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I will actually finish the translation this time, but this is the official Chinese statistics and infographic for 1/29/2020

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This is epidemic map for the Coronavirus in China at the time of 24:00 on the 29th. 7711 new cases of coronavirus pneumonia have been diagnosed in the country. 170 deaths and 124 cases have been cured.

If someone else who is better in Chinese can clarify if the new cases, means new from yesterday or in total. I am assuming in total but my Chinese is not all that great.
 
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Yeah, misinformation, panic... This thread has been going very fast, people panicking, even some people GASP encouraging racism and violence and against certain groups!

Null should shut the thread down. Not everything being discussed and believed in the thread is 100% accurate. Lies never spread quickly before the internet. Word of mouth is far more truthful than people typing and sharing video, and certainly cable television never spread lies to vast amounts of people all over the world causing wars and mass panic. Did you know Syria has weapons of mass destruction and that Russia hacked our election? Fucking Ruskies and their meddling.
Yes, I agree with the totally inconspicuous and responsible opinion of this poster.

Shut the thread down, it's all just misinformation from rich privileged white males whose country destroyed the planet and whose culture values billionaires so much everyone else lives in poverty. This "virus" is no more lethal than the sniffles and racism is why people are talking about it.

I have 4 grandparents living in Wuhan who say everything is fine, they have the government taking care of everything, they have good food to eat, they enjoy walking with their neighbors and they have no one is worried. They are a benign, friendly influence who wants global peace and prosperity for all, and Canada and Harvard shared bioweapon research with us in pursuit of that goal.

And we've never done this before. Ever.
 
Ehh its lethality is pretty shitty for a bioweapon, and the chinks initially took their sweet time to react. Guess its a combination of B and the potential of creating mass panic/unrest. Along with possible effects on international trade. Imagine all the made in china crap getting quarantine or decontamination requirements.


Yeah I doubt its a bioweapon. Its low lethality and no uncommon abilities (as far as we've been told) make it as something else. Now if we find out you can catch it by touch, as in absorbed through the skin or much higher kill rate well maybe. Transmission without symptoms is worrying though.

If this came outta the L4 it might have been from the other job that a biowarfare lab has which is identifying something someone might use to make a bioweapon and coming with a vax or cure for. Maybe John Lee was working on that, exposed himself by accident and didnt want to be put in the box for 30 days like Topher Grace's character in the Hotzone so he didnt fess up. Maybe he keeps doing his usual thing, maybe stopping at the wet market on the way home, riding the bus/train, who knows what else and how many people he coulda exposed without ever trying.
 
This yellow number is the number the CCP admits it suspects have the virus now.
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Over 20,000 confirmed or suspected by official numbers, and it's not even February yet.
 
Ok, but why are all the deaths happening in China? Thus far outside China, no-one of the infected people have dropped dead - to the contrary, some of them have already recovered and most are reported to be in good shape. Most likely this is because rest of the world has superior medical facilities compared to China, but still. If this is bioweapon experiment gone wild, it's really not very effective bioweapon.

Most people don't understand how fucked the Chinese health "care" system is. You generally have to pay for it at point of service for one thing, Drs won't treat you or give you medicine unless your family will pay for it up front. At a time of crisis like this that is the worst way to go about things, you want everyone to come in and get treated.


Note where she says SHE'S BRINGING MEDICINE TO HER MOTHER IN THE HOSPITAL. A place that is supposed to give you medicine.

Maybe the cure is just aspirin and chicken soup.
 
Yeah I doubt its a bioweapon. Its low lethality and no uncommon abilities (as far as we've been told) make it as something else. Now if we find out you can catch it by touch, as in absorbed through the skin or much higher kill rate well maybe. Transmission without symptoms is worrying though.

If this came outta the L4 it might have been from the other job that a biowarfare lab has which is identifying something someone might use to make a bioweapon and coming with a vax or cure for. Maybe John Lee was working on that, exposed himself by accident and didnt want to be put in the box for 30 days like Topher Grace's character in the Hotzone so he didnt fess up. Maybe he keeps doing his usual thing, maybe stopping at the wet market on the way home, riding the bus/train, who knows what else and how many people he coulda exposed without ever trying.
Thing to remember: as with all weapons, practice and experience makes a difference. Everything from handling to production, you have to have been in the business to know what you are doing.

We're never going to learn the true story about what happened, the only thing I know is this did not originate from a bat. Bat soup has been popular in China - over 80 million consumers annually - for about 5 years, this would have popped up earlier if it was something common to the environment.

I figure some tech mishandled a sample and it got loose. Unless he's already dead, that tech is sitting in a hotel room with a handler while the CCP decides how to kill him. In China, the price of actual fuck ups is your life, they have a lot of people and no one really cares when a "bad guy" goes missing. The way you know if someone was innocent is when they get the opportunity to apologize, he will never say a word.
 
This thread has gone by so quickly so I'm not sure if this was posted.


China Will Admit International Experts to Help Contain Coronavirus Outbreak
As W.H.O. coordinates scientific teams, federal officials plan to expand screening of travelers from China to 20 ports of entry in the U.S.


If this is late, bring in the late ratings.
If China is already admitting foreign experts, then this disease is even worse than was previously thought.
 
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I said this before, but it was like 100 pages back, so I'll say it again.

Bioweapons are NOT all "ACHOO-BLARGHDEAD" ala Captain Tripps, the T-Virus, the Walking Dead. Most of them are EXACTLY what the novel-corona-virus is.

You have three categories for them, stemming from the Cold War doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction's three-phase plan where you not only want to kill the enemy, but kill EVERYTHING FOREVER, including your own shit so they can't have it.

First is the kind that jumps out of the alley and ass-rapes you, usually coming in Industrial Strength and Bargain Bin, so that the symptoms and stages are confused. The MAD versions are highly communicable, fast acting, and BLARGH DEAD right where you're sitting. Those ones wipe out everyone it comes into contact with, allowing them to only survive long enough to stagger around in delirium and infect other people with even the corpses being infectious (best for when the dogs and rats eat the corpse to spread it). We're talking real world ender shit. Stuff like weaponized bubonic plague type shit. The lethaler and more communicable, the fucking better. Plus, visible symptoms are great to cause panic and fear in the populace and hurry the collapse of the infrastructure. It's even better if it can be like e.coli and hang around forever in animals so that now even food is denied to the poor bastards who survived, because fuck you, that's why.

Then you have the "You're all gonna die, just very very slowly" that are related to the first type, but are designed to take much longer to kill you and leaves some poor bastards alive (preferably all fucked up with scarred hearts and lungs and damaged livers and kidneys, hell, even fever damaged brains if you can pull it off) as carriers. You want to pair it with a "FUCK YOU!" version of itself, so that doctors don't know which is which based on symptoms, which causes the medical system to collapse and the civilian population to freak the fuck out and start burning motherfuckers alive. These two are related and are Four Horseman quality weapons.

Lastly, you have dehabilitating agents. These are where your options come in. Fast acting from asymptomatic to symptoms or not. If not, you want it to be communicable EARLY in the symptomatic phase or at the end of the incubation phase, preferably the middle. OR you want it with a low communicability in order to control it. All of that is just for how the delivery and spread works, what you're really after is this...

Decent asymptomatic incubation stage with communicability in the end of incubation. Mucus and bodily fluid suspension. Hard hitting symptomatic stage. An R0 of at least 3 but no more than 7 in order to keep it from spreading like wildfire.

What this does is the following, and why it's the preferred bioweapon for Total War without the MAD component.

It keeps the troops in the barracks
Sickens political and military leaders
Stops industry
Keeps the citizenry in their homes
Collapses the medical system (This allows you to roll in and "save" them)
Collapses the shipping system (Preventing food and supplies from being shipped)
Causes power, water, phone, and internet interruptions
Divides the citizenry
Makes the government appear weak and ineffective.
Disrupts trade as ships and planes are quarentined (this also leads to a couple of "death ships" out there on the water for later fun)

You spread rumors that the military and political leaders as well as the rich have been given access to a vaccine, mainly to cause civil unrest.

You deliberately enable some of the asymptomatic who are close to communicable to slip cordons and reach other nations in order to force those nations to close the border to the target country and other allies to close airline travel. No allied troops will want to enter the area to avoid sickness.

You want the disease to last a week to two weeks during the symptomatic phase, putting a further drain on the medical system but ALSO you want it to be able to be treated at home by staying home, getting rest, and plenty of fluids, thus confining the citizenry to their homes willingly, unwilling to trust a collapsing medical system.

You want a slow mutation rate, since viruses (the successful ones) DON'T kill their hosts, and over time the disease gets less and less lethal until it's treated as just another "Winter flu" bug.

So, tell me again how this is a shitty bioweapon, unless you mean the full blown "BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY!" versions.
I think your post is great. The point is clear - and you aren't alone in the analysis, but would it not be true that a vast degree of the analysis is dependent on the attribute of the the infectious ability during incubation?

But I still don't see this virus has the qualifications for being considered a bio-weapon. Now, if the CDC and the WHO can get off their asses and actually confirm such things as the infectious nature at the start, middle or end of the incubation then the calculation then serves in your favor.

But we don't have this information, and frankly, given the lack of data forthcoming, I am leaning towards the idea the WHO and CDC may in fact consider this a virus that indeed does have masking abilities during the incubation stage and are in fact holding back this information knowing that if this is the case, that anyone with IBM WATSON or anything like it can calculate the immense destruction the virus will do to the strained Global Economy and Financial Markets.

But there is no data made available anywhere that this is certain - other than some statements from China with no data forthcoming.

I've been watching this since day one when the news first got out - but everything I've said and every plan I have is based on the discovery of this viruses ability to spread during incubation.

If I don't hear some damned facts coming from CDC or WHO is 72 hours - specifically relating to the incubation period and it's mutations, I'm going to assume the worse and act accordingly. Anyone not sweating about this virus is in fact, mad, because so far, this virus and reports do indicate it has the capacity to be catastrophic.
 
If China is already admitting foreign experts, then this disease is even worse than was previously thought.

You would think but China has been zigging and zagging in ways that just dont make sense and that no normal country (even Canada) would. Kinda upholding the inscrutable oriental trope to the extreme.
 
Ok, but why are all the deaths happening in China? Thus far outside China, no-one of the infected people have dropped dead - to the contrary, some of them have already recovered and most are reported to be in good shape. Most likely this is because rest of the world has superior medical facilities compared to China, but still. If this is bioweapon experiment gone wild, it's really not very effective bioweapon.

It's true that China is acting really dramatically, but do consider that it might also be because they have had lots of internal tensions lately with the Hong Kong boogaloo etc. It might be that the CCP is afraid that if they don't flex their muscles now, the people might start to question whether they still hold the Mandate Of Heaven to rule - after all, the Celestial Bureucracy is known for making it's displeasure known through all kinds of disasters in the past.
I have 2 crazy theories ti answer your first question:
  1. China has always played the long game. They are strengthening their nation - read economy - by killing off the old feeble that have become a great burden on society, in particular health care. They saw the Australian fires and said yeah, we need a controlled burn. If they tried to go back to one baby rule to reduce population the citizens would revolt.
  2. This virus is a delivery vehicle for the actual bioweapon and they are inoculating their own population using this less lethal version as a vaccine. It also provides valuable information about dissemination. Their attempts at quarantine are about keeping the rest of the world population vulnerable.
The reality is likely Chinese people doing what Chinese people do and fucking up a containment so royally because their attempts to keep the party happy reached critical mass and finally blew up.

This is a fun game. I fucking hate China so much that it fuels my imagination. I don't believe anything they say and we will probably never know what really happened because they just won't share accurate data.
 
Update about the Wuhan plague ship arriving in the US following evacuation of American citizens from Wuhan, China.


https://www.foxla.com/news/passenge...-from-wuhan-arrives-at-march-air-reserve-base

RIVERSIDE, Calif. - A jet airliner carrying a reported 201 American evacuees from Wuhan, China landed at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County Wednesday morning.

The flight landed just after 8 a.m.

Health officials say the deadly coronavirus originated in Wuhan and the latest numbers reflect 5,974 cases in China.

Those aboard reportedly include diplomats and their families, along with businessmen.


Officials provided an update late Wednesday morning.

The aircraft was originally set to land at the Ontario International Airport, but was diverted to the military base.
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Healthcare workers began setting up mobile health clinics at March Air Reserve Base around 4 a.m. They were prepared to give evacuees another round of medical screenings once the plane lands in Riverside County.

The plane first landed in Alaska from China where all passengers underwent a medical screening at the airport and were all cleared.

“All passengers had already been screened twice before they left China. They were monitored on the flight and in Anchorage, passengers were screened twice more and were approved to continue onto California by the CDC. In California, they will continue medical screenings and will finish the repatriation process,” Anne Zink, the Chief Medical Officer for the State of Alaska said.

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Local officials said steps are being taken to ensure there is no threat to public health.

"While we realize that many people are nervous right now, understand that we are committed to your safety and are taking all precautions to ensure both the passengers and our residents are safe," Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Hewitt said.

The plane touched down at March ARB at 8:11 a.m. The passengers remained at the base and were cordoned off from military personnel. While they are not under mandatory quarantine orders, they are expected to remain under observation at the base for 72 hours.

"When I talked to them about their willingness to stay to be fully evaluated over three days or so, all of those that I talked to were very willing to do that. ... They want to protect their family, they want to protect others," said Christopher Braden, a deputy director at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The passengers will be checked for temperature and respiratory symptoms every three hours over the course of the next three days, officials said.

Asked if any passengers will be allowed to leave the base before the three-day evaluation period is up, Rear Admiral Dr. Nancy Knight, director of the Division of Global Health Protection at the CDC, said, "Any discussion about departure will be just that, a discussion."

Braden said that after the three-day evaluation period, passengers will have the option to go home, but they will continue to be monitored for the remainder of the virus' two-week incubation period by their local public health agency.

"If we think that a person is a danger to the community, we can institute an individual quarantine for that person, and we will," said Braden.

The coronavirus outbreak was first detected in December in the industrial city of Wuhan in the Hubei province of central China. Since then, more than 5,975 cases have been reported in China, with at least 132 deaths, and the virus has been confirmed in patients in a handful of other nations, including the United States. As of midday Wednesday, five cases have been confirmed in the United States -- including one in Los Angeles County and one in Orange County.

City News Service contributed to this report.
 
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