WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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And it’s not only the dumb decision to spend that much on a gacha game, it’s that he has to lie about it. Anything else you’d have either something to point at or some fuckin’ awesome memories to recount as to where the $40k went. Phil has nothing at all other than some wrasslin’ JPEGs stored on a server somewhere, and he can’t even acknowledge their existence. I mean the pitiful fucker committed bankruptcy fraud because of it. for crying out loud.
 
Covfefe said:
I feel like this thread focuses too much on justifying hobbies based on financial returns.
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I'm mixed on this.

First off, just because I laugh at someone or I find their behavior funny doesn't mean I think they are bad. If you meet your obligations you can blow your fun money on porn art of your My Little Pony OC as far as I'm concerned. That's funny.

Where it turns funny and bad is when you fail to meet your obligations by declaring bankruptcy, and you piss your money away. The fact that Phil's content is terrible and he's spending it on something as stupid as mobile games is merely hilarious; declaring bankruptcy makes him abhorrent.
 
To be honest, it's not that he spends money on a gacha mobile game that's the issue for me. It's the fact that he's constantly lying about it, denying it, and committing bankruptcy and tax fraud by claiming it as a business expense that's the problem.
 
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How is it dumb to say it's obviously a bad "investment?" It obviously is that. It may be a "hobby" whatever that means, although most "hobbies" do not completely destroy your life like a crack addiction, force you to commit bankruptcy fraud, and then you continue gambling for five star jpgs with stolen money.

That's such terrible behavior, bad for everyone around you, you yourself, and the world, that I feel fairly confident in just saying it's objectively bad.
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Honestly, most guys I know manage to mostly break even in their hobbies, whether it's firearms, motorcycles, (NOT BOATS), airplanes, etc. My buddy make some $47,000 on a plane he bought for peanuts, just let it out to rent for cheap and kept it spinnin'. If you have hard product, you can usually use it somehow. He can't rent out his account at all, it doesn't appreciate in value, and as soon as they shut down the servers he loses it all.

It's correct to say it's not a bad investment, but that's because it's NOT AN INVESTMENT AT ALL! Unless selling his account on ebay would suddenly go for $20k at the least, he can't even say he took a financial loss in terms of enjoyment.

I know guys that buy a project car to drive for two years and whatever the diff. is after the sale is thought of as a rental fee.
 
DarkScrubPhil said:
To be honest, it's not that he spends money on a gacha mobile game that's the issue for me. It's the fact that he's constantly lying about it, denying it, and committing bankruptcy and tax fraud by claiming it as a business expense that's the problem.
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thats always been everyones problem with phil. hes two faced and can dish the heat but cant take it. constantly rips on game devs even though the game is literally telling him what to do on a silver spoon, constantly ripping on fans that just tried to help and calling them retards, constantly lying about everything he does. hes just scum
 
I wonder if things will change now that he got a taste of losing his Twitch account....oh right this is Phil he's going to keep doing stupid shit, sorry carry on.
 
Covfefe said:
Look, I am not saying that I personally think pixelated beefcake inside of a predatory Bejeweled game is a good use of money. I am saying that a lot of people have hobbies that are money sinks and as long as the person is happy and stable it's dumb to judge them solely on whether or not their hobby is a good investment. It's not like they are spending your money.

Unless it's Phil and you live in the US, in which case he is spending your money by siphoning tardbux and getting bailouts from Uncle Sam...
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The fact he earns the money for the game by claiming he needs it for his back taxes, or so he doesn't lose his house, or whatever the story of the day is, and INSTEAD spends those donations on this hobby is the issue. If he worked a job with a set salary, no daily begging required, and then pissed it away on mobile games, then whatever. But he lies and begs to get the money, then lies and begs some more, and that's what makes it pathetic.
 
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Honestly, most guys I know manage to mostly break even in their hobbies, whether it's firearms, motorcycles, (NOT BOATS), airplanes, etc. My buddy make some $47,000 on a plane he bought for peanuts, just let it out to rent for cheap and kept it spinnin'. If you have hard product, you can usually use it somehow. He can't rent out his account at all, it doesn't appreciate in value, and as soon as they shut down the servers he loses it all.

It's correct to say it's not a bad investment, but that's because it's NOT AN INVESTMENT AT ALL! Unless selling his account on ebay would suddenly go for $20k at the least, he can't even say he took a financial loss in terms of enjoyment.

I know guys that buy a project car to drive for two years and whatever the diff. is after the sale is thought of as a rental fee.
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Even if you're not going to be making a monetary return on your hobby, provided you're not spending beyond your means to a detriment, who gives a shit?
 
Leon Breitling said:
Even if you're not going to be making a monetary return on your hobby, provided you're not spending beyond your means to a detriment, who gives a shit?
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The return doesn't have to be monetary, but it does need to exist. Hobbies inherently are for enjoyment, which is a kind of return on your investment, but Phil doesn't actually enjoy playing mobile games any more than he would enjoy smoking cigarettes if those were his vice. He's simply addicted to them. What's more, is that if the game, instead of requiring little payments at a time, sent you a bill at the end of the month, so you could see how much it was costing you to collect wrestling jpegs, Phil wouldn't enjoy seeing that bill. I guarantee you that he never wanted to know how much of his money had gone to waste on that virtual crack of his. He wanted to feed his addiction, unbeknownst to anyone else on Earth, and think about nothing else. That is not smart, healthy, or remotely close to a legit hobby. I daresay even his collection of statues was probably some kind of pathological problem, due in large part to the story about the Wolverine toy.
 
I want to post this video just to show how much money DSP "isn't" spending on this game.

Now, I have no issues with the guy in this video. He seems like a reasonable enough guy; a family man, probably as close to a "normal person" you are going to see whaling at this game.

It's also important that he isn't spending as much money as usual because he's been furloughed since corona-chan. And while his Youtube channel is decent enough, it's a small channel with 16K subs and 1K-5K views per video. So he's not making his money back on video views. I do actually hope that he does declare some of these as legit business expenses unlike DSP, because as I said he seems decent enough.

This video is him (a second time no less) making 55 pulls for just on character. The cost for 11 pulls is $27. So he's spending $135 to guarantee 50 shards and hopefully get 20 more to level his character up to 1200 shards total. And most of these pulls are just a waste of money. I think; I'm not entirely sure but they look worthless to me.

He's literally spent like $300 (because it's his 2nd set of 55 pulls) to maybe hopefully power up one of his characters to max level.

 
TheGoutburglar said:
The return doesn't have to be monetary, but it does need to exist. Hobbies inherently are for enjoyment, which is a kind of return on your investment, but Phil doesn't actually enjoy playing mobile games any more than he would enjoy smoking cigarettes if those were his vice. He's simply addicted to them. What's more, is that if the game, instead of requiring little payments at a time, sent you a bill at the end of the month, so you could see how much it was costing you to collect wrestling jpegs, Phil wouldn't enjoy seeing that bill. I guarantee you that he never wanted to know how much of his money had gone to waste on that virtual crack of his. He wanted to feed his addiction, unbeknownst to anyone else on Earth, and think about nothing else. That is not smart, healthy, or remotely close to a legit hobby. I daresay even his collection of statues was probably some kind of pathological problem, due in large part to the story about the Wolverine toy.
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Yeah that wolverine figure story was pretty telling of his whole mentality with spending other peoples money.

Any sort of limited time offer type shit or a sale he will always go for it. He absolutely needs something he can lord over us peasants and if he gets something you can only get for a limited time it has near infinite flex value for him. Im pretty sure WWE Champions is entirely about flexing on fellow addicts to him.

Its like the digital equivilant of showing up at a safe injection site with a pound of crack not even to use it but just to assert dominance over all other junkies
 
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@Salubrious $300 to maybe level up a wrestler? Say what you will about some of the people who have been playing WoW non-stop for 15 years, at least they're not paying cash money, let out the nose like THAT, to possibly get to Level 85 on their orc barbarian or whatever.

And, knowing Phil as we do, can we picture him just settling when he pays up and doesn't get the level up? Hardly. So his tab is undoubtedly much worse.

@Julias_Seizure2 It's not just about the flex value, it's also, probably more so, about satiating that part of him that's still mad about the Wolverine toy. Remember, the man is a 38 year-old toddler, through and through. His brain has not cycled through nearly as many days as a normal one has since such childhood moments. A lot of people have compulsive behaviors that carry over from circumstances when they were very young, and Phil is hardly the only person who buys a lot of crap because as a kid he didn't have so much, but the rest of his awful personality makes it clear that his issues are much worse than that. Most others can learn to mitigate their need to be a bit wasteful. I doubt that that could ever have been done with the pigroach. It certainly can't be now, with a full-blown addiction having taken hold, with no one around him who gives a fuck enough to even try helping him (which he wouldn't accept anyway).

And yes, it was absolutely about feeling like a big-shot in a community that didn't know who he really was. That's the only kind that would ever accept him. I would feel bad for him if it wasn't entirely his own fault. Like with getting targeted by a possibly false DMCA claim, Phil is THE poster child for "Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy." Best cautionary tale I can think of on why you don't treat everybody like shit.
 
Salubrious said:
I want to post this video just to show how much money DSP "isn't" spending on this game.

Now, I have no issues with the guy in this video. He seems like a reasonable enough guy; a family man, probably as close to a "normal person" you are going to see whaling at this game.

It's also important that he isn't spending as much money as usual because he's been furloughed since corona-chan. And while his Youtube channel is decent enough, it's a small channel with 16K subs and 1K-5K views per video. So he's not making his money back on video views. I do actually hope that he does declare some of these as legit business expenses unlike DSP, because as I said he seems decent enough.

This video is him (a second time no less) making 55 pulls for just on character. The cost for 11 pulls is $27. So he's spending $135 to guarantee 50 shards and hopefully get 20 more to level his character up to 1200 shards total. And most of these pulls are just a waste of money. I think; I'm not entirely sure but they look worthless to me.

He's literally spent like $300 (because it's his 2nd set of 55 pulls) to maybe hopefully power up one of his characters to max level.

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This is incredible pathetic. These people need help.

I like how even his bank asked him in the video if he made the purchase. Even they know its a scam.
I also like how he keeps saying "well that was pretty horrible"... and then he spends even more money.
This is soo bad, even the video is falling apart at the end.
 
Salubrious said:
This video is him (a second time no less) making 55 pulls for just on character. The cost for 11 pulls is $27. So he's spending $135 to guarantee 50 shards and hopefully get 20 more to level his character up to 1200 shards total. And most of these pulls are just a waste of money. I think; I'm not entirely sure but they look worthless to me.
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"Normal Spender" is $27?!

There's something tricky about that pricing. Feels like they're trying to make the "Baller" pack read like it's $34.99. The tokens in the illustration increase linearly but the prices step up by an order of magnitude!
 
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"Normal Spender" is $27?!

There's something tricky about that pricing. Feels like they're trying to make the "Baller" pack read like it's $34.99. The tokens in the illustration increase linearly but the prices step up by an order of magnitude!
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Welcome to a predatory (relatively) unregulated sphere of gambling. As long as the concept of value exists, insidious ways to take that value from others will, too.
 
The_Penultimate_Warrior said:
I like how the name of the cheapest pack is basically insulting anyone would buys it.
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The whole package sounds like they outsourced their marketing to DSP directly. Insult people who don't pay big money, make it seem like a tax begging situation, and much sweaty wrasslin bois.
 
Salubrious said:
He's literally spent like $300 (because it's his 2nd set of 55 pulls) to maybe hopefully power up one of his characters to max level.
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Just a small correction, he's trying to get ‘shards’ for two specific wrestlers in those loot boxes so he can get them in the first place. You can see in the beginning of the video he needs 20 to ‘recruit’ Ted DiBiase and 115 for Nikki Bella. He spends $135 over the course of the video for a 2.65% chance at getting any of the shards he needs. The 115 for Nikki is a particularly tall order, since most of the time he's getting only 20 shards per wrestler. He ends up with 0, for either. The shards he does get for the weaker wrestlers can't even be used to power them up, because shards are just one of many currencies in this game, he would have to make an assortment of purchases to get everything he needs.
 
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