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The problem with Comfort Women is that, the Japanese are successful in erasing their crimes of Comfort Women to the point people rarely brought that up again, even in countries they occupied like in Southeast Asia. Of course exceptions applies with China and the two Koreas, but their nation-myth involves Japanese War Crimes, so they won't forget it. This is why most of the time, people who brought up that issue in the West are people descended from those countries
You can't shame people who refuse to be ashamed. This is why you never apologise to the mob because all they really want is an admission of guilt so they can justify their abuse of you. The Japanese and the Turks know this. The Germans don't. How many times have they apologised for the Holocaust but still beaten over the head for it? Luckily, most of the people call out this kind of thing are uneducated and live deep inside a cultural bubble, so they have no idea what the Japanese were up to in the 30s and 40s and trying to teach this would make their NPC brains fizzle when they learn that non-Whites can do bad things too.
 
Someone posted the Nebula Awards announcement from the SFWA Twitter. There's this sentence:

"Comfort elves are available in the forest biosphere this year, should you need one, no quest required."

They leap on "colored people" but are oblivious to the play on the term "comfort women". 🤦‍♀️
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Here's the now deleted tweet. If it was archived I can't find it.
 
Not gonna lie, the shaddenfraude has been delicious. There's a reason why

SFWA clearly planned to stick the knife in Mercedes Lackey's back even before she gave an excuse - that statement was a pretty clearly written drafted PR statement with some details plugged in.

They didn't count on Samuel Delaney, pervert he may be, to speak in her defense. Or Steven Barnes, maybe the most successful black scifi author of all time. Or big names like Robin Hobb or Laurel K. Hamilton to call them out. Hell, the biggest black author they could dredge up to speak out in favor of kicking out Lackey was SFWA bootlicker K. Tempest Bradford, who has barely scraped together a dozen short stories over 30 years.

They didn't count on a ton of gay and lesbian readers to blast them for stabbing Mercedes Lackey in the back... or remind SFWA they were silent as the grave over NK Jemisen nearly killing Isabel Fall.

Or mainstream media to pick up the story. Egged on largely by right wing authors like Larry Correia rightfully pointing out they've done this shit for years, and have finally started snipping at their own side. Larry's Twitter feed has been a must follow on this.

And then, with people pissed off, and all eyes on them, they make a joke about Comfort Woman.

Between that and the directory leak, SFWA is having the week from hell, and I am loving every second.

Mercedes Lackey had a massive fucking sperg out back in the early 00's on the Baens Bar calling her publisher a fucking fascist and all her readers to, and most of her fellow writers, it was a bold strategy and she's I think still banned, didn't hurt her working relationship with Jim Baen though.

Lackey and Baen enjoy an odd relationship... for all the political divide, Baen does publish lefty authors, including Lackey. And Lackey admits her books with Baen make her more money than her more well-known books with DAW.

And yet, when the chips are down, Baen and Baen authors were the first people to defend her, something she and her husband have openly praised.

There's no protection these days from purity politics. She was fully supportive of the gays and they smoked her anyway. The sFWA announcement is locked on Twitter, and all the "good work SFWA" comes from dangerhaired rainbow flag smol beans fae/faer who fucking owe a goddamn chunk of their accepted existence to Lackey and her championing LGBT characters and people though her career.

Big "Bitch, you knew I was a snake" energy there.

Baen's Bar is a cesspit of old whiny fuckers though, I bought myself access onto the forums a couple of months ago and it was riddled with 80 yo geriatrics with the occasional full Chris-Chan autist. It's beyond saving, but maybe it did have enough people back in the day you could have a conversation and exchange of ideas.

My opinion: Back in the day people were less adept at expressing dissenting political opinions: then it was no biggie to say "X sucks and they all deserve to be shot" rather than the more measured "the X lifestyle has tended to extreme positions I cannot fully support for Y reasons (citation produced), and I look forward to a more benign iteration" or something like that.

Meh Baen's Bar you can take it or leave it(I mostly leave it) but it's still pretty darn funny she called her readers publisher and fellow authors a bunch or goosestepping fascists because she had her preconceptions challenged. Its an amusing anecdote nothing more

Baen's Bar suffers from the fact that, even before they had to make it hard to access thanks to that smear job Jason Sanford did to get Baen's editor in chief kicked out of WorldCon, that its userbase trends older largely because most of the younger Baen authors and fans have Facebook groups and Twitter chats and Discord servers, several of which have thousands to tends of thousands of active users.
 
I'm sorry, what?!

Oh, you missed that?

Isabel Fall was a newly published trans author, with a debut story in Clarkesworld titled "I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter". Not a bad bit of military scifi, LGBT themes not too obnoxious, but everyone that read it enjoyed it, and for a debut story from a first time author, couldn't have asked for a better reception. For a newbie author, Fall had a ton of promise.

Enter NK Jemisen, SFWA's carefully constructed three-time Hugo winning poster child of the New Face of Speculative Fiction (TM). Jemisen led a Twitter lynch mob to have the story pulled and desperately tried to dig up any personal info about Fall, claiming they suspected Fall was actually a straight man pretending to be trans to get published. Lots of folks latched on to the crusade, including a chunk of SFWA, and in spite of a small pool of people standing up to fall - and odd alliance of LGBT authors and right-wing mil scifi authors - pressure built.

In an unprecedented move, Clarkesworld caved and pulled the story. Jemisen and the SWFA wokies spiked the football... only for word to get out that Fall had attempted suicide, and checked into psychiatric care. And to make matters worse, in a quickly delated Tweet, Jemisen admitted she'd never read the story in the first place. Until an article in Vox over a year later ran, Jemisen never so much as apologized.

Fall has given up writing entirely, goes by a different name, and is back in the closet under said name. In a way, NK Jemisen succeeded in killing Isabel Fall, and did succeed in killing her career... and until the article dropped, the biggest genre names to raise a word in her defense were the damned Sad Puppies. Despite being given a Hugo nomination out of pity, as far as I know, the only publisher to offer her anything after this was Baen, where she has a standing offer for whatever she writes next that, to my knowledge, she's never responded to.

It's why there is a growing rift between the LGBT crowd in SFWA and the Black Futurism wing of SFWA... because the poster child of the latter damn nearly killed the first actual crossover success of the former, and successfully killed her career and drove her back into the closet. That the wokies of SFWA who wrap themselves in the rainbow flag had a hand in leading a lynch mob against a trans author that was successful outside of their clique. And why all the gushing profiles, Hugos, Masterclasses and quick Wikipedia editors can't erase that NK Jemisen's biggest mainstream success is almost driving a trans author to suicide who wrote a short story with more power than every novel Jemisen's ever written.
 
Oh, you missed that?

Isabel Fall was a newly published trans author, with a debut story in Clarkesworld titled "I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter". Not a bad bit of military scifi, LGBT themes not too obnoxious, but everyone that read it enjoyed it, and for a debut story from a first time author, couldn't have asked for a better reception. For a newbie author, Fall had a ton of promise.

Enter NK Jemisen, SFWA's carefully constructed three-time Hugo winning poster child of the New Face of Speculative Fiction (TM). Jemisen led a Twitter lynch mob to have the story pulled and desperately tried to dig up any personal info about Fall, claiming they suspected Fall was actually a straight man pretending to be trans to get published. Lots of folks latched on to the crusade, including a chunk of SFWA, and in spite of a small pool of people standing up to fall - and odd alliance of LGBT authors and right-wing mil scifi authors - pressure built.

In an unprecedented move, Clarkesworld caved and pulled the story. Jemisen and the SWFA wokies spiked the football... only for word to get out that Fall had attempted suicide, and checked into psychiatric care. And to make matters worse, in a quickly delated Tweet, Jemisen admitted she'd never read the story in the first place. Until an article in Vox over a year later ran, Jemisen never so much as apologized.

Fall has given up writing entirely, goes by a different name, and is back in the closet under said name. In a way, NK Jemisen succeeded in killing Isabel Fall, and did succeed in killing her career... and until the article dropped, the biggest genre names to raise a word in her defense were the damned Sad Puppies. Despite being given a Hugo nomination out of pity, as far as I know, the only publisher to offer her anything after this was Baen, where she has a standing offer for whatever she writes next that, to my knowledge, she's never responded to.

It's why there is a growing rift between the LGBT crowd in SFWA and the Black Futurism wing of SFWA... because the poster child of the latter damn nearly killed the first actual crossover success of the former, and successfully killed her career and drove her back into the closet. That the wokies of SFWA who wrap themselves in the rainbow flag had a hand in leading a lynch mob against a trans author that was successful outside of their clique. And why all the gushing profiles, Hugos, Masterclasses and quick Wikipedia editors can't erase that NK Jemisen's biggest mainstream success is almost driving a trans author to suicide who wrote a short story with more power than every novel Jemisen's ever written.

I heard about this story, but I forgot her name -- "Attack Helicopter" I immediately recognized -- and I never knew Jemisin was the driving force behind it. What an unbelievable piece of shit. Unwarranted success just isn't enough for her, I guess.
 
I'm sorry, what?!

Oh, you missed that?

Isabel Fall was a newly published trans author, with a debut story in Clarkesworld titled "I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter". Not a bad bit of military scifi, LGBT themes not too obnoxious, but everyone that read it enjoyed it, and for a debut story from a first time author, couldn't have asked for a better reception. For a newbie author, Fall had a ton of promise.

Enter NK Jemisen, SFWA's carefully constructed three-time Hugo winning poster child of the New Face of Speculative Fiction (TM). Jemisen led a Twitter lynch mob to have the story pulled and desperately tried to dig up any personal info about Fall, claiming they suspected Fall was actually a straight man pretending to be trans to get published. Lots of folks latched on to the crusade, including a chunk of SFWA, and in spite of a small pool of people standing up to fall - and odd alliance of LGBT authors and right-wing mil scifi authors - pressure built.

In an unprecedented move, Clarkesworld caved and pulled the story. Jemisen and the SWFA wokies spiked the football... only for word to get out that Fall had attempted suicide, and checked into psychiatric care. And to make matters worse, in a quickly delated Tweet, Jemisen admitted she'd never read the story in the first place. Until an article in Vox over a year later ran, Jemisen never so much as apologized.

Fall has given up writing entirely, goes by a different name, and is back in the closet under said name. In a way, NK Jemisen succeeded in killing Isabel Fall, and did succeed in killing her career... and until the article dropped, the biggest genre names to raise a word in her defense were the damned Sad Puppies. Despite being given a Hugo nomination out of pity, as far as I know, the only publisher to offer her anything after this was Baen, where she has a standing offer for whatever she writes next that, to my knowledge, she's never responded to.

It's why there is a growing rift between the LGBT crowd in SFWA and the Black Futurism wing of SFWA... because the poster child of the latter damn nearly killed the first actual crossover success of the former, and successfully killed her career and drove her back into the closet. That the wokies of SFWA who wrap themselves in the rainbow flag had a hand in leading a lynch mob against a trans author that was successful outside of their clique. And why all the gushing profiles, Hugos, Masterclasses and quick Wikipedia editors can't erase that NK Jemisen's biggest mainstream success is almost driving a trans author to suicide who wrote a short story with more power than every novel Jemisen's ever written.

There was also the fun little epilogue where one of the others who had been ringleading the brigade against Isabel Fall, Neon Yang, came out with their own story that handled similar themes and ideas just recently. Yang had deleted their tweets when the drama kicked off and had an apology left up. But when they realized that the apology still implicated them, they deleted that, too. Yang managed to dodge justice by claiming that anyone accusing them of it was just being racist to a POC non-binary creative. I think the only one that got archived or screenshotted was Yang's apology. Turns out Benjanun Sriduangkaew was ahead of her time.
 
Can anyone point me towards the SFWA database leak? I want to cross reference with pedo lists.
From what others have said it might be through another forum (Opie and Andy but now mostly dedicated to trolling Patrick Tomlinson - a writer who used a lot of SFWA money to sue them when he could have just... ignored them I suppose? ) If there was anyone untoward on the list they'd have been on top of it already.

Sadly that will be a fulsome list of sexual paraphiliacs though.
 
From what others have said it might be through another forum (Opie and Andy but now mostly dedicated to trolling Patrick Tomlinson - a writer who used a lot of SFWA money to sue them when he could have just... ignored them I suppose? ) If there was anyone untoward on the list they'd have been on top of it already.

Sadly that will be a fulsome list of sexual paraphiliacs though.
@TheCosmicWarrior as a former member might have more info
 
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Here's the now deleted tweet. If it was archived I can't find it.

SFWA is just a less attractive and more nerdy version of Hollywood and they keep saying the quiet parts out loud. They want their slaves, they love copying authoritarian tyrants, but they also pray their Twitter readers can only remember the Nazis were bad because that's the narrative they follow.

Nazis and slave owners = bad

Every other totalitarian regime or terrible aspect of history = unknown

These people aren't against slavery or sex slaves or even child slaves. It's why the comfort elf joke went through their sensitivity readers check. I wouldn't be insulted by it, I wouldn't find it offensive, I'd think it's funny. Finally a group with some balls, right?

Nope, they deleted it and ran away from their bias, because the narrative was cracked. All we have to do is wait for another flub. Maybe something related to the Uyghurs or anything Latino since we all know those people don't exist unless they're illegal(according to the narrative).


There was also the fun little epilogue where one of the others who had been ringleading the brigade against Isabel Fall, Neon Yang, came out with their own story that handled similar themes and ideas just recently. Yang had deleted their tweets when the drama kicked off and had an apology left up. But when they realized that the apology still implicated them, they deleted that, too. Yang managed to dodge justice by claiming that anyone accusing them of it was just being racist to a POC non-binary creative. I think the only one that got archived or screenshotted was Yang's apology. Turns out Benjanun Sriduangkaew was ahead of her time.

Neon Yang is a garbage human and thinks the only people who exist are those who follow the narrative. For me, I don't think it's dodging justice when the person now has to live as a progressive sub-human who can't function in society and now has the stain of woke toxicity. The second the trend dies and it goes out of fashion, there's no more need for yesterday's woke crap.

This is why so many YA writers fail after the trend is over. Not only do they end up getting lost in the past, but the trend dies and takes their career with them unless they can adapt. Most can't because they're one trick ponies and are stupid enough (like Neon "I can pee sitting down in the men's room" Yang) to revolve their useless life around the trend that dies in a decade.

It's like watching Disco Stu try to say hello fellow kids and is as ridiculous as it sounds.
 
Nope, they deleted it and ran away from their bias, because the narrative was cracked. All we have to do is wait for another flub. Maybe something related to the Uyghurs
Pretty sure SFWA loves China since in like a year or two they're holding a major convention there. At least I read something like that in Fat Rick Tomlinson's thread.
 
Pretty sure SFWA loves China since in like a year or two they're holding a major convention there. At least I read something like that in Fat Rick Tomlinson's thread.
Weirdly I think they're VERY mixed about that and haven't reached a concensus what to think.

On one hand: CHINA = BAD

On the other: Non-Western POC country challenging US-Centric Fandom = GOOD

Another interesting factor is the "SMOF" a Secret Master Of Fandom, people who come in to TAKE OVER an overseas Worldcon if it shows any hint of going against the grain or wrongthinking in any way. There may be a lot of SFWA overlap, although SMOFs are more creatives rather than writers.

The problem with Chengdu is that just like King Theoden says to Gandalf: the SMOFs have no power there. Either they play along and get to participate, otherwise they get locked out, and the convention continues without them. So they HAVE to be seen to be supportive, because once a Worldcon can be seen to run without them, the whole shambles falls apart and EVERY US convention starts telling the SMOFs to GTFO.
 
Oh, you missed that?

Isabel Fall was a newly published trans author, with a debut story in Clarkesworld titled "I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter". Not a bad bit of military scifi, LGBT themes not too obnoxious, but everyone that read it enjoyed it, and for a debut story from a first time author, couldn't have asked for a better reception. For a newbie author, Fall had a ton of promise.

Enter NK Jemisen, SFWA's carefully constructed three-time Hugo winning poster child of the New Face of Speculative Fiction (TM). Jemisen led a Twitter lynch mob to have the story pulled and desperately tried to dig up any personal info about Fall, claiming they suspected Fall was actually a straight man pretending to be trans to get published. Lots of folks latched on to the crusade, including a chunk of SFWA, and in spite of a small pool of people standing up to fall - and odd alliance of LGBT authors and right-wing mil scifi authors - pressure built.

In an unprecedented move, Clarkesworld caved and pulled the story. Jemisen and the SWFA wokies spiked the football... only for word to get out that Fall had attempted suicide, and checked into psychiatric care. And to make matters worse, in a quickly delated Tweet, Jemisen admitted she'd never read the story in the first place. Until an article in Vox over a year later ran, Jemisen never so much as apologized.

Fall has given up writing entirely, goes by a different name, and is back in the closet under said name. In a way, NK Jemisen succeeded in killing Isabel Fall, and did succeed in killing her career... and until the article dropped, the biggest genre names to raise a word in her defense were the damned Sad Puppies. Despite being given a Hugo nomination out of pity, as far as I know, the only publisher to offer her anything after this was Baen, where she has a standing offer for whatever she writes next that, to my knowledge, she's never responded to.

It's why there is a growing rift between the LGBT crowd in SFWA and the Black Futurism wing of SFWA... because the poster child of the latter damn nearly killed the first actual crossover success of the former, and successfully killed her career and drove her back into the closet. That the wokies of SFWA who wrap themselves in the rainbow flag had a hand in leading a lynch mob against a trans author that was successful outside of their clique. And why all the gushing profiles, Hugos, Masterclasses and quick Wikipedia editors can't erase that NK Jemisen's biggest mainstream success is almost driving a trans author to suicide who wrote a short story with more power than every novel Jemisen's ever written.
The primary takeaway from that kerfuffle in these circles seems to be "we shouldn't harass authors, they could be queer!" instead of "we shouldn't harass authors because it's a scummy thing to do." Any lessons learned only apply to "marginalized" "voices," but you are free to do this if you could somehow prove that it really was written by a white man.
 
Damn. I wonder who's on the blacklist, err, blocklist? Aside from JK Rowling, presumably.
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You mean to tell me people who disagree with the T are going to be labeled as transphobic and blacklisted? It's the hoops these people go through to demand people worship them or face being punished because you refused to bow down. They show no shame if someone loses their career if they disagree with them.
 
Damn. I wonder who's on the blacklist, err, blocklist? Aside from JK Rowling, presumably.
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That would suck, you could be scrolling along and Twitter shows you a post that says, "Guards being installed outside of Mothers Rooms In Shopping Malls" and you like it because our local was always lousy with druggies (it was warm and the chairs were nice) and then find out it was part of a thread on Men In Ladies Toilets and *boom* "Yer On The Terf List, Harry Potter"
 
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