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Ah the one with the book that has the norman Rockwell painting on the cover. Apparently it was supposed to be an HBO series but unfortunately nothing happened
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Ah the one with the book that has the norman Rockwell painting on the cover. Apparently it was supposed to be an HBO series but unfortunately nothing happened
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I do think that too much feedback can be rough. If you've got 5 people saying one thing and another 5 saying something else, it's hard to know who to listen to. That being said, if you're going to be a writer you need to learn to kill your darlings and be willing to change things if necessary. If someone says 'I don't like this part because *blank*', you should really be willing to look at that part and see what they mean and change it if needed.
Honestly, if there is a book that has something genuinely problematic (like 'I Wish You All the Best' saying to exterminate cishets for example), I would tag the author because they should know it's not okay to say whatever it was. Otherwise, no. It just screams 'Notice me! Notice me!' when nobody cares. However, it sounds like these people want to set up an echochamber. They're probably fine being tagged in good reviews. It's just when someone dares to have a different opinion that they've got an issue.
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That's my point, if you're only upset about being tagged in the negative reviews, then your ego is too fragile.
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Yeah, for sure. When did society reach a point that it's shocking to receive criticism when you're trying to put yourself in the public light? When did we get to a point that echochambers are encouraged lest we hurt someone's feelings?
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I mean, it should be common knowledge that once you do become a published author that not everyone is going to enjoy your works.
That’s fine, people are entitled to their preferences just as authors are entitled to write what they want
That’s fine, people are entitled to their preferences just as authors are entitled to write what they want
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I fucking blame fan fiction for this in the writing circles. It goes as far back as Star Trek fanzines where everyone was a fan and they ate that shit up because it's a clique. That spread to the Internet when it was made publicly available and everyone could anonymously send each other their smut and you're not allowed to kinkshame/critique them because that's flaming. And those fan fic writers "grew up" but never forgot how it felt to get their first "flame" from some faceless nobody on the Internet.
Even nowadays when you have your picture as your avatar, you're still faceless to these people. But instead of just putting every word you say under their hat and move on as you should, they want to ensure you remain faceless and jobless just for the crime of posting "wrongthink" critique.
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It also makes me think of Requires Hate, who while being (or claiming to be) a gay female PoC somehow managed to reserve most of her hatred for... other women of colour and queer writers. It's very crab bucket - after all, how dare some other queer/female/PoC/disabled/troon writer get published instead of me?
They're much more eager to take out their competition for minority status than they are to go after their boogeyman of straight white men; though they do pile on those men, they seem to reserve the most vitriol and targeted harassment for minority writers who, I'm presuming, they think are taking up a slot on a roster that should, by rights, go to them.
Yeah, that's where we hit the snag, though. There's authors being too sensitive to criticism (see that Hale woman who went and stalked a GoodReads reviewer who left her a bad review), and then there's criticism which most of these assholes produce which is along the lines of 'This book is morally bad and you are a bad person for writing it and neither it, nor you, should exist.' Quality of the book is unimportant, it's not about errors or bad prose or poor plotting - it's about casting a moral judgement over the book itself and always finding it wanting, and therefore it shouldn't exist.
It's SJW fundamentalism. If this offends me, it's not on me to just ignore it - it can't be allowed to even exist. That something they don't like is in the same dimension as themselves is an affront, and the idea that people might be able to enjoy something they don't is basically evil and must be wiped out.
As always, it's a balancing act with shades of grey about where and when criticism has its uses. But there's a group of people who have decided they are morally arbiters of right and wrong and they are trying to force everyone else to live by their rules. Fortunately - incrementally, and hard to do when these people are in positions of authority, but still - people are starting to realise that the only way to deal with these assholes is to ignore them. They only have as much power over you as you give them, and the sooner more companies learn the lesson of 'get woke go broke' the better.
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Sadly, 'get woke go broke' doesn't always work out. To offer an example I saw personally, there was an uproar in the crafting community recently when Ravelry (the biggest crafting site online) decided, in an effort to be 'inclusive of all', that banning any support for Trump (and only Trump) on their platform was the best option. I was talking to someone about it and they said 'well, boycott. Either they'll back down or they'll go under', but I'm not sure it's that simple. Enough people are fine with being 'woke' and there are enough SJWs out there to keep these idiots afloat. I'm not sure that it works like that every time. I do believe in karma and I do think those calling for cancel culture will get what's coming to them eventually, but it may not be now. Because life's not fair, and sometimes things don't work out how they should. At least, not right away. What goes up must come down, and watching the collapse of SJW culture will probably be glorious when it happens, but I'm not sure that the 'get woke go broke' mindset will be what does it.
However, I do think enabling these morons is the last thing we want to do, and ignoring it will make it go away. How many of us heard some version 'just ignore the bully when he's trying to pick on you. If you don't give him a reaction he doesn't get what he wants' in grade school? It's the same thing here. Don't give them a reaction, they'll go away because they're bored.
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This the age of the fandom.
Politics have been turned into fandom vs fandom style slap fights, big Hollywood movies have been turned into Mary Sue starring fanfiction and people's fandoms sometimes literally take the place in their lives that would traditionally have been filled by Religion.
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The faggot doesn't take to kindly to your thoughts of it.
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The faggot doesn't take to kindly to your thoughts of it.
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Love how he's trying to flex on us, as if we care whether he has book deals and shit.
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You're using your name publicly on Twatter, no need to get salty when other people mention you by name. The context we had were the idiotic tweets you made being discussed on that page of the thread.The faggot doesn't take to kindly to your thoughts of it.
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The faggot doesn't take to kindly to your thoughts of it.
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Love the passive-aggressive approach there, sweetie, I'm flattered.
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She has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qsThe faggot doesn't take to kindly to your thoughts of it.
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Notice how she's talking about comments which are on the same page and were posted on the same date (June 3rd) in both Twitter threads. She thus went back to the same page twice and tweeted about it again over a month later because what was said on there angered her so much the first time
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She has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qs
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Jay Hulme said:
You're the one who dropped the dirt and made them public. We just pick them up.
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>who've been scrolling through every tweet I've sent looking for dirtShe has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qs
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Nigger isn't even that special
looks like she badly wants the transphobic Kiwifarms to talk about her some more.
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Did that many people really go from KF to their website?She has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qs
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I think the real comedy here is that it means nobody goes to their site if a link from here has more traffic than a poetry society.
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Is he trying to get a thread on him so he can be relevant? Can’t say that’s the best marketing strategy.She has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qs
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Maybe you're being made fun of because you post stupid shit, not because you're trans.She has tweeted about us before https://archive.fo/Kd5qs
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Well obviously. But he won't admit that. He's one of those people who uses his identity to act like he's oppressed. See also: black people who cry racism when told they're wrong and women crying sexism for it.