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Ruin said:
The American society of pediatrics same out with a preliminary study and thinks there may have been as much as a 15 point IQ drop in babies born during the pandemic.

There may be a lot more Chris Chan's soon.
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looked it up myself and it's actually 22 points. words can't describe how fucked up that is but an interesting side-effect is the ivy league classes of the early 2040s will likely mainly consist of kids from states like florida and flyover ones where they usually don't stand a chance
 
ddw said:
looked it up myself and it's actually 22 points. words can't describe how fucked up that is but an interesting side-effect is the ivy league classes of the early 2040s will likely mainly consist of kids from states like florida and flyover ones where they usually don't stand a chance
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Makes you wonder how bad the neurological damage from the jab is long-term. It's known to pass through the placenta as well as breast milk.
 
Ruin said:
The American society of pediatrics same out with a preliminary study and thinks there may have been as much as a 15 point IQ drop in babies born during the pandemic.
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I just don't understand how. What are babies missing now that they aren't getting during the pandemic? Is the lack of social interaction, but how much non-family social interaction would a 2 year old have by this point anyways? Unless its just the parents doomscrolling all day and neglecting their kids.

edit: I was assuming this was all kids in the study. Didn't think it might have had to do with pregnant mothers being jabbed.
 
Basic Blonde Boy said:
Genuine question for Kiwis on this board. What is the purpose and overall effects of the booster?

After the Corona scare, my family is looking into it. Parents have already gotten it. I am hesitant as I genuinely see no purpose for it as it sounds like it does nothing. For some more anecdotes, I had someone who works in a nursing home in Indiana tell us that old people were catching it in mass where she worked even though they were x3 vaxxed.
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Look up "PZP". Also money and social control.

Does the vax actually provide any real protections or lessen any symptoms?
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The opposite.

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Basic Blonde Boy said:
Genuine question for Kiwis on this board. What is the purpose and overall effects of the booster?

After the Corona scare, my family is looking into it. Parents have already gotten it. I am hesitant as I genuinely see no purpose for it as it sounds like it does nothing. For some more anecdotes, I had someone who works in a nursing home in Indiana tell us that old people were catching it in mass where she worked even though they were x3 vaxxed.

Does the vax actually provide any real protections or lessen any symptoms?
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People are such huge pol-spergs they cant even answer a question.


Some systems of your immunity have a worse "memory" than other and they need to be reminded of the viruses configuration so you get a booster. Also they are constantly updating the booster shots to the new variants so as to have your immune system configured as best as possible to fend of the virus.

Its not super effective but seems to do some good so take it if youre in a risk-group.
 
TheTrumanShow said:
Some systems of your immunity have a worse "memory" than other and they need to be reminded of the viruses configuration so you get a booster.
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When has this ever been the case with any other illness in history? That your natural immunity just wanes over time and outright disappears after a while. It's bullshit.
 
Jimjamflimflam said:
I just don't understand how. What are babies missing now that they aren't getting during the pandemic? Is the lack of social interaction, but how much non-family social interaction would a 2 year old have by this point anyways? Unless its just the parents doomscrolling all day and neglecting their kids.

edit: I was assuming this was all kids in the study. Didn't think it might have had to do with pregnant mothers being jabbed.
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Babies are missing out on a lot of interaction. I know I took my kids to the park, zoo, museums, etc. A lot of exploring the world instead of staring at the same 4 walls all day or, even worse, a screen. It's not like my kids didn't watch TV. It's just that I preferred hands on adventures rather than watching the same Elmo video for the 50th time.

Even if they get some of that, everyone is wearing a mask. I can't imagine how much harder it would be to understand the names of new animals or objects when the sound is muffled and the baby can't watch your mouth to help learn how the sounds are made. Or they don't get reassuring facial cues from mom and dad that this new thing is good and not scary.
 
Basic Blonde Boy said:
Genuine question for Kiwis on this board. What is the purpose and overall effects of the booster?

After the Corona scare, my family is looking into it. Parents have already gotten it. I am hesitant as I genuinely see no purpose for it as it sounds like it does nothing. For some more anecdotes, I had someone who works in a nursing home in Indiana tell us that old people were catching it in mass where she worked even though they were x3 vaxxed.

Does the vax actually provide any real protections or lessen any symptoms?
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The concept is that immunity wanes after the second jab and the booster "boosts" this protection. Initially the data from Israel seemed to show immunity of 99%; this is no longer the case.
Jimjamflimflam said:
I just don't understand how. What are babies missing now that they aren't getting during the pandemic? Is the lack of social interaction, but how much non-family social interaction would a 2 year old have by this point anyways? Unless its just the parents doomscrolling all day and neglecting their kids.

edit: I was assuming this was all kids in the study. Didn't think it might have had to do with pregnant mothers being jabbed.
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This is more likely to do with the mothers being heavily stressed during pregnancy due to lockdowns and fear of covid. Flashback to 2020 and imagine finding you're pregnant, you and your husband are both furloughed or have been made redundant, there's panic buying in stores and food shortages, a disease that as far as you know could kill you or the baby, daily terrifying updates and you can't even go see your Mum for reassurance and advice or attend antenatal classes to meet other expectant mothers.

Your system would be absolutely flooded with cortisol (the stress hormone). It's naturally higher during pregnancy but elevated levels will stunt fetal development, result in postpartum developmental delays and increase the risk of the baby developing autism. It can also significantly boost the rate of miscarriage and health complications like premature birth or (for the mother) preeclampsia.
 
AssignedEva said:
The concept is that immunity wanes after the second jab and the booster "boosts" this protection. Initially the data from Israel seemed to show immunity of 99%; this is no longer the case.

This is more likely to do with the mothers being heavily stressed during pregnancy due to lockdowns and fear of covid. Flashback to 2020 and imagine finding you're pregnant, you and your husband are both furloughed or have been made redundant, there's panic buying in stores and food shortages, a disease that as far as you know could kill you or the baby, daily terrifying updates and you can't even go see your Mum for reassurance and advice or attend antenatal classes to meet other expectant mothers.

Your system would be absolutely flooded with cortisol (the stress hormone). It's naturally higher during pregnancy but elevated levels will stunt fetal development, result in postpartum developmental delays and increase the risk of the baby developing autism. It can also significantly boost the rate of miscarriage and health complications like premature birth or (for the mother) preeclampsia.
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Yes, I agree with you. Many times during this shitshow I was very happy that I am past this stage of life. I would hate being pregnant in 2020-202? Not only stress from constant uncertainty but also insane pressure to get vaxed while pregnant with some weird concoction.
 

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Not that I have any intent of getting either, but what would happen if I got the booster without getting the first two shots first? And at some point, as the old variants that the original "vaccine" was made for go extinct and omicron/pi/rho/whatever supplant them all, won't the original "vaccines" become completely useless and unnecessary, at which point you should, theoretically, be able to just get the latest booster for the latest variant-of-the-month and skip the original "vaccines" entirely and still be fully protected? Or is that not how any of this works?
 
CeleryStalks said:
Not that I have any intent of getting either, but what would happen if I got the booster without getting the first two shots first? And at some point, as the old variants that the original "vaccine" was made for go extinct and omicron/pi/rho/whatever supplant them all, won't the original "vaccines" become completely useless and unnecessary, at which point you should, theoretically, be able to just get the latest booster for the latest variant-of-the-month and skip the original "vaccines" entirely and still be fully protected? Or is that not how any of this works?
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The "Booster" is just a third dose of the same shit.
 
CeleryStalks said:
Not that I have any intent of getting either, but what would happen if I got the booster without getting the first two shots first? And at some point, as the old variants that the original "vaccine" was made for go extinct and omicron/pi/rho/whatever supplant them all, won't the original "vaccines" become completely useless and unnecessary, at which point you should, theoretically, be able to just get the latest booster for the latest variant-of-the-month and skip the original "vaccines" entirely and still be fully protected? Or is that not how any of this works?
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The "booster" is just a third dose of the original vaccine; it's not a new formula. You're just gonna have to re-up your booster every time a new Covid remix drops, at least, according to the guys who make the shots, who, as I'm sure we all know, are completely objective and impartial and have nothing to gain from jabbing us as many times as possible. Our immune systems are being turned into a subscription service. Fuck this gay earth
 
CeleryStalks said:
Not that I have any intent of getting either, but what would happen if I got the booster without getting the first two shots first? And at some point, as the old variants that the original "vaccine" was made for go extinct and omicron/pi/rho/whatever supplant them all, won't the original "vaccines" become completely useless and unnecessary, at which point you should, theoretically, be able to just get the latest booster for the latest variant-of-the-month and skip the original "vaccines" entirely and still be fully protected? Or is that not how any of this works?
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The booster is just another shot of the vaccine, be it Pfizer, AstraZeneca or what have you. So it would essentially be like getting single jabbed.

The vaccine targets the spike protein, which is normally highly conserved in coronaviruses (it doesn't tend to mutate loads as it's how the virus gets into cells). Omicron is weird because it's had a lot of mutations, possibly because it stayed in an immunocompromised person for a very very long time who was kept alive in hospital or (schizotheory) because it was made in a lab. In theory there could come a point where the antibodies the vaccine induces no longer work on the latest strain so it would be useless (or worse than useless in the case of "original antigenic sin" where the body focuses its efforts on making useless antibodies instead of fighting the disease properly - this can also happen with natural immunity).

The immunity waning thing is really about your serum antibody levels dropping off. This also happens with natural immunity. Antibodies are only one part of your immune system and are "remembered" by things called memory cells, but when your antibody levels drop off it can take a while for your body to start making them again (which can increase the chance of the disease getting a foothold, but with covid means you get a much milder illness). This happens with other diseases like pertussis (whooping cough), polio and tetanus, which is why people sometimes get boosters for those.
 
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SneedEyeMitch said:
They have not actually done that yet, they didn't do it for delta, delta+, or A30. They're just giving you the same stuff over and over again.
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I mean I guess Ill take your word for it and admit I bought into the kool aid there if thats the case.


Nobody really wants a booster anyway.

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AssignedEva said:
this can also happen with natural immunity).
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It can't actually, because with natural immunity your body has a broad-spectrum analysis of the virus to work with. It "remembers" the shape of every part it came in contact with and different parts of the immune system "remember" different things about the cell. Even if a naturally immune person is making the wrong spike antigen, it will make the correct choices with T-Cells attacking viral particles and producing antigens for other proteins on the capsid.

Original Antigenic Sin can only cause the effects scientists worry about if you immunize against just one protein on a virus... Sort of like we're doing now.
 
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