WWE Champions General - Despite his claims, DSP is still spending thousands of dollars on the WWE Champions mobile game

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She converted his case to an asset type, remember?
I do not and I cannot find it in the electronic docket: This record refers to it as a no-asset case twice and states that Nancy issued a "report of no distribution". So far as I can tell there shouldn't be a distinction between no-asset and no-distribution because the trustee's office has no ability to seize property and sell it except to distribute the proceeds to creditors (with a cut going to the office itself).
"Your honor.... They're microtransactions for my streaming career!" this is probably what he told her, and she didn't know any better.
That is exactly what happened if you listen to the call.
Which supports my "Nancy didn't care" theory - asking to see just one video of him using micropayments on-stream would have destroyed the case but she either didn't do that or didn't use that to reject his fraudulent bankruptcy. You don't need to be tech savvy to ask for proof something was used for business rather than personal use.
 
I do not and I cannot find it in the electronic docket: This record refers to it as a no-asset case twice and states that Nancy issued a "report of no distribution". So far as I can tell there shouldn't be a distinction between no-asset and no-distribution because the trustee's office has no ability to seize property and sell it except to distribute the proceeds to creditors (with a cut going to the office itself).
We definitely saw an update of some kind stating that it had been changed, I remember that well. There was discussion about it, because as we all know, Phil had nothing of value to sell, and it seemed odd for that to not be apparent already. Though it could've been something misinterpreted, admittedly. Doesn't much matter, now.

And it's a fair enough point, the ease of destroying whatever his bullshit story was, though that doesn't concretely rule out the possibility that, like I said, Nancy figured it out and decided to just get rid of the pigroach. At the end of the day, her decision does not say one way or another, only her admission of her thought process would. Converting to Chapter 13 makes sense, just based on a sense of justice, and we know that's not always how it works. A lesson I learned the hard way, through his saga. Maybe she was lazy and didn't care, maybe she saw that Chapter 13 was going to be too big of a pain. We'll never know without her explaining herself candidly.
 
She converted his case to an asset type, remember? Not long after, his Chapter 7 was approved. Seems reasonable enough to me, given that she knew about stuff during the 341 hearing that he didn't list, that she discovered the extent of what else he had, and, understandably, reasoned that he wastes his money on bullshit.

It's not like he has anything of value, after all, we talked about that at length at the time. Nancy knew his income was a lot higher than what he admits to on stream, and when she saw his PayPal records, she knew surely knew that something was fishy in his expenses claim. Like I said, Phil bitched about having to explain things further. I don't see any incentive for him to throw that out there as some bullshit for sympathy over detractors disrupting things, he's dumb, but he's usually stupidly admitting things that are true when he gets so specific during his rants. Especially when he's up to some shit and detractors are getting in the way.

Why would he be asked for more details unless Nancy found good cause to trust in whoever was clearly informing her?

You have to think about the cost of doing that, though. I don't know what it would be, but Nancy surely would, because I seriously doubt that Phil is the first deadbeat she has dealt with. And if she didn't understand how unique he was in that respect, I would assume it more likely that she would go with that option. I feel comfortable positing that she understood, to some extent, because who else has come along with over a hundred grand in annual income, and the kind of weird financial waste Phil considers normal?

You may be right, I just don't find it likely that someone who did what Nancy did throughout the whole process suddenly went "Oh, okay clearly your story makes sense" at the end when she found nothing she could sell and Phil gave her whatever bullshit story he could come up with for all those iTunes charges. I mean what the fuck could HE possibly have told her that would work on a person who knew to bump him to the end of the line at the 341 hearing before even asking a single question and then asked for six months of PayPal records, admitting that that was unusual?

I'm not pretending to know Nancy, I'm acknowledging that we all know Phil through and through, and it's of course difficult to fathom him, of all people, being able to successfully pigsplain his way out of an uncomfortable line of questioning coming from someone so armed with information on his financials. It's like believing him when he says that his mother is always wrong and stubborn about it, when we have so much evidence that's he a fucking imbecile, a liar, and a narcissist, and therefore 99% likely to be projecting.
We also have to consider what Nancy's actual role was with his case. Was she just there to clarify the numbers that he listed and hand them off to another jurisdiction to scrutinize it? Or was her job to actually investigate everything herself?
 
We also have to consider what Nancy's actual role was with his case. Was she just there to clarify the numbers that he listed and hand them off to another jurisdiction to scrutinize it? Or was her job to actually investigate everything herself?
Her role is to see if there's anything she can get from the debtor to pay off the debts they have. I wasn't overly surprised Phil got the bankruptcy, but I was very surprised he wasn't put into Chapter 13 given his 6 figure income.
 
Her role is to see if there's anything she can get from the debtor to pay off the debts they have. I wasn't overly surprised Phil got the bankruptcy, but I was very surprised he wasn't put into Chapter 13 given his 6 figure income.
I agree here. He was a textbook chapter 13 from all of the research being done at the time and coverage by that one lawyer streamer guy that likes to drink scotch or bourbon while he streams (I forget his name)

I believe in the end it was a number of things such as fudging the numbers to put him under a specific threshold (like business cost, clothing cost, etc)

I'm more surprised the IRS doesnt audit him based on his income versus what he owes them and the fact that he had a granted bankruptcy yet still needs a plan every year.
 
I agree here. He was a textbook chapter 13 from all of the research being done at the time and coverage by that one lawyer streamer guy that likes to drink scotch or bourbon while he streams (I forget his name)

I believe in the end it was a number of things such as fudging the numbers to put him under a specific threshold (like business cost, clothing cost, etc)

I'm more surprised the IRS doesnt audit him based on his income versus what he owes them and the fact that he had a granted bankruptcy yet still needs a plan every year.
Nick Rakieta
 
We definitely saw an update of some kind stating that it had been changed, I remember that well. There was discussion about it, because as we all know, Phil had nothing of value to sell, and it seemed odd for that to not be apparent already. Though it could've been something misinterpreted, admittedly. Doesn't much matter, now.
You might be thinking of the statement that "[t]he trustee of this estate reports that the meeting of creditors was concluded and the trustee is investigating the existence and location of property of the estate not subject to exemptions or security interests" (you can find it in the last entry under item 19 of the docket here). My memory of the begruptcy saga is not perfect but I could see a misguided Kiwi seeing "the trustee is looking for items to seize", which could have potentially elevated it to an asset case if she found something, and reporting it as "the trustee found items" or "she converted it to an asset case".

I also disagree with the "nothing of value to sell" claim because he had a ton of junk that could have been liquidated: The Wall of DVDs could have sold for $100 even if they sold 3 for $5 or some other really cheap arrangement, the downstairs couch was probably worth hundreds of dollars, then there's the much larger unknown of all the stuff Phil has bought since he stopped doing house tours. Even if Kat hated those tours and told him to stop he'd have still done them more discreetly like he did with his Instaspam..... unless there was something incriminating like all kinds of junk he bought while crying poor.

I believe in the end it was a number of things such as fudging the numbers to put him under a specific threshold (like business cost, clothing cost, etc)
This is correct, he claimed $5000.00/month in business expenses with a random spike in July of 2019 to $9,000.00 which just coincidentally brought him below the threshold for presumption of abuse. Anybody who spends 5 minutes on his stream realizes those numbers are made up and Kiwis suspected he fraudulently counted things like his entire mortgage, the Connecticut mortgage, or credit card interest on the filing to get them that high. Even if he had good interest rates on all those cards (ha!) that last one would have been thousands of dollars a month.

I agree here. He was a textbook chapter 13 from all of the research being done at the time and coverage by that one lawyer streamer guy that likes to drink scotch or bourbon while he streams (I forget his name)
The fraudulent business expenses were probably what saved him from Chapter 13 too: Under Chapter 13, the debtor in conjunction with his/her creditors (this is different from Chapter 7 where creditors have to proactively raise objections, in Chapter 13 they have to explicitly sign off on the repayment plan) proposes a repayment plan for the judge's approval. This plan can only touch disposable income, not basic costs of living or business expenses, which made Chapter 13 impossible for Phil to meet unless she challenged the business expenses because he claimed negative net monthly income after necessities + business expenses. It's a lie but she either bought it or didn't care enough to challenge it.

I agree here. He was a textbook chapter 13 from all of the research being done at the time and coverage by that one lawyer streamer guy that likes to drink scotch or bourbon while he streams (I forget his name)
Nick Rakieta
Rekieta has a long and mostly unsuccessful history of predicting lolsuit outcomes: He was confidently predicting Vic would win his defamation suit until the day the judge dismissed it, described Landau (Maddox's attorney in the "cuck" lolsuit) as wildly unethical only for the judge there to dismiss all sanctions motions. Even if the guy knows the law and represents his clients well he really oversells his ability to predict how judges will behave.
 
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Bankruptcy asset liquidation would mean all his shit gets sent to the auction house.

Pallet of DVDs, assorted, starting bid at $5

Couch, cum stained, starting bid at $25

Box of broken game statues, starting bid at $1

The condo(s) are his only real assets and he's still upside down on the car I think? The rest of his shit auctioned likely wouldn't even cover the auction house fees and the cube van rental to move it all.
 
I also disagree with the "nothing of value to sell" claim because he had a ton of junk that could have been liquidated: The Wall of DVDs could have sold for $100 even if they sold 3 for $5 or some other really cheap arrangement, the downstairs couch was probably worth hundreds of dollars, then there's the much larger unknown of all the stuff Phil has bought since he stopped doing house tours. Even if Kat hated those tours and told him to stop he'd have still done them more discreetly like he did with his Instaspam..... unless there was something incriminating like all kinds of junk he bought while crying poor.
Forgive me, what I meant is that he had nothing of value within the context of the situation. As in, nothing he sold off would've allowed him to cover his debts. I think even Phil would've considered that route, if it had been a viable option. He may have been willing to try scamming his way into getting his debts wiped away, but at no point was he doing anything other than sweating until it finally worked. He's not a brave person, he'll gladly take an easier avenue than this if there is one. Telling people to click on ads, uploading to recordings of his streams to a competing site immediately afterward, and treating members like he doesn't owe them anything, is all immoral, but comparatively safe in his head.

There's a reason he tells his tax guy to keep getting him a payment plan with the IRS instead of trying to fudge his numbers so he owes less to them. He just doesn't know that that isn't a good idea either. He would probably be frightened into stopping that shit if he did. Salty over it, but sufficiently scared into knocking it the fuck off.
The fraudulent business expenses were probably what saved him from Chapter 13 too: Under Chapter 13, the debtor in conjunction with his/her creditors (this is different from Chapter 7 where creditors have to proactively raise objections, in Chapter 13 they have to explicitly sign off on the repayment plan) proposes a repayment plan for the judge's approval. This plan can only touch disposable income, not basic costs of living or business expenses, which made Chapter 13 impossible for Phil to meet unless she challenged the business expenses because he claimed negative net monthly income after necessities + business expenses. It's a lie but she either bought it or didn't care enough to challenge it.
Rekieta has a long and mostly unsuccessful history of predicting lolsuit outcomes: He was confidently predicting Vic would win his defamation suit until the day the judge dismissed it, described Landau (Maddox's attorney in the "cuck" lolsuit) as wildly unethical only for the judge there to dismiss all sanctions motions. Even if the guy knows the law and represents his clients well he really oversells his ability to predict how judges will behave.
Though that goes to show that there's, potentially, more to this than how much of a textbook Chapter 13 this was. But we'll never know for certain, because Nancy wasn't about to let everyone know in plain English what her thinking was. Especially if her motivation was what I suspect it was. I mean when someone is gaming the system to get their debts wiped, and none of the debt-holders are pressing the issue, it may not be just in the least to let them skate on it, but it can still be preferable, for how obvious it is that the scammer isn't just going to give up when you convert them to Chapter 13. Nancy is human, so she could've made a mistake or been lazy like you say, but she also could've just not cared about some banks, that didn't seem to care about their own money either.

Also, it's worth noting that, apparently, Chapter 7 to Chapter 13 conversion isn't commonplace, and has to be consented to by the debtor. It's going the OTHER way, that's common, and can be forced. That, I did not previously know, and could've been quite a factor. It would seem that a lot of debtors go for Chapter 13, to get on a payment plan like Phil does with his taxes. This is important, because Phil is quite an exception, he was lying about what he could afford to do, and it seems to me that the system just doesn't have the adequate means of dealing with that. It's not used to the likes of him.

And if there's anything that proves Phil's grifting of his retards is purely out of personality, it's how much that same bullshit happens everywhere else in his life. With the same combination of incompetence and illogical result. He fell out of another universe, and this one isn't equipped to handle him.

Also, and this is less informative and more amusing, Phil's discharge is really the thing that seemingly cannot be repeated until eight years after his previous one. He can file for bankruptcy, he just won't, according to what I'm reading, get a discharge. Probably doesn't matter, though, because it would seem the one thing he can learn is to not rack up credit card debt again.
 
Not actively no...Personally I do not believe there is not a second game because the bank leaks line up reasonably well with his spending on Champions alone - ...At least to me it seems like a real stretch to argue he's hopelessly addicted to this gacha game but has a good amount of restraint on whatever other gacha he plays. I am also skeptical he would play a non-WWE gacha game when that's one of his only interests in life, there's a reason he went for Champions over some less exploitative non-WWE money sink.
I've seen it theorized, but without presentation of actual corroborating evidence to back up this speculation, that Kat plays a gacha game too, which would be the Phil-ism of "she has her own bills" when he mentions her spending, in Looney Tunes' gacha mobile game. Huge, if true! (If you're one of those who buy this theory, or advance it, please present something corroborating for this claim if you can here?)
 
I've seen it theorized, but without presentation of actual corroborating evidence to back up this speculation, that Kat plays a gacha game too, which would be the Phil-ism of "she has her own bills" when he mentions her spending, in Looney Tunes' gacha mobile game. Huge, if true! (If you're one of those who buy this theory, or advance it, please present something corroborating for this claim if you can here?)
Phil has mentioned that she plays the Animal Crossing mobile game which is known to be exploitative/p2w and tried to buy in-flight wi-fi so she could play it on their flight to Connecticut for the wedding. That's it, that's all we know, that's all the evidence we have. There's no way to disprove the "Kat is a gacha addict" theory but reaching that conclusion based on so little evidence is a huge stretch - the "bills" Phil claims she has could just as easily be debts from when she lived in Michigan, they could be makeup + clothes (because you know Phil's not paying for those), they could even be a lie Phil came up with on the spot to make his viewers shut up about his financial mess. He's managed to keep his mouth shut about Kat's finances since then so I doubt we'll ever know unless they file a joint Chapter 7 petition once he's eligible again late this decade.

Edit: Kat could also have been lying about one or both of having her own bills + playing Animal Crossing gacha. Why should we assume that a cheater and long-time couch surfer was being ahnest either?
 
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Bankruptcy asset liquidation would mean all his shit gets sent to the auction house.

Pallet of DVDs, assorted, starting bid at $5

Couch, cum stained, starting bid at $25

Box of broken game statues, starting bid at $1

The condo(s) are his only real assets and he's still upside down on the car I think? The rest of his shit auctioned likely wouldn't even cover the auction house fees and the cube van rental to move it all.
How long has he been paying on this car? I thought he had gotten it when he moved to WA, and that’s been what… 5+ years now? What the hell kind of loan is he on?
 
they could even be a lie Phil came up with on the spot to make his viewers shut up about his financial mess. He's managed to keep his mouth shut about Kat's finances since then so I doubt we'll ever know unless they file a joint Chapter 7 petition once he's eligible again late this decade.
This is always going to be the most likely scenario. Phil gets intensely angry at both the inquiries and any suggestion that Katherine have anything to do with paying bills. There's his claims about them sending time together that make them look weird if they're even true, and then there's clearly sincerely being adamant about them financially living separate lives. And even though Katherine isn't weighing in on this, given what we know about Phil, it's reasonable enough to assume that his angry outbursts are coming entirely from him, and his concern for keeping Katherine in the dark about what kind of money he actually has available. It's not just an act, Phil really means to be the one paying all the bills he already would be if he didn't bother with the married man charade, and not out of a sense of pride.

We know this because Katherine may not require much, but she did go from being publicly associated with Phil to looking like she's not even there anymore. Imagine what would happen if she found out that they could've had a nice honeymoon if it weren't for him being such a liar. It's not like liars are forgiving towards each other, in fact you'll find no more judgmental person than someone like Katherine. It's similar to the self-outlook effect, where people like her and Phil are most appraising of themselves and extremely disgusted by their own flaws in others, while decent folks are usually harsher towards their own faults, and more accepting of others'. It's the one way in which they're a match, which also ironically prevents them from having a relationship.

And keep in mind, Phil has already whaled out and had to pay the mortgage late. You think Katherine knows that that kind of problem exists in their household? She's used to monkey-branching, surely she would consider that a sign to be ready to leap to another tree, if she knew what the real reason was for their financial situation.
 
Phil has mentioned that she plays the Animal Crossing mobile game which is known to be exploitative/p2w and tried to buy in-flight wi-fi so she could play it on their flight to Connecticut for the wedding. That's it, that's all we know, that's all the evidence we have. There's no way to disprove the "Kat is a gacha addict" theory but reaching that conclusion based on so little evidence is a huge stretch - the "bills" Phil claims she has could just as easily be debts from when she lived in Michigan, they could be makeup + clothes (because you know Phil's not paying for those), they could even be a lie Phil came up with on the spot to make his viewers shut up about his financial mess. He's managed to keep his mouth shut about Kat's finances since then so I doubt we'll ever know unless they file a joint Chapter 7 petition once he's eligible again late this decade.

Edit: Kat could also have been lying about one or both of having her own bills + playing Animal Crossing gacha. Why should we assume that a cheater and long-time couch surfer was being ahnest either?
I think Phil was the one lying. Phil said the debt thing to explain why Khet couldn't contribute to his income. And he was only saying that because his paypigs were questioning if his financial situation would improve with a second person there who has a job. Of course, Phil can't have his paypigs thinking he isn't on the verge of eviction and getting his utilities turned off, but he also has to maintain the illusion that he has a supportive wife and can't imply she wouldn't help him financially.

It's certainly possible Khet might have some kind of debt, but she doesn't seem like a wild spender based on, admittedly, the little we know. Pretty sure she didn't have a car or go to college, so those two common sources of debt are off the table. She seems pretty happy playing old games, and in the few pictures we've seen of the office, it looked fairly low tech. Credit card debt could be a thing, and as we've seen with Phil, you can definitely whale on gacha and not have anything to show for it. Still, it seems like a stretch, and while I don't doubt Phil pays for everything in the household, I don't think he'd also pay for her to whale on her game simply because it'd cut into his own whaling.

I think the wi-fi thing was also Phil using Khet as a shield. Given his addiction, I don't think it's a stretch to say he was the one that couldn't go without his mobile gaming for a few hours.
 
I think the wi-fi thing was also Phil using Khet as a shield. Given his addiction, I don't think it's a stretch to say he was the one that couldn't go without his mobile gaming for a few hours.
Especially if I've been right about him and his "So my wife just stood there staring blankly" stories, because I'm pretty sure the truth is that he fucked up and then decided to insert Katherine into the scene when she wasn't even there. Not hard to believe, Phil is the guy who lost his first girlfriend by - among other things - telling the hospital story, because venting about his irritation was more important than her privacy. And then after they broke up he decided to lie and imply that she wasn't putting out, despite knowing full well that he was - for debatable reasons - failing to fuck her.

No one is safe from Phil's need to toss his fuck-ups away from himself and onto someone else, in fact it seems to me the closer you get to him, the more danger you're in. He blames us for some shit, but it's nothing compared to being his deceased aunt, who cost him rent and gave him gout, or his parents, who had the audacity to not teach him all kinds of things that are easy to figure out, or the two guys he called friends, who got betrayed by him and are still expected to this day to go along with his apology fetish. I would much rather be one of the jackasses who laughed at TIHYDP and supposedly cost him his rep than be someone who gave him what he wanted and receives mistreatment anyway.
 
How long has he been paying on this car? I thought he had gotten it when he moved to WA, and that’s been what… 5+ years now? What the hell kind of loan is he on?
Wait never mind, he leases!
He has been paying it off since 2017 July and the last payment is due in 2023 June according to the attached lease (which I found on the bankruptcy docket here) Phil probably had no idea how of his info would become public record when he filed and that has been to our immeasurable benefit. My reading of the agreement is that it is lease-to-own so it will be his when it's finally paid off but I am not an attorney or even a committed lawsperg so.... grain of salt.

All told he will pay $378.20 / month * 72 months = $27,230.40 on a car which was worth $19,852.00 (but had an overall cost of $22,671.76 including fees and taxes but taking credit for a manufacturer's rebate) when he purchased it. Before you say "that's a lot of interest" or "that's a long repayment period" remember we're talking about DSP here. He may really be too dumb to understand why low down payment/long repayment period is an overall worse deal and he definitely does not have the foresight necessary to save up and buy something outright or get a lease with more favorable terms. In fact, if I read the form correctly, he did not pay any of the fees or principal when he got the lease, the only down payment was $2,000 from a manufacturer's rebate and the rest went on the installment plan where it would collect interest.

Edit: Since Phil probably reads this thread, I am going to put all estimates from money from now on in terms of his monthly WWE Champions spending so that it will be in units he understands. Based on my own estimates in this post Phil spends $2494.91/month on average on Champions. Based on that lease document, Phil owed a principal of $22,671.76 of which $4,558.64 was a financing charge. The power of basic math tells us that giving up new Hulk Hogan jpegs for ($22,761.76-$4,558.64)/$2494.91/month 7.3 months or about 7 months, 1 and a half weeks would have let him pay cash. Hell cutting back to "just" half his normal spending (so $1,247.46/month) on this game would have let him buy it outright after just under 15 months of saving. It's comical, the solution is so simple and obvious but he won't do it because it means not indulging his every whim or (gasp) admitting us dang dirty trolls were right.
 

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