YABookgate

[Flexo]

To be fair the people I'm referring to actually have individual threads in the Lolcow section so its not entirely a personal observation!

You ain't wrong but that's also why I proposed a scale. Some of those lolcows are more like lolgoats or lolpigs.

 

[The Southwest Strangla]

An example of the type of book “reviewers” that the YA community attracts.

I’d make a joke about them being trapped in a perpetual childhood, but the screencap below speaks for itself.
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oh shit, a man wrote a book. gotta burn it. ffs I have always love goosebumps as a kid and, a few months ago, I've seen a video of a guy saying he was a "big" fan of the series but got upset about one of the "say cheese and die" books because the kid turned into a blob. he said it was body shaming. I don't get why people deep dive into kid books and get into a shit fit over it
edit: wrong book

 

[JJLiautaud]

You should start a thread about it. I don't read much fiction. I'd love to read more. It's hard to find the good stuff.

We should just start a dedicated spec fic(scifi fantasy) thread.

 

[Boston Brand]

You should start a thread about it. I don't read much fiction. I'd love to read more. It's hard to find the good stuff.

We should just start a dedicated spec fic(scifi fantasy) thread.

I've debated it for a while, as well as maybe a general LOLcow thread for the usual SFWA bootlickers, asshats and looneys.

So would there be some interest in one or both?

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

So would there be some interest in one or both?

Both. I think they would sustain themselves with good OPs that don't restrict discussion too narrowly.

 

[Kosher Dill]

So would there be some interest in one or both?

I couldn't contribute anything but I'd be interested in reading a "Lolcows Of SF" thread. They do, after all, still sit upstream of culture somehow.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I've debated it for a while, as well as maybe a general LOLcow thread for the usual SFWA bootlickers, asshats and looneys.

So would there be some interest in one or both?

Yes, the state of traditional publishing ecosystem and the clown show that it attracts. It would cast a wide net.

Anything with $money$ involved seems to invoke a particular madness among authors and readers - at least with self publishing, unless there is a particular book that is seen as gregariously offensive (Look up "Save The Pearls" by Victoria Foyt for a drama which crossed the boundaries in to the Current Conversation about 10 years ago) it tends to get ignored now - nobody gives a fuck if a "Turner Diaries Meets Mein Kampf" gets published on Amazon - it's sort of expected for weirdly extreme books to land there.

I've been listening to a few Larry Corriea podcasts on YouTube, and honestly back in the 90's and earlier with his live-and-let-live opinions he'd have been seen as having lefty views. People always talk about the Overton window shifting, and it's literally shifted in both directions. In any other universe he would be a moderate centrist.

Some Hugo Sperging:

The Puppies was hijacked by VD, no question. Brad Torgersen raised some important issues on cliques with the Sad Puppies but as soon as the Rabid Puppies got involved the message was lost.

There is some Puppy-diversity -- the way it was mooted to be -- sneaking in. In 2022 there is a slight lean to Hugo nominees being less "my good friend Jim who came to every US convention" and I'll vote for him if he votes for me" and tiny cracks of "this book I read and liked regardless of whether I knew the person". Obviously the authors aren't some huge conservatives, but there are some people being nominated outside of the "in-group".

Literally, there was a point - which really peaked just after the Puppies and is still happening, where Approved Persons were being handed Hugos on a platter. NK Jemisin is often cited but at least she WROTE those books. I would use as Exhibit A : SFWA darling Amal El-Motar (lots of opinions, not a lot of notable writing, Middle Eastern during the Trump Era so with extra minority *tang*) being paired with Max Gladstone (a proven writer) to "write" the virtue-signaling novella of the year in 2019. That Free Hugo was so crass in its execution - not even a novel, absolutely nothing of note since.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

oh shit, a man wrote a book. gotta burn it. ffs I have always love goosebumps as a kid and, a few months ago, I've seen a video of a guy saying he was a "big" fan of the series but got upset about one of the "say cheese and die" books because the kid turned into a blob. he said it was body shaming. I don't get why people deep dive into kid books and get into a shit fit over it
edit: wrong book

That reviewer is a known troublemaker. She was the one who led the pitchfork brigade against the Chinese author who wrote about slavery that was not of the Atlantic Slave Trade variety.... because she was writing about a completely different culture.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

I've debated it for a while, as well as maybe a general LOLcow thread for the usual SFWA bootlickers, asshats and looneys.

So would there be some interest in one or both?

Absolutely, I need to know who the fuck to stay away from and the cliques involved.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

This might be me at my most autistic, but I was amused to see that of the 48 most recently purchased fantasy audiobooks by the Boston Public Library only nine or so are authored by men. So, less than 20%. And of those "Fantasy" novels one was by Franz Kafka, hardly anyone I'd consider in the genre. (To say nothing of The Princess Bride by...Rob Reiner.) Might be an an unfair sample given the over-representation of a bean flick author like Ruby Dixon, dunno. But I'll bet if the percentages were reversed I could REEEEE about it on Twitter and maybe make $35 writing a piece of suitable outrage on Buzzfeed.

Also, fucked if I see anything truly new here I want to listen to in these offerings (e.g. not the Princess Bride or Metamorphosis) , maybe that Mordew, seems vaguely Gormenghast-ish.

 

[valis]

I've debated it for a while, as well as maybe a general LOLcow thread for the usual SFWA bootlickers, asshats and looneys.

So would there be some interest in one or both?

Both, definitely. Perhaps the writing publishing subreddits too in the lolcow thread?

 

[Boston Brand]

You should start a thread about it. I don't read much fiction. I'd love to read more. It's hard to find the good stuff.

I don't know who I dislike more, the douchebag edgelord or the article author for touting how "diverse" the author list is and then writing it's "comprised mainly of women authors" a few lines later. No one should be surprised, the population of Goodreads is mainly teen girls and 30-something femcels, so of course they'll nominate mostly female authors... but I still laughed. Not as much as I laughed at the linked article about how merit and colorblindness are code words for white supremacy, though.

We should just start a dedicated spec fic(scifi fantasy) thread.

Both. I think they would sustain themselves with good OPs that don't restrict discussion too narrowly.

I couldn't contribute anything but I'd be interested in reading a "Lolcows Of SF" thread. They do, after all, still sit upstream of culture somehow.

Yes, the state of traditional publishing ecosystem and the clown show that it attracts. It would cast a wide net.

Anything with $money$ involved seems to invoke a particular madness among authors and readers - at least with self publishing, unless there is a particular book that is seen as gregariously offensive (Look up "Save The Pearls" by Victoria Foyt for a drama which crossed the boundaries in to the Current Conversation about 10 years ago) it tends to get ignored now - nobody gives a fuck if a "Turner Diaries Meets Mein Kampf" gets published on Amazon - it's sort of expected for weirdly extreme books to land there.

I've been listening to a few Larry Corriea podcasts on YouTube, and honestly back in the 90's and earlier with his live-and-let-live opinions he'd have been seen as having lefty views. People always talk about the Overton window shifting, and it's literally shifted in both directions. In any other universe he would be a moderate centrist.

Some Hugo Sperging:

The Puppies was hijacked by VD, no question. Brad Torgersen raised some important issues on cliques with the Sad Puppies but as soon as the Rabid Puppies got involved the message was lost.

There is some Puppy-diversity -- the way it was mooted to be -- sneaking in. In 2022 there is a slight lean to Hugo nominees being less "my good friend Jim who came to every US convention" and I'll vote for him if he votes for me" and tiny cracks of "this book I read and liked regardless of whether I knew the person". Obviously the authors aren't some huge conservatives, but there are some people being nominated outside of the "in-group".

Literally, there was a point - which really peaked just after the Puppies and is still happening, where Approved Persons were being handed Hugos on a platter. NK Jemisin is often cited but at least she WROTE those books. I would use as Exhibit A : SFWA darling Amal El-Motar (lots of opinions, not a lot of notable writing, Middle Eastern during the Trump Era so with extra minority *tang*) being paired with Max Gladstone (a proven writer) to "write" the virtue-signaling novella of the year in 2019. That Free Hugo was so crass in its execution - not even a novel, absolutely nothing of note since.

That reviewer is a known troublemaker. She was the one who led the pitchfork brigade against the Chinese author who wrote about slavery that was not of the Atlantic Slave Trade variety.... because she was writing about a completely different culture.

Absolutely, I need to know who the fuck to stay away from and the cliques involved.

Both, definitely. Perhaps the writing publishing subreddits too in the lolcow thread?

I'll create a "Good Spec Fiction Thread/Quality Right Wing Authors" thread in this subforum later this week... Art and Literature is an obvious fit.

For a Lolcows and Dangerhairs of SFWA/Lefty spec fiction thread, where should that go? Lolcows, Community Watch, Prospering Grounds? I'll get cracking once I know where to put it.

 

[LurkNoMore]

For a Lolcows and Dangerhairs of SFWA/Lefty spec fiction thread, where should that go? Lolcows, Community Watch, Prospering Grounds? I'll get cracking once I know where to put it.

Community watch.

 

[Hirbowedge]

I'll create a "Good Spec Fiction Thread/Quality Right Wing Authors" thread in this subforum later this week... Art and Literature is an obvious fit.

For a Lolcows and Dangerhairs of SFWA/Lefty spec fiction thread, where should that go? Lolcows, Community Watch, Prospering Grounds? I'll get cracking once I know where to put it.

Link it here when you do please!

 

[Furina]

I'll create a "Good Spec Fiction Thread/Quality Right Wing Authors" thread in this subforum later this week... Art and Literature is an obvious fit.

For a Lolcows and Dangerhairs of SFWA/Lefty spec fiction thread, where should that go? Lolcows, Community Watch, Prospering Grounds? I'll get cracking once I know where to put it.

I think it might be a good idea to define what a "right-wing" author actually is. My first thought is Starship Troopers Robert Heinlein, but not Stranger From A Strange Land Robert Heinlein. Is Tolkien considered right-wing because he seemed to be pro-tradition and depicted monarchy favourably? I think it's important to have some definitions in your OP so any conversation going forward can at least be on an even field.

Lolcows and Dangerhairs of SFWA/Lefty spec fiction thread should definitely go into Community Watch. Looking forward to it!

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

So you're saying they won't read a book with a female protagonist?

Yes, seriously tell me one book with actual good female protagonist?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Yes, seriously tell me one book with actual good female protagonist?

A Wrinkle in Time. Legit.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Excuse any formatting and non-archiving as I am on my phone, but the fuckers can’t leave it alone for five goddamn seconds:

https://twitter.com/bookishalerts/status/1516991222719696897?s=12

Someone has a book with TWENTY ONE FUCKING TRIGGER WARNINGS but LEFT A COUPLE OUT and so they must be SHAMED AND CANCELED

I swear to god, my next book is going to have “Trigger Warning: EVERYTHING - and if you’re dumb enough to read it you’re a Dumb Motherfucker” in BIG BILL HELL’S CARS font

 

[Kiwisee]

Excuse any formatting and non-archiving as I am on my phone, but the fuckers can’t leave it alone for five goddamn seconds:

https://twitter.com/bookishalerts/status/1516991222719696897?s=12

Someone has a book with TWENTY ONE FUCKING TRIGGER WARNINGS but LEFT A COUPLE OUT and so they must be SHAMED AND CANCELED

I swear to god, my next book is going to have “Trigger Warning: EVERYTHING - and if you’re dumb enough to read it you’re a Dumb Motherfucker” in BIG BILL HELL’S CARS font

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My god, imagine being such a mentally unstable histrionic that a simple “reader discretion is advised” isn’t good enough for you.

 

[Wampak]

Excuse any formatting and non-archiving as I am on my phone, but the fuckers can’t leave it alone for five goddamn seconds:

https://twitter.com/bookishalerts/status/1516991222719696897?s=12

Someone has a book with TWENTY ONE FUCKING TRIGGER WARNINGS but LEFT A COUPLE OUT and so they must be SHAMED AND CANCELED

I swear to god, my next book is going to have “Trigger Warning: EVERYTHING - and if you’re dumb enough to read it you’re a Dumb Motherfucker” in BIG BILL HELL’S CARS font

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>readers effected by this
when the twitter account about books doesn't know basic English