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The golden neckbeard said:
The testing is garbage...the antibody testing is extremely flawed. The tests are picking up common colds.

I have a theory that the virus is not as widespread as it seems and that our methods for testing are completely flawed. In africa they used CDC test kits on grass, goats , and fruits and althey showed positive.

I dont trust the testing

Nobody knows what's going on with this virus 6 months later. It's possible it doesnt even exist on the level we think it does...or it's possible it's much worse because testing is netting in common colds.

What happened it Wuhan and Italy and what's going on in Brazil lately is not what's happening in the states. Which makes me think the "no symptoms" meme is completely bullshit. Something is going around fucking up young and old alike but it's just not widespread here.

Reminds me of AIDS...took 5 or so years to really get a handle on what the fuck it really was..I vaguely remember CDC saying mosquitos, coughing and toilet seats were a way it spread early on
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It;s to keep the reported mortality rate as high as possible to justify the lockdowns. It's the same reason they've been putting coofers into the nursing homes.

This bug has been around for 6 months, we've already experienced the worse it had to offer, which frankly wasn't much. Old people and fat people should avoid casual social contact with strangers and take vitamin c & d as a supplement. If you have hypertension drop the ACE inhibitors, it's debatable whether they're doing much for you anyway besides wreck your kidneys. Brazil's President is an actual right winger, so of course the media will report scare mongering bullshit.
Vault Boy said:
Good, fuck De Blasio and his dumbass lockdown policies.

After all the horseshit people had to put up with this year, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to relax at a park.
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Kids are largely immune and in the rare cases they do catch it they show no symptoms. The WHO have already announced that asymptomatic spread is a myth. Fat niggers OTOH seem to do worse compared to any other demo. So what they doing? Keeping the schools and the play parks closed while encouraging the fat darkies to congregate in massive numbers.
 
Anyone else sad that this was just the literal flu, and not the second coming of the Spanish Flu? I wanna take these masks off.
 
WTF is that? I guess Fauci wants to see Remdisivir without any cheaper rival.
The coronavirus extended its grip across the world on Monday, hitting Brazil particularly hard as both the U.S. and China grappled with a surge of new cases that called into question the recent wave of gradually easing restrictions.

Separately, the Food and Drug Administration appeared to end a polarizing debate over hydroxychloroquine by yanking its emergency use designation. The drug was once touted as a potential “game changer” by President Donald Trump in the fight against COVID-19, but has since been linked to deadly side effects.

Overall, the virus has now affected nearly 8 million globally, with more than 433,000 reported dead. In the U.S., more than 2 million cases have been reported and more than 115,000 have died amid a case spike in over half a dozen states showing worrying multi-day trends of increases.

In China, where the virus first appeared, Beijing reported a modest rise in cases tied to a food market, prompting the government to adopt a “wartime” posture. Meanwhile, Brazil has become an avatar of a Latin American region that’s rapidly emerged as a global hotspot.

Though many public health officials maintain the surges in the U.S. are part of the first wave of the virus, stocks and oil slid Monday on fears a second wave could hit sooner than the expected fall/winter timelines.

Public officials have noted concerns over states like Texas, Florida, Arizona and California — which has some of the most restrictive orders on the books yet has still seen COVID-19 diagnoses spike recently. The Golden State has now seen 5,000 deaths and nearly 150,000 cases, according to state data.
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This is interesting. In the very first set of case reports, from China, they strongly advised against use of dexamethasone and showed ‘data’ that made it seem as if it increased death rates by a significant amount.
Now a british study, RECOVER, shows it’s extremely effective.
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Dexamethasone is a first life-saving coronavirus drug - BBC News

archived 16 Jun 2020 12:11:43 UTC
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How many lives lost by listening to the original
Advice from China?
 
Study results published for the treatment for rona patients suffering acute respiratory failure

https://archive.is/D0dL3

TLDR the administration of low dose Dexamethasone, a cheap non patent steroid, has shown to reduce mortality rate by one third for those on high flow oxygen or requiring mechanical ventilation.

Reminder that steroids were used effectively for the treatment of SARS and contrarian medics have been using both Dexamethasone and Methyl Pred for months with excellent results.

However while this is good news the study authors are still pushing the BS that Chloroquine shows no efficacy for hospitalized Covid patients, yeah no shit. It's a prophylactic.

So hopefully we will soon have treatment protocols that will all but eliminate ventilators for the coof, which is what's actually killing people.
 
Bosmadden said:
However while this is good news the study authors are still pushing the BS that Chloroquine shows no efficacy for hospitalized Covid patients, yeah no shit. It's a prophylactic.
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That's a pure sign of TDS. It's the only reason anyone could be anti-chloroquine so adamantly.
 
Otterly said:
This is interesting. In the very first set of case reports, from China, they strongly advised against use of dexamethasone and showed ‘data’ that made it seem as if it increased death rates by a significant amount.
Now a british study, RECOVER, shows it’s extremely effective.

How many lives lost by listening to the original
Advice from China?
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Bosmadden said:
Study results published for the treatment for rona patients suffering acute respiratory failure

https://archive.md/D0dL3

TLDR the administration of low dose Dexamethasone, a cheap non patent steroid, has shown to reduce mortality rate by one third for those on high flow oxygen or requiring mechanical ventilation.

Reminder that steroids were used effectively for the treatment of SARS and contrarian medics have been using both Dexamethasone and Methyl Pred for months with excellent results.

However while this is good news the study authors are still pushing the BS that Chloroquine shows no efficacy for hospitalized Covid patients, yeah no shit. It's a prophylactic.

So hopefully we will soon have treatment protocols that will all but eliminate ventilators for the coof, which is what's actually killing people.
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So what you're telling me is that if we treated this like we treated SARS originally then there likely wouldn't have been as much panic or deaths? Neat.
 
SiccDicc said:
So what you're telling me is that if we treated this like we treated SARS originally then there likely wouldn't have been as much panic or deaths? Neat.
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Super old and chronically unwell people are always at risk of dying, comes with the territory. Sometimes they catch a bug and their immune system can't handle it because they're fat diabetics or 97 years young. We have the actuaries, it's literally no big deal and no one, I mean no one gives a fuck.

But we were told that the coof was different, with modelling showing anything from a 0.5 to 3% mortality rate, with around 70% population exposure to achieve herd immunity, which would be transitory because it's a coronavirus.
That was the scenario sold to our boomer leaders and why we shut everything down for months and why some places are still restricted while they wait for a vaccine. It seems to me we have a whole lot of people who're now desperate to validate that decision, who have been going out of their way to block effective treatment protocols and have in fact been encouraging practices that are designed to juice the mortality number (placing the infected in nursing homes/ early intubation and ventilation in hospitals being two obvious examples).

We know what treatment protocols work (pretty much the same protocols we used with SARS). If we want to know whether Cholroquine is an effective prophylactic simply measure the infection rate of Rheumatoid or Lupus sufferers compared with the equivalent demographic. Instead we've been given hospital based studies that are either besides the point or outright fraudulent.
 
Bosmadden said:
It seems to me we have a whole lot of people who're now desperate to validate that decision, who have been going out of their way to block effective treatment protocols and have in fact been encouraging practices that are designed to juice the mortality number (placing the infected in nursing homes/ early intubation and ventilation in hospitals being two obvious examples).
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Whenever I bring this up with a friend he asks where would we put them? Since hospitals can only hold so many and only have so many isolation wards. I can never convince him that nursing homes ain't it because they're the most at risk regardless.

How would you convince such a person?
 
SiccDicc said:
Whenever I bring this up with a friend he asks where would we put them? Since hospitals can only hold so many and only have so many isolation wards. I can never convince him that nursing homes ain't it because they're the most at risk regardless.

How would you convince such a person?
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Tell him that the rona is at least partially contact transmitted, IOW you shit it out. In nursing homes >90% of residents are incontinent and infection control standards are poor to terrible (including hand washing). Nursing homes are also completely lacking in negative pressure rooms and have minimal supply of PPE. You put a Covid patient in a nursing home you are guaranteeing that a huge percentage of the other residents, who haven't consented to this risk, will be exposed.

The hospitals aren't over loaded, they could easily cope with a few thousand old people with Coivd. But if that's your worry go to a Sanatorium model, set up primary care facilities that will only accept confirmed positives but won't be offering ICU beds. The justification for the lockdowns were 'we've got to protect the elderly'. The justification for putting coof patients in nursing homes was 'we've got to stop hospitals being clogged with the elderly'. WTF?
 
Super-Chevy454 said:
WTF is that? I guess Fauci wants to see Remdisivir without any cheaper rival.
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Actually now they are all parroting that dexamethasone "saves lives". Because you see, publishing that anti-inflammatory medication reduces inflammation is a genius discovery.

They are all looking for news where there aren't any, as long as people read the news why not repeat it?

Btw @ putting infected people in "nursing homes" - you do realise it's a flu, right? the flu just last season killed 50% of the people dead "from or with" the virus (because they mix both things, so a terminal patient who had cancer etc. and dies and is found positive is yet another death - depending on how governments want to count)

www.cdc.gov

Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Flu Burden Estimates

CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

imho you can't convince people about masks not working etc., they are just fixated and even if governments kept repeating don't wear a mask, the side-effects do more harm that the disease you are not preventing, it seems to me that they will wear a mask "just in case".
 
Another good Reason article re the likelihood of people complying with another round of house arrests. Has the scene of the Jews in NYC freeing their playground.

Basically government at the state/county/local level has lost their credibility on the ChiCom Flu. The widespread acceptance and encouragement of BLM protests without using precautions by district attorneys and county "health directors" nationwide was the final nail in the coffin of governmental credibility.

https://reason.com/2020/06/16/anoth...ess-enforceable-than-before/?utm_medium=email



Added: I wrote my "county supervisor" an email this afternoon, basically saying the same thing, and telling her county government has lost all credibility. Not that she will care, but least she knows now that everyone isn't buying the county's bullshit.

Added some more: Got a "response" from one of the "supervisor"s lackeys. Attached was some sort of guideline regarding the house arrest and worship. Translation: We don't give a fuck what you think or believe. We hide behind bullshit rules to keep people from worshiping, but protesting is just fine with us. Fuck that and fuck them. From my standpoint, as we used to say in the service, "total nonparticipation for the total force."
 
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Bosmadden said:
Study results published for the treatment for rona patients suffering acute respiratory failure

https://archive.md/D0dL3

TLDR the administration of low dose Dexamethasone, a cheap non patent steroid, has shown to reduce mortality rate by one third for those on high flow oxygen or requiring mechanical ventilation.

Reminder that steroids were used effectively for the treatment of SARS and contrarian medics have been using both Dexamethasone and Methyl Pred for months with excellent results.

However while this is good news the study authors are still pushing the BS that Chloroquine shows no efficacy for hospitalized Covid patients, yeah no shit. It's a prophylactic.

So hopefully we will soon have treatment protocols that will all but eliminate ventilators for the coof, which is what's actually killing people.
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Methylpred has some risks. It can turn your bones into Swiss cheese when used in SARS/COVID-relevant doses. After the first outbreak in '03, they noted a lot of people who were given large amounts of Methylprednisolone later developed severe osteonecrosis.


COVID-19 is not really a "pneumonia". It's a form of endotheliitis that spreads through the bloodstream to all the vital organs. It kills by causing severe inflammation, oxidative stress, and blood clots, and eventually causes pulmonary edema, ARDS, sepsis, and multiple organ failure.


Doctors have reported that the blood of COVID-19 patients congeals easily, which makes it difficult to keep medical tubing open to deliver drugs and fluids. Blood clots in COVID-19 patients also seem to put them at higher risk for problems like heart attacks and strokes. In fact, when viewed under a microscope, the lungs of COVID-19 patients were peppered with tiny dark micro clots. Patients who had died of the flu also had these clots, but they were 9 times as common in the patients who died of COVID-19.

In addition to the infection of the blood vessels and legions of tiny clots, researchers discovered a third phenomenon happening in the blood vessels of patients with COVID-19 that showed how severe their illnesses were.

The vessels blocked by these clots are thinner than the width of a human hair, and they are critical for gas exchange in the lung. With clots choking off the lungs’ blood supply, these tiny vessels seem to make a desperate move, splitting down the middle in an attempt to get blood to these compromised areas -- a phenomenon called intussusceptive angiogenesis.
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www.medpagetoday.com

COVID-19: Anticoagulation Recommended Even After Discharge

Guidance from consensus group and others details on use across settings
www.medpagetoday.com www.medpagetoday.com

"I have never, ever, ever seen such high levels of D-dimer in any of the hundreds of other patients with venous thrombosis that I've seen over the past 15 years," said Behnood Bikdeli, MD, of NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City. "It's just mind-blowing."

Clinicians treating COVID-19 patients have described pervasive clots in the lungs on autopsy, breakthrough clotting clogging dialysis lines despite antithrombotic medication, and even clots forming in real-time during mechanical thrombectomy for ischemic stroke.

"At this point, even though our knowledge is limited, what we know is highly suggestive of a prothrombotic milieu -- an excess of thrombotic events in the setting of COVID-19, specifically severe COVID-19," said Bikdeli.
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The key to treating it is early antiviral therapy, but if it's too late for that, then the strategy should shift to supporting the endothelium with anti-inflammatory and antioxidant treatment, as well as promoting nitric oxide bioavailability.

The best way to treat COVID-19, as far as I can tell, is as follows:

HFNC - Patients need oxygen support, but intubation should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.


Heparin - Need some way to thin the blood and lessen the clotting.


IV Immunoglobulin - The endotheliitis affects vascular permeability and capillary leak/pulmonary edema appears to be a serious component of this. IVIg would help treat this.

www.biospace.com

Some Studies Suggest IV Immunoglobulin Could Help Treat COVID-19 | BioSpace

IVIg is a common blood plasma product that is used to treat other immune disorders.
www.biospace.com www.biospace.com

Nitric Oxide Support - By any means necessary. Vitamin D, Citrulline, Arginine, Cysteine, nitric oxide inhalation, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, whatever increases NO and aids the endothelium. Vitamin D helps regulate NADPH oxidase and prevents the formation of superoxide free radicals which convert nitric oxide to peroxynitrite. Also, citrulline and arginine act as precursors to NO in the body, and cysteine helps sustain it.


Antivirals/Antibiotics - Interferon, Lopinavir/Ritonavir (Kaletra), possibly Camostat, and Azithromycin to tamp down on viral replication and bacterial co-infections. COVID-19 actually decreases the body's own interferon, so dosing patients with interferon acts like interferon replacement.


Monoclonal Antibodies - Tocilizumab, Meplazumab, etc. (lowering IL-6 and CD147)

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ARBs - Something to block AT1 receptors and prevent the Ang II-mediated hypokalemia, inflammation, oxidative stress, and fibrosis, however, it shouldn't be given to patients with low blood pressure, and there is a risk of going too far in the other direction and ending up with hyperkalemia.

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