Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Carnavoyeur]

I feel like I may have posted this before, or maybe I read it before the author updated it and I saw it on Twitter this morning. Someone has a hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 arose in China in 2018, and the Omicron variant may be older than the Wuhan variant.

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/

This is one of a couple of major doomers floating around for a while, along with Dan Sirotkin, who hypothesizes that SARS-COV-2 will mutate back to its most deadly form:

A Grin Without a Cat

Bottling-Up the Quasispecies Origins of SARS-CoV-2’s Enigmatic Furin-Cleavage Site.

harvard2thebighouse.substack.com

Neither of these guys appear to have any credentials in virology or epidemiology, and both of them kind of reek of "I am big smart, this is what I think" but their collection of data is interesting.

Side note, I am pretty much over COVID. I still have a stuffy nose and that's about it. The absolute worst of it was a 103 fever and pronounced muscle and joint aches (primarily in the lower back, very much like menstrual cramps) on the first day and those did not last for more than 24 hours. No cough or lung involvement, no smell or taste loss, no gastro issues. I have been much sicker before. Notably in February-March 2020, which is the last time I was sick.

 

[SCSI]

Not the DOD leaks discussed upthread, but related in the sense it has to do with Pfizer data -- remember the big FOIA request that's after the vaccine trial data held by the FDA? The one they originally tried to schedule for a deadline sometime in the 2070s? The one that a judge said "Are you a fucking ass? Get your shit in gear and get it done by the end of 2022, bitch"? Well, it just popped back up with a new plot twist -- Pfizer is trying to intervene in the discovery process. (Archive) (Reminder that the citation for this one is "Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency v. Food and Drug Administration, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, No. 4:21-cv-01058" -- Justia (free) is lagging months behind in updating, but if you have PACER access, you can pull docs from there (not free).)

Pfizer Inc wants to intervene in a Texas federal lawsuit seeking information from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration used in licensing the company's COVID-19 vaccine, a litigation move that plaintiffs who are suing for the data say is premature.

Pfizer's lawyers at DLA Piper told U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman on Jan. 21 it wanted a role in the proceedings to help the FDA avoid "inappropriately" disclosing trade secret and confidential commercial information.

The FDA said on Tuesday in its court filing that it welcomed the opportunity to coordinate with Pfizer amid what the agency called the "unusual and indeed extraordinary circumstances" of the case.

Pittman scheduled a hearing for Friday to consider Pfizer's bid to intervene. The judge is also expected to take up the FDA's logistical concerns about his Jan. 6 order that directed the agency to release 55,000 pages monthly starting on March 1.

The FDA declined to comment on Wednesday, and Pfizer said in a statement that its intervention "will help accelerate the release of documents."

I grabbed Pfizer's motion and attached the PDF. I also pulled the plaintiff's response to Pfizer's motion (plaintiffs == the coalition of doctors who want the data) and attached it. Let's see what Pfizer has to say.

Spoiler: Legal Sperganalysis

While Pfizer supports the public review of much of this information which will help build trust and confidence in the vaccine, the records Plaintiff has requested also contain information exempt from production under FOIA, including the personal privacy information of individuals who participated in clinical trials and confidential business and trade secret information of Pfizer, such as its proprietary manufacturing processes. See 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(4), (b)(6).

Bullshit.

Pfizer was not aware of Plaintiff’s FOIA request or this litigation prior to reading news reports about this Scheduling Conference in December 2021.

FDA expressed concern, however, about its ability to adequately review the volume of requested information in the timeframe that Plaintiff proposed in order to protect against the inadvertent disclosure of trade secrets, sensitive commercial and financial information, and confidential personal information about clinical trial test subjects. <SNIP> At the Scheduling Conference, the Court suggested that intervention by Pfizer would be advisable given these concerns.

Interesting. If it was the Court who pinged Pfizer, good odds they will be friendly to letting the corp get involved then. But does Pfizer have such a right? They may, actually. They argue they have it under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 24A...

(1) the application for intervention must be timely; (2) the applicant must have an interest relating to the property or transaction which is the subject of the action; (3) the applicant must be so situated that the disposition of the action may, as a practical matter, impair or impede his ability to protect that interest; (4) the applicant’s interest must be inadequately represented by the existing parties to the suit.

.. As well as FRCP Rule 24B.

Courts have discretion to permit intervention where the movant “has a claim or defense that shares with the main action a common question of law or fact.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 24(b)(1)(B). In considering a motion for permissive intervention, the Court considers whether the motion is timely and whether the proposed intervention will “unduly delay or prejudice the adjudication of the rights of the original parties.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 24(b)(3); see also United States v. Colvin, 203 B.R. 930, 941 (N.D. Tex. 1996).

I'm not going to sperg out in overly in depth on the procedural arguments because Jesus is that shit boring, and there is little I hate more than Civil Procedure. I will say that they do have an actual, legitimate argument -- they didn't drag their feet on asking to jump in (although timeliness here also gets into whether or not intervention will cause delays in actually producing data, which is an argument the plaintiffs bring up) (1), it's their research data so they definitely have an interest in their (intellectual) property (2), and the discovery data pool is almost certainly riddled with genuinely confidential data, some of which may well include info on manufacturing processes or other business secrets, which would fuck them over business-wise vs. their rivals if it got out (3). It's the last point, 4, where I think the real argument is -- basically, is the FDA's discovery team unable to handle the job and likely to fuck it up/are the plaintiffs likely to protect any legitimately confidential Pfizer data they may accidentally end up with?

FDA’s general interest in avoiding the disclosure of proprietary and private information does not ensure that FDA will adequately protect Pfizer’s business interests. Indeed, it is well established in this Circuit that Government entities generally cannot adequately represent the interests of aspiring intervenors, especially where the government “must represent the broad public interest,” while the intervenor seeks to protect specific concerns, such as an individual company’s proprietary or economic rights. Espy, 18 F.3d at 1208 (“Given the minimal burden on the movants to satisfy this requirement, we conclude that the government’s representation of the intervenors’ interest is inadequate.”); see also John Doe No. 1, 256 F.3d at 381 (same).

Lol. Lawyer burn. Given the clown show the FDA's put on so far, they have a point.

Likewise, although Pfizer and Plaintiff share an interest in transparency regarding the vaccine, that commonality does not extend to Pfizer’s trade secrets or confidential commercial information.

Plaintiff does have an interest in not getting sued into a smoking crater if they release stuff they shouldn't though.

Moreover, Pfizer is uniquely positioned to evaluate the potential commercial sensitivities associated with the production of its regulatory submissions and identify trade secrets and other protected confidential information.

A serial killer is uniquely positioned to identify where the bodies are buried.

Anyway, that's Rule 24A. I don't like Pfizer, but they're not totally talking out of their collective ass.

What about Rule 24B?

Pfizer’s interest in protecting its trade secrets and confidential commercial information shares questions of both law and fact in common with the present case. As shown above, Pfizer’s motion also is timely. Moreover, Pfizer’s intervention will not prejudice the Parties because Pfizer does not dispute that Plaintiff is entitled to non-exempt information from the BLA under its FOIA request and Pfizer does not seek any delay in the production of that information. Rather, Pfizer’s intervention will facilitate production of the information Plaintiff seeks since Pfizer can assist the Parties in efficiently segregating and redacting any data and information that are subject to FOIA statutory exemptions.

Perhaps. It all comes down to whether or not you trust them on the bit I highlighted in yellow. If you skim through the plaintiff's counterarguments in their document, you'll see they sure as hell don't.

In doing so, the company even includes a highly misleading header for another irrelevant list of studies, “Preprints of safety and efficacy data as they became available,” which falsely indicates that these preprints include the underlying safety and efficacy data. (Dkt. No. 41 at 7.) Of course, none of these documents contain the raw data relied upon to license Pfizer’s vaccine that is sought in this action, i.e., the underlying data that would permit verifying any of the company’s claims, but rather they contain only sanitized summaries of information. Pfizer may just be hoping that the next reporter does not look any closer than the headlines.

However, for the reasons discussed above, Pfizer’s refusal to rule out a request to change the production schedule, and its failure to articulate a convincing reason why it needs to intervene right now (rather than later if any redactions are challenged), concern Plaintiff.

They also don't trust the FDA at all.

If anything, the FDA put Pfizer’s interests well ahead of the American public’s interest when it originally sought to produce just 500 pages per month, in large measure to ensure it was protecting Pfizer’s trade secrets and confidential business information.

Whichever way the Court goes, Friday should be fun.

BTW, if you're not interested in the legal bits, only the science stuff, this document has a treasure trove for you. Pfizer opens it with a 2 page dump of links straight to whitepaper and research data from the Comirnaty vax development. (NB -- This is the stuff the Plaintiffs complained was sanitized fluff.) I ripped them out and spoilered them below. @Drain Todger and @Lichen Bark , this one's for you two!

Spoiler: Research Data Straight From Pfizer

U.S. Food & Drug Admin. Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Briefing Documents and Presentations, see, e.g., BNT162b2
(COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA)) VRBPAC Briefing Document (Oct. 26, 2021), https://www.fda.gov/media/153409/download

Presentation, BNT162b2 (COVID19 Vaccine, mRNA) Vaccine – Request for Emergency Use Authorization in Individuals 5 to <12 Years of Age (Oct. 26, 2021), https://www.fda.gov/media/153513/download

BNT162b2 (COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA)) Evaluation of a Booster Dose (Third Dose) VRBPAC Briefing Document (Sept. 17, 2021),

https://www.fda.gov/media/152161/download

Presentation, BNT162b2 (COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA)) Booster (Third) Dose (Sept. 17, 2021),

https://www.fda.gov/media/152240/download

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (BNT162, PF-0730204 VRBPAC Briefing Document (Dec. 10, 2020),

https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download

Presentation, BNT162b2 Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 (Dec. 10, 2020),

https://www.fda.gov/media/144325/download

Pfizer, PF-07302048 (BNT162 RNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccines) Protocol C4591001, A Phase 1/2/3 Study to Evaluate the Safety, Tolerability, Immunogenicity, and Efficacy of RNA Vaccine Candidates Against COVID-19 in Healthy Individuals (Nov. 2020),

https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf

Preprints of safety and efficacy data as they became available, see, e.g., Stephen Thomas et al., Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine, medRxiv 2021.07.28.21261159 (July 28, 2021), https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf

Xuping Xie et al., Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 spike 69/70 deletion, E484K, and N501Y variants by BNT162b2 vaccine-elicited sera, bioRxiv 2021.01.27.427998 (Jan. 27, 2021), https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.427998v1.full.pdf

Alexander Muik et al., Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 pseudovirus by BNT162b2 vaccine-elicited human sera, bioRxiv 2021.01.18.426984 (Jan. 18, 2021), https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.18.426984v1.full.pdf

Xuping Xie et al., Neutralization of N501Y mutant SARS-CoV-2 by BNT162b2 vaccine-elicited sera, bioRxiv 2021.01.07.425740 (Jan. 7, 2021),

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.07.425740v1.full.pdf

Ugur Sahin et al., BNT162b2 induces SARS-CoV-2-neutralising antibodies and T cells in humans, medRxiv 2020.12.09.20245175 (Dec. 9, 2020),

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.09.20245175v1.full.pdf

Edward Walsh et al., RNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccine BNT162b2 Selected for a Pivotal Efficacy Study, medRxiv 2020.08.17.20176651 (Aug. 17, 2020),

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.17.20176651v1.full.pdf

Ugur Sahin et al., Concurrent human antibody and TH1 type T-cell responses elicited by a COVID19 RNA vaccine, medRxiv 2020.07.17.20140533 (July 17, 2020),

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.17.20140533v1.full.pdf

Mark Mulligan et al., Phase 1/2 Study to Describe the Safety and Immunogenicity of a COVID19 RNA Vaccine Candidate (BNT162b1) in Adults 18 to 55 Years of Age: Interim Report, medRxiv 2020.06.30.20142570 (June 30, 2020), https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1.full.pdf

and Publications presenting safety and efficacy data, see, e.g., Emmanuel Walter et al., Evaluation of the BNT162b2 Covid-19 Vaccine in Children 5 to 11 Years of Age, NEW ENG. J. MED. 386, 35–46 (2022), https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116298

Yang Liu et al., Letter to the Editor: Neutralizing Activity of BNT162b2-Elicited Serum, NEW ENG. J. MED. 384,1466–68 (2021), https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102017

Jianying Liu et al., BNT162b2-elicited neutralization of B.1.617 and other SARS-CoV-2 variants, NATURE 596, 273–75 (2021), https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03693-y

Xuping Xie et al., Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 spike 69/70 deletion, E484K and N501Y variants by BNT162b2 vaccine-elicited sera, NATURE MED. 27, 620–21 (2021), https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01270-4

Alexander Muik et al., Neutralization of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 pseudovirus by BNT162b2 vaccine–elicited human sera, SCIENCE 371, 1152–53 (2021), https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg6105

Stephen Thomas et al., Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine through 6 Months, NEW ENG. J.MED. 385, 1761–73 (2021), https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

Fernando Polack et al., Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine, NEW ENG. J. MED. 383, 2603–15 (2020),

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Edward Walsh et al., Safety and Immunogenicity of Two RNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccine Candidates, NEW ENG. J.MED. 383, 2439–50 (2020), https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2027906

 

[X Prime]

https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkinsSPH/status/1481687506148118529

https://archive.vn/0xrJi

Maximum cringe shilling for specifically mRNA boosters from Johns Hopkins. This is Pokemon Go to the Polls tier.

 

[awoo]

https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkinsSPH/status/1481687506148118529

https://archive.vn/0xrJi

Maximum cringe shilling for specifically mRNA boosters from Johns Hopkins. This is Pokemon Go to the Polls tier.

rNUsSBydELgAahVF.mp4

bananas give you immunity??

 

[George Lucas]

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You’re more likely to get myocarditis than a starman when you’re in second place.

 

[SCSI]

Horowitz: Whistleblowers share DOD medical data that blows vaccine safety debate wide open

Editor's Note: After publication of this opinion piece, the Department of Defense reported the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database underreported the number of medical conditions between 2016 and 2020. The opinion piece below was written before information for years 2016 through 2020 was...

www.theblaze.com

Is this the leak data that contains very bad info for the vaccine? Also being a phone faggot so no archive.

Ripped the Ron Johnson roundtable mentioned in your article, which contains some of the DOD leaked data (I ended up using the Rumble link as it was higher quality than the YT reupload). Archive clocks in shorter than the original because I threw away the 39 minutes of dead air from before the actual start.

COVID-19: A Second Opinion (Jan 24, 2022) -- Local Archive In 8 Parts​

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

 

[Lichen Bark]

Ripped the Ron Johnson roundtable mentioned in your article, which contains some of the DOD leaked data (I ended up using the Rumble link as it was higher quality than the YT reupload). Archive clocks in shorter than the original because I threw away the 39 minutes of dead air from before the actual start.

COVID-19: A Second Opinion (Jan 24, 2022) -- Local Archive In 8 Parts​

Part 1

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 1of8.mp4

Part 2

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 2of8.mp4

Part 3

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 3of8.mp4

Part 4

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 4of8.mp4

Part 5

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 5of8.mp4

Part 6

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 6of8.mp4

Part 7

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 7of8.mp4

Part 8

COVID-19 - A Second Opinion [vqjwua] - 8of8.mp4

I wish these were potato quality so Null's site could handle them. Really interesting part 2 (I started watching that one first). Buffering! Buffering!

Edit: @awoo Yes, you're right, it's just it was so nicely spoon-fed to me here, and some days I don't always want to go re-looking things up again. I am just complaining about the site, hopefully Null gets the bandwidth upgrade soon. I could also just right click and save the video file, then wait until it's all downloaded, and then watch it. I was just REEEing in a moment of weakness.

 

[Saxxon]

https://twitter.com/JohnsHopkinsSPH/status/1481687506148118529

https://archive.vn/0xrJi

Maximum cringe shilling for specifically mRNA boosters from Johns Hopkins. This is Pokemon Go to the Polls tier.

rNUsSBydELgAahVF.mp4

Making a petition so Null enables the Horrifying sticker just for this post.

 

[Nom Carver]

Maximum cringe shilling for specifically mRNA boosters from Johns Hopkins. This is Pokemon Go to the Polls tier.

Ten bucks says Nintendo's going to go on a legal warpath over this.

 

[awoo]

I wish these were potato quality so Null's site could handle them. Really interesting part 2 (I started watching that one first). Buffering! Buffering!

If these are US gov videos then they should be free from copyright and can be uploaded to archive.org.
Did you try youtube? Also this is a place where a torrent would work well (archive.org automatically creates torrents for their uploads but idk if anyone uses them.)

 

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1486403687979307013

Didn't see this mentioned. Denmark is cashing out, and the Branch Covidians are SEETHING.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=M9SGYBHY0qsGrimes's video for Violence came out in September 2019 and featured face masks.

Not to be mean but face masks were starting to become trendy in 2018/2019. Not for the "no spread of germs" but for protecting your identity it didn't filter down to normies but if you were at the top of trends you would have seen it. This vid was in 2017,

Also can we re-talk about the DOD leaks? So they lied by a lack of 10 when it came to problems right?

the DOD basically hid killing off an entire division worth of troops essentially. if what i skimmed is accurate to what was posted

 

[z0mb0]

these commentators expressed concerns that they were going to get attacked for wearing a mask

Why would they be afraid of that? Have THEY been attacking people over shit and trying to ruin lives?

 

[Freedom Fighter]

Didn't see this mentioned. Denmark is cashing out, and the Branch Covidians are SEETHING.

I swear to god they've done this a couple times now, or am I imagining it?

 

[The Spoony One X]

My workmate told me that his ex-wife took their kids to be vaccinated this week without telling him.....

I know this is not over and we have all of the tyannical policies that will remain and that the elite will jump straight into the climate change mandates (the MSM is already saying that we free thinkers will pivot towards climate change misinformation this year), the fight continues on. But what I fear right now is that they will spin the end of the pandemic as a win for the establishment, that they will say that thanks to the mandates and the people who followed them they stopped COVID and they will be best to continue to listen to the "experts". I can just see the masses buying into it and the history books showing that it was all justified.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Not to be mean but face masks were starting to become trendy in 2018/2019. Not for the "no spread of germs" but for protecting your identity it didn't filter down to normies but if you were at the top of trends you would have seen it. This vid was in 2017, https://youtube.com/watch?v=wenmujmnkX8
Also can we re-talk about the DOD leaks? So they lied by a lack of 10 when it came to problems right?

the DOD basically hid killing off an entire division worth of troops essentially. if what i skimmed is accurate to what was posted

Also in the late 2010s the kind of extreme left cat lady hysterics who are driving covid hysteria and blm hysteria also had a subset who wore vogmasks for their various Ehlers Danlos fibromyalgia multiple chemical sensitivity "invisible disabilities."

For instance.

 

[AssignedEva]

Why would they be afraid of that? Have THEY been attacking people over shit and trying to ruin lives?

They're afraid of catching a cold, obviously their threat perception has gone screwy.
In all seriousness, this is something I saw before in the run up to/at the start of mask mandates. There were a couple of protests and videos from the US of people yelling because they weren't allowed into stores, and Brit Reddit somehow extrapolated that they would get targeted and assaulted for wearing masks because le ebil anti-maskers hated freedom or whatever.

This never really became a thing here (anti-maskers yelling, we did have protests), because you didn't have to wear a mask if you were exempt and nobody is allowed to ask you what your exemption is, so if you didn't want to wear a mask you didn't have to. The only time I've seen someone unmasked get in a row is when someone in a mask started having a go at them (on the tube last month, this old woman started harassing a bloke who wasn't wearing a mask, he kept telling her that he didn't want to talk to her and she kept droning on and on, and eventually he started yelling "Shut up you stupid old cunt, I don't give a fuck what you think" and then she started yelling and looking around for help. She wasn't in danger, she was just indignant, and everyone on the carriage just looked at her to say "you deserved that").

I think this sort of ludicrousness is the net result of "uhhh coronavirus is like Thanos, and anti-maskers are like thanos's henchmen, and we're the avengers" which means the only reason to have any reservations about covid restrictions or the vaccine is you're evil and want people to die.

 

[z0mb0]

They're afraid of catching a cold, obviously their threat perception has gone screwy.
In all seriousness, this is something I saw before in the run up to/at the start of mask mandates. There were a couple of protests and videos from the US of people yelling because they weren't allowed into stores, and Brit Reddit somehow extrapolated that they would get targeted and assaulted for wearing masks because le ebil anti-maskers hated freedom or whatever.

This never really became a thing here (anti-maskers yelling, we did have protests), because you didn't have to wear a mask if you were exempt and nobody is allowed to ask you what your exemption is, so if you didn't want to wear a mask you didn't have to. The only time I've seen someone unmasked get in a row is when someone in a mask started having a go at them (on the tube last month, this old woman started harassing a bloke who wasn't wearing a mask, he kept telling her that he didn't want to talk to her and she kept droning on and on, and eventually he started yelling "Shut up you stupid old cunt, I don't give a fuck what you think" and then she started yelling and looking around for help. She wasn't in danger, she was just indignant, and everyone on the carriage just looked at her to say "you deserved that").

I think this sort of ludicrousness is the net result of "uhhh coronavirus is like Thanos, and anti-maskers are like thanos's henchmen, and we're the avengers" which means the only reason to have any reservations about covid restrictions or the vaccine is you're evil and want people to die.

Less rules telling them they're right means they are less sure they are morally superior to the other. Thing is, I'm sure some people will fuck with them, and these are not the kind of people who can deal with that.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I think this sort of ludicrousness is the net result of "uhhh coronavirus is like Thanos, and anti-maskers are like thanos's henchmen, and we're the avengers" which means the only reason to have any reservations about covid restrictions or the vaccine is you're evil and want people to die.

I'm sorry but I just couldn't help myself...

This is one of a couple of major doomers floating around for a while, along with Dan Sirotkin, who hypothesizes that SARS-COV-2 will mutate back to its most deadly form:

A Grin Without a Cat

Bottling-Up the Quasispecies Origins of SARS-CoV-2’s Enigmatic Furin-Cleavage Site.

harvard2thebighouse.substack.com

Neither of these guys appear to have any credentials in virology or epidemiology, and both of them kind of reek of "I am big smart, this is what I think" but their collection of data is interesting.

This is something I've been noticing for awhile. With the exception of a small handful of "experts" (re:unelected 'public health' bureaucrats), it seems mostly people who aren't well versed in virology who keep jumping to the "what if it mutates to be MORE deadly!?!?!" question/cope. Even then the aforementioned 'experts' mostly run with the "well no proof that it WONT" to explain the absence of proof that it will.

Even in the earlier days of this thread back in Mar 2020 (oh what a time) I remember arguing with all the people who got their PhD in virology from Plague Inc. who were claiming COVID was going get more deadly the more people it infects.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

This is something I've been noticing for awhile. With the exception of a small handful of "experts" (re:unelected 'public health' bureaucrats), it seems mostly people who aren't well versed in virology who keep jumping to the "what if it mutates to be MORE deadly!?!?!" question/cope. Even then the aforementioned 'experts' mostly run with the "well no proof that it WONT" to explain the absence of proof that it will.

They still are saying that. Some Covidian sources proclaim that the virus MAY fuse with ebola or AIDS and then become the Black Death and kill like 1/3 of everyone alive and this possibility means we MUST have lockdowns and mask mandates and send people to vaccination camps to get to that Zero COVID goal. But this is the same guy (can't remember his name, he's some idiot journoslime) who believes the US will very soon fall under the control of a fascist shadow government (thanks to Trump-appointed federal judges, elected Republican politicians, and QAnon believers) so who knows.

Even in the earlier days of this thread back in Mar 2020 (oh what a time) I remember arguing with all the people who got their PhD in virology from Plague Inc. who were claiming COVID was going get more deadly the more people it infects.

I do too. It's a shame the "Lockdowns and Quarantines" thread has remained unbumped since I remember there being many abject retards in that thread. Turns out I was right.