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WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game
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I'll commence autistically screaming brexit until it happens.
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These "people", by and large, are too addicted to care. It's like threatening to dox the methhead giving blowjobs behind the 7-11.
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I forgot about posting this since we've accumulated so much evidence that DSP is Rafters to the point where it's nearly impossible that it's not the case. All sorts of proof, for anyone who has kept up with the thread, it's almost embarrasing for him.
This information was meant to be used to potentially get a direct confirmation from Scopely itself, but it's not needed anymore, and realistically I don't think it would be possible or would be very difficult.
It does invite for gay ops though, but at this point should be fine.
You can also use it to prank some Champions users, or at least increase their heart rate for a moment if you play your cards right.
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So Champions accounts have a unique number (called User ID) assigned to their profile, it must be unique to each account and should only be accessible to the user. Don't confuse it with ScopelyID, that's just a way to link your profile to an email for the purpose of recovery and other benefits.
If you want to know yours, you just go to settings. The layout changed some months ago, but right now it should look somewhat like this (not 100% like it, this is a fake recreated profile made by Scopely as an example):
The purpose that users can give that User ID is not entirely certain, but it definitely can be used to give customer support another way of verifying that it's indeed you who they're talking with. Normally they ask for number of coins and cash (the only real obstacle), and top 3-5 wrestlers you have, level, faction and maybe last purchase, but these last things are easy to get. It also depends on what you're trying to do I think.
The things is, in regards to the User ID it seems like most if not all Champions users seem to believe that this number is 100% private, I've watched videos where the person insists on not revealing it to anyone.
I don't know if Scopely is doing this intentionally or not, but they're leaking them through their website:
If you have an account it should be easy to verify for you, if not take this random person as an example (the only one I've seen sharing it publicly):
https://twitter.com/sibespatnaik/status/878397960836587520
Now go to their Champions profile and inspect element their PFP, the digits before the extension should correspond with the User ID.
https://wwechampions.com/player/Sibes-Patnaik
You see that it should be the same under normal circumstances. I don't know if it would be reassigned to Rafters after changing his name a couple of times, against Scopely's apparent rules of not changing names.
And so DownFromTheRafters User ID should be: ed6f45094d1f4c95ac4827a91dad764b
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It should be clear how the info could be used to maybe get a confirmation with a lot of luck and special circumstances, however I believe customer support (specially when contacting them through email, not ingame) has ScopelyID emails and FB's encrypted so they shouldn't be able to outright tell you.
It's possible they could indirectly, but I'm not willing to test a myriad of ways to get a verification from them on something we already essentially know.
The gay ops that can come out of this are minimal, since at least account migration must be done through ingame, you will not be able to even try through email.
* You can take this post as a mere curiosity.
This information was meant to be used to potentially get a direct confirmation from Scopely itself, but it's not needed anymore, and realistically I don't think it would be possible or would be very difficult.
It does invite for gay ops though, but at this point should be fine.
You can also use it to prank some Champions users, or at least increase their heart rate for a moment if you play your cards right.
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So Champions accounts have a unique number (called User ID) assigned to their profile, it must be unique to each account and should only be accessible to the user. Don't confuse it with ScopelyID, that's just a way to link your profile to an email for the purpose of recovery and other benefits.
If you want to know yours, you just go to settings. The layout changed some months ago, but right now it should look somewhat like this (not 100% like it, this is a fake recreated profile made by Scopely as an example):
The purpose that users can give that User ID is not entirely certain, but it definitely can be used to give customer support another way of verifying that it's indeed you who they're talking with. Normally they ask for number of coins and cash (the only real obstacle), and top 3-5 wrestlers you have, level, faction and maybe last purchase, but these last things are easy to get. It also depends on what you're trying to do I think.
The things is, in regards to the User ID it seems like most if not all Champions users seem to believe that this number is 100% private, I've watched videos where the person insists on not revealing it to anyone.
I don't know if Scopely is doing this intentionally or not, but they're leaking them through their website:
If you have an account it should be easy to verify for you, if not take this random person as an example (the only one I've seen sharing it publicly):
https://twitter.com/sibespatnaik/status/878397960836587520
Now go to their Champions profile and inspect element their PFP, the digits before the extension should correspond with the User ID.
https://wwechampions.com/player/Sibes-Patnaik
You see that it should be the same under normal circumstances. I don't know if it would be reassigned to Rafters after changing his name a couple of times, against Scopely's apparent rules of not changing names.
And so DownFromTheRafters User ID should be: ed6f45094d1f4c95ac4827a91dad764b
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It should be clear how the info could be used to maybe get a confirmation with a lot of luck and special circumstances, however I believe customer support (specially when contacting them through email, not ingame) has ScopelyID emails and FB's encrypted so they shouldn't be able to outright tell you.
It's possible they could indirectly, but I'm not willing to test a myriad of ways to get a verification from them on something we already essentially know.
The gay ops that can come out of this are minimal, since at least account migration must be done through ingame, you will not be able to even try through email.
* You can take this post as a mere curiosity.
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The X-factor here is that Phil, being a giga-whale, probably has a whale groomer assigned to him by Scopely, and anything involving his account has to go through them as an extra level of scrutiny. Champions is likely the one and only place where he still has a "behind the scenes guy" just like he always wants.
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I doubt Phil gets that level of special treatment. There's far bigger paypigs than him, and he's never been in one of the tippy top factions. He probably got the name changes just because that was such a unique, fucked up situation that Scopely just wanted to go away while keeping the open wallet happy.
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They usually have levels of whale-grooming.
Does Phil have a guy he can call 24-7 who goes “yes Mr. Burnell! Right away Mr. Burnell!” and would suck his dick over the phone if it was possible? Probably not.
But he definetely has access to some special whale tier of “support”; Special phonenumber/email/chat support that gets back to you pretty quickly.
You are not wrong. But... The moment it interferes with their whaling, they WILL care. There’s a reason Phil was chased from faction to faction and was untouchable there for the longest time.
Like the last thing you want as your average Scopely whale who’s ashamed of how much you spend, are people constantly emailing/tweeting etc.
The threshold of “Fuck it, let’s just get rid of the guy” isn’t high.
Also: Doxxing. They might not care about being outed. But most of them have family members that would be horrified and some have wife who would be PISSED!
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Especially if this was the first they knew about their retard addict spouse blowing tens of thousands on some shitty nude dude jpg collection.
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He was able to change his name from DSP to TheGunShow to DownFromTheRafters, which we already know is impossible to do in game. So he definitely was in touch with customer service behind the scenes. It's a shame, had he demanded an apology from Scopely on twitter, he could have had another super viral tweet.
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Aummmm..... WRONG! It was TheGunShow84...............DEBUNKED!
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Cross posting for posterity/in case Dear Leader nukes the other thread. For those who do not know a troll was able to spoof Phil's information and get itemized transactions from his Bank of America account going back to at least May of 2021; this post here is a summary of his spending. Based on charges for $15 and $100 pulls Phil spent $8225.62 over four months, equivalent to $2,050 and change every month or just under $500 a week. This is his single largest expense at twenty-one percent of his income.
Now a few caveats just so people know exactly how things stand:
* First, the charge just said "payment to Paypal" so we cannot say definitively that this was WWE Champions and not some other gacha game or even something unrelated; the closest we have to a smoking gun is that the overwhelming majority were the exact cost, with tax, of a $15 or $100 pull from Champions.
* Second, Phil also spent $1,000 a month on groceries on top of $2,300 in eating out and $1,000 in alcohol. We have no way of proving it but it is entirely possible that some of that $1,000 was iTunes gift cards to help cover his tracks - even his BS bankruptcy filing only claimed $600/month for food.
*Third, this does not include payments made directly from his Paypal account to iTunes or Scopely.
Put these all together and there are some huge error bars but I think $2,000 a month is a pretty solid estimate overall. If we assume it's been like this since he stopped paying his cards in anticipation of bankruptcy he has probably paid about $50,000 over the past two years. I believe the $100,000 estimate of his total spending is high because he was paying hundreds or thousands a month in credit card bills until late 2019 but he is certainly on track to hit that by ~2023 at this rate.
Edit because I am stupid: Unless Phil has a secret benefactor then the overwhelming majority of his money passes through his BoA account at some point: His total cash burn rate over four months was just under $40,000; this is consistent with his roughly $120k/year income. Based on all the "payment to Paypal" transactions my guess is that he set up auto-transactions so that any Paypal transaction automatically triggers a transfer from the BoA account to cover the difference. This is weird because his tips all go to Paypal but I'm not about to pretend I understand Phil's financial logic.
Now a few caveats just so people know exactly how things stand:
* First, the charge just said "payment to Paypal" so we cannot say definitively that this was WWE Champions and not some other gacha game or even something unrelated; the closest we have to a smoking gun is that the overwhelming majority were the exact cost, with tax, of a $15 or $100 pull from Champions.
* Second, Phil also spent $1,000 a month on groceries on top of $2,300 in eating out and $1,000 in alcohol. We have no way of proving it but it is entirely possible that some of that $1,000 was iTunes gift cards to help cover his tracks - even his BS bankruptcy filing only claimed $600/month for food.
*Third, this does not include payments made directly from his Paypal account to iTunes or Scopely.
Put these all together and there are some huge error bars but I think $2,000 a month is a pretty solid estimate overall. If we assume it's been like this since he stopped paying his cards in anticipation of bankruptcy he has probably paid about $50,000 over the past two years. I believe the $100,000 estimate of his total spending is high because he was paying hundreds or thousands a month in credit card bills until late 2019 but he is certainly on track to hit that by ~2023 at this rate.
Edit because I am stupid: Unless Phil has a secret benefactor then the overwhelming majority of his money passes through his BoA account at some point: His total cash burn rate over four months was just under $40,000; this is consistent with his roughly $120k/year income. Based on all the "payment to Paypal" transactions my guess is that he set up auto-transactions so that any Paypal transaction automatically triggers a transfer from the BoA account to cover the difference. This is weird because his tips all go to Paypal but I'm not about to pretend I understand Phil's financial logic.
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Phil 100% spent $39K between March 2018 and Jan 2020. The new VIP cap was released around March 2018 and he reached the new level cap at the end of Jan 2020. The only way to raise your VIP level is by spending money and it cost $39K to reach the new VIP level cap.
The lowball amount is he's spent $80K, and that's just since March 2018, the game has been out for longer than that.
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Could he realistically sell his account and recoup some losses? Or like most games is that looked down upon/could result in being banned ?
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Nah, the account would be banned as soon as Scopely detected it.
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OK, let's do some really quick math then.
Phil stopped paying his cards in October 2019 in anticipation of bankruptcy. This isn't some big-brain move, it is standard practice in any bankruptcy to stop all use and payments on the cards to create a "snapshot" of the debtor's financial situation. We discovered the account in mid January so that's 3 and a third months spent between 10/1/19 and 1/10/20. Assuming $2k/month that is $6,667 over that period. Subtracting that from the $39,000 total means he was spending just under $1,800 a month from March 2018 to January 2020 (just over $32,000 total so $80,000 from March 2018-present) despite paying thousands a month in credit card bills.
This means even if his grocery bills in the other thread are a cover for iTunes gift cards, WWE champions was not the big change after the bankruptcy - he stopped paying thousands a month in credit card debt but only increased his champions spending from ~$1,800 to $2,500 (the $2,000 in Paypal charges + one-half his grocery bill). In other words, this game was so important to him that cut back on it the least out of all his big expenses including meals out and PPV. This is a horrifying level of addiction.
See what I just wrote, even if Scopely were willing to look the other way it is clear that this game is his pride and joy. Even a prolonged server outage would probably be unbearable.
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There is a black market in accounts like this.
And how exactly would Skopely detect it? The owner could just say he got a new phone.
In reality, policy for black market trading in accounts/individual cards depends from company to company.
Some companies fight it tooth and nail because they think it means money out of their pocket.
Many turn a blind eye or don’t put any hurdles in the way, knowing that it adds “value” to the account and might increase spending.
(Suddenly pulling sweaty JPEGs isn’t just a shameful vice but an investment that you can always sell and profit off at a later point.)
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The reality is that Phil wouldn't even be smart enough to consider this proposition, has he ever actually talked about saving money, investing and making a clear profit during his "business' turnover?
Nope, not enough to know what he's talking about or like he's had a learning experience before anyway. If he has he just regurgitates crap that he sees off the trending tab on twitter and spouts out that type of nonsense, partially paraphrased.
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Oh yeah, totally agree. Just talking about
games/accounts in general. (Specifically card collecting apps)
It’s not even that Phil is smart enough to know better than to consider his WWE “an investment”.
He sees it, like the wahkando, as an achievement to be proud of that boosts that Narc ego.
And as an escape hatch from his shitty life.
Phil wouldn’t sell it for 50.000$ if someone offered.
Clearly he is a gambling addict, but what I don't understand is why get the dopamine hit on a game that has no actual winnings? I've known someone addicted to online poker, it's easier to rationalize being that the guy did occasionally win money. It seems really bizarre to be SO addicted to a game that has absolutely zero payout