’re willing to improve and be willing to tell an interesting and intriguing story.
Agreed on both counts. When I was in college, one of my professors said that one of the most important skills in writing is to learn to 'kill your darlings', meaning accepting constructive criticism and knowing you're not going to be perfect. You cannot please everyone. For every person who enjoyed your story, you'll have someone who doesn't or thinks it can be improved. And quite frankly, I've seen the people who frequent fanfic websites. For the most part they're either physically or mentally 13 years old and are idealistic. What 13 year old has good judgement? Like, I wouldn't trust a 13yo's opinion on anything really, certainly not something I wrote and plan to publish. Even if they're well-spoken enough to give a detailed opinion, it'll still be very idealistic if it's about their favorite fandom. But yeah, you can't rely on just compliments, especially if you want to publish.

Also fuck people like Cassandra Clare, E.L. James, and others who publish their shitty fan fiction by just changing the names.
Agreed. Cassie denies it but she's either delusional or just doesn't want to admit to it. I know that Fifty Shades and the Mortal Instruments series are quite different from the stories they're based on, but come on. It's too easy to do that. Try harder. Fifty Shades is hot garbage on its own regardless, but still could've been somewhat original if it wasn't obvious what it was based on.
 
There's this thing called 'suspension of disbelief'. These people need to learn it. Although I will say, in my experience, the people least likely to accept any sort of bar for that...are people with Asperger's. There's also a huge overlap with trannies and people with that. See where I'm going with this?

Gonna challenge this in that it's not supposed to be used as an excuse, and people with Asperger's can be taught suspension of disbelief, whether through outside help or they have to learn to do it themselves (although if you read all your life yet just cannot allow yourself to be immersed into the story, then I guess you're a lost cause). You can look at a series in a logistical or even technical manner and still enjoy it as long as you understand what went into it, but if you're going to consistently try to derail fiction with "ackshually" when it's not a legit problem in the narrative, then you're just an asshole who can't enjoy things, autism be damned.
 
Gonna challenge this in that it's not supposed to be used as an excuse, and people with Asperger's can be taught suspension of disbelief, whether through outside help or they have to learn to do it themselves (although if you read all your life yet just cannot allow yourself to be immersed into the story, then I guess you're a lost cause).
Oh, I completely agree. I think with treatment, they can get over it. But they have to actually accept treatment and do the work required. These people won't do that for whatever reason. You can't just maybe do talk therapy but never listen to your therapist. It takes more than just popping a pill once a day to reprogram your mind.
You can look at a series in a logistical or even technical manner and still enjoy it as long as you understand what went into it, but if you're going to consistently try to derail fiction with "ackshually" when it's not a legit problem in the narrative, then you're just an asshole who can't enjoy things, autism be damned.
Agreed on this too. I do think some people are just assholes and even if they do see the point and CAN suspend their disbelief, they'll find a reason not to, but see my last paragraph for the other side of it.

I am glad some people aren't caving to this bullshit. I have the utmost respect for Boyne for not taking any shit from the outrage mob. Yeah he left Twitter for a bit, but that could be for his own mental health and not to be a coward. I truly think some people are better off taking a break, even if they look like a coward. It seems like he was one. I don't blame him for how he handled it and if I was in his shoes I'd have done something similar. It's exhausting just watching people argue with the SJW types that would complain about this shit, let alone actually doing it (don't judge; I was young and foolish).
 
I can't wait for a transauthor to reach mainstream success only to have Twitter turn on them when they start writing fiction that has nothing to do with trans issues. These OwnVoices people just want to keep authors in boxes.
 
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