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I hope this screenshot is fake or satire, but knowing New York it's probably for real. Something tells me "public health" in Bill A416 will be so vaguely defined anybody who opposes any of this Wuflu madness for any reason will be thrown in jail.
I had to search it up for myself to make sure. At least, A416 is fucking real. Filed in January of this year, but not disputed or passed. Yet.


 
I mean, as I said somewhere else, the only thing different between 2016 and today is that we wear masks so we all look the same. The economy was in the pits and every summer the cities were set on fire by feral niggers. Citizens of all western nations were all under mass-surveillance at all times, and thought-crimes were already a thing.
None of those problems were anywhere near as big in 2016 as they have been lately, either before Trump's election or after it. It might as well have been a golden era of free speech.
 
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Brace yourselves. Obese, narcissistic cluster B women with God Complexes and a seething resentment they would never make the cut in Medicine are coming.
 
Which models, the one used to justify lockdowns based on shit code, or the one you were sperging about that said most people in Florida would soon be dead?

For most people it isn't insanity, but the sheer embarrassment and burning self-hatred of that naggling sense of doubt somewhere in their head that they've been tricked into getting a vaccine that did nothing but give them health problems, potentially for life. Those days of misery after each shot? Pointless, they suffered for no reason at all. They never got their freedoms back, they never reduced the spread of the virus in their community, they just enriched billionaires.

Unfortunately, people don't like to admit they're wrong. They CAN'T have made a bad choice, see, this doctor on TV says so, and he must be a smart doctor since he's on TV. Therefore, all of this internalized rage is taken out on people who haven't made that bad choice. Everyone must make the same bad choice they did, or else it isn't fair. That's psychologically what we're dealing with from the average normie.
There was no model that said everyone in Florida would be dead or even close.

There are certainly many people who have not died thanks to the vaccine. Hospital treatments have quadrupled the number of survivors from severe illness. For some age groups the effect of the vaccine has had a negligible effect on the death rates because they were already low in any event.

If we didn't have the vaccines there would have been a lot more death and perhaps more importantly, a lot more people in the hospitals so that there would have been no chance of any treatments so people would have died needlessly.

There is growing evidence of more health problems with the application of the vaccine which was the fear of an emergency authorization which under normal conditions would take 4-5 years to obtain; and these concerns were shared by people of all sides of the isle so to speak and in every country; but the data was robust enough to show a vast number of lives would be saved so the rational makes sense - that doesn't negate the reality that the vaccine is imparting some health issues to some individuals.

Perhaps on TV they will have people saying it is 100% safe but anyone who has read the studies knows there is give and take with this vaccine. We haven't established yet the levels of that give and take.

There is no absolute right or wrong when we are dealing with every age group; every genetic makeup and applying some kind of standard to everyone. We also have never had a virus introduced to a modern population that essentially wasn't exposed to it from day one of birth; so no one has an absolute right way of looking at this because there just isn't one.

Omicron will sweep through the population and deaths will remain statistically low; but be higher among unvaccinated period. Neither of those 2 positions entirely justify anyones take on pro or anti vaccine stances.

There isn't an absolute right or wrong way to have death with the virus and both sides have been shown to be plain wrong on things. The virus, like humanity changes, and is equally annoying.
 
I am curious actually.

If you get infected by COVID first, get natural immunity, then take the "vaccines," I would imagine OAS doesn't apply. Right?
From everything that's been posted on here, that's probably correct. The immune recall to the whole virus is much stronger than just the spike protein.
I'd stay off the boosters, though - no idea if the repeated exposure could modify the immune response. After all mRNA was envisioned as the silver bullet that would treat a laundry list of diseases, if you're going to treat everything from cancer to autoimmune disease with it it's probably able to modulate immune response such as making the body "forget" or "recall" types of response.
There are certainly many people who have not died thanks to the vaccine. Hospital treatments have quadrupled the number of survivors from severe illness. (...) If we didn't have the vaccines there would have been a lot more death and perhaps more importantly, a lot more people in the hospitals so that there would have been no chance of any treatments so people would have died needlessly. (...) a vast number of lives would be saved so the rational makes sense - that doesn't negate the reality that the vaccine is imparting some health issues to some individuals. (...) We also have never had a virus introduced to a modern population that essentially wasn't exposed to it from day one of birth; so no one has an absolute right way of looking at this because there just isn't one. (...) but be higher among unvaccinated period. Neither of those 2 positions entirely justify anyones take on pro or anti vaccine stances.
I just want to point out that trying to stay in the middle of the road includes pretty serious fallacies.
First, as we have seen the vaccine is shit. As a vaccine, it shouldn't even be called that because it's a shit vaccine that wouldn't even be cleared for emergency use if we were being honest. I'm spitballing here, but from what we have read on this thread it actually seems like the vaccine does fuck all in terms of generating some kind of immunity, but it seems to prepare the body for the inflammatory and oxidative stress event so people from certain age groups will have an increased chance of making it through.
Which leads me to my second point. For a year now we've known that the inflammatory response and oxidative stress is killing people. So the hospital treatments? Not good enough. We could have had so many more survivors if the powers that be had been honest. So the deaths we had before the vaccine? Most of them were probably preventable. And like we've seen for example in the UK, the elderly were goddamn euthanized by being administered high doses of medication they shouldn't have been given. So don't give me this spiel about how the vaccines are preventing death, in a vacuum they would have but we don't live in a vacuum. They prevented deaths that were only in danger of occurring because of proper treatment being denied and villainized. That's a net zero gain.
Third, there was cross immunity from the coronaviruses that cause the common cold. We've also known this for around a year. The virus was indeed novel, but we weren't virgins to it either. Omicron apparently changed things by becoming less efficient at hijacking cells, but evading existing cross immunity.
Fourth and final point - even if you were right about Omicron deaths being higher in the unvaccinated, which you may very well be for all I care, the mechanism of prevention is still not a vaccine but a prophylactical therapy so it should be marketed as such rather than blatantly lying to our faces and telling us it's almost 2022 and we need a shot for a 2019 strain. One would have to be a complete soy midwit to believe the narrative. The catch is that as we have seen, Germany was fucking lying about the vaccinated/unvaccinated numbers by not checking vaccination status and counting the unknowns as unvaccinated. They fucking lied already, so from now on all numbers they give you are a lie too unless they finally fess up and admit to their crimes live on TV. Feel free to come here and show us the statistics. I'll just say they faked them once, they'll be faking them forever and you're a fool for believing proven liars.

TLDR - even if you're right, trying to stay in the middle when one side wants the truth and the other keeps lying inherently requires you to speak in half truths.
 
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I'm gonna pitch a ball here for the other (conspiracy team).

Read this article and shudder at the implications.

Its' on NEWSWEEK:

People Get Microchips Implanted That Include Vaccine Records Amid New COVID Restrictions​

BY MEGHAN ROOS ON 12/3/21 AT 3:09 PM EST
 
Talk from UK gov is now for a "circuit breaker" before christmas.


Undefined restrictions (read "shut down everything and force people to stay apart at christmas") that may (read will) be brought this week, snatching the rug out from under everyone without justification, just because they can.
 
I tend to agree that the government is pretty authoritarian, and the general populace is pretty content to follow what they decide is the correct course of action. The double edged sword here is that the government has no recognized legal power to limit individual rights. They can set penalties to businesses, but the businesses are free to make their choice. Meaning businesses can and will wring you harder than the government might have. All "mandates" in Japan have been requests, anyways.

You may have seen in the news that the government told Japanese airlines to limit, and then stop, bookings from overseas, including to Japanese citizens trying to return for New Year's holiday. The airlines turned around and told them to get fucked.
Ironically, those laws were created by the American occupiers to prevent fascism returning to Japan. Same with the seperation of church and state and safeguarding of religious belief being stronger in Japan than in the U.S.
 
The Dr. McCullough interview should be shared far and wide. Although 3 hours long, you get a good perspective on things going on. Of course, if you share that on Facebook, it gets a "fact checked" sign slapped on.

Update on the Germany/State of Lower Saxony thing: When the court ruled the 2G-measures had to stop (those had kept unvaccinated people out of stores which do not serve daily needs), the state then ordered just one day later, everybody now has to wear FFP2-masks beginning tuesday. Before, a medical mask was sufficient. Now even in stores for the daily needs, FFP2 will be mandatory. Wonder if this will be enforced. source

It feels like being held captive in the reign of an abusive parent. They're not about to take a new direction, even if it's obviously becoming just a "pandemic of the common cold". They will shut down more hospitals and intensive care beds to keep up the narrative.

A data analyst showed, that they first paid hospitals 50.000 Euros per new intensive care bed. This ate up a couple hundred million Euro. Then a new rule applied, which paid a hospital a bonus when the intensive care capacity had reached 75%, so hospitals took their beds out of the system to get those bonuses. Nice move. So it is always ensured, the intensive care capacities are "full". It's all a big charade. source
 
So this morning that CDC bitch was saying (again) that vax/boosters make people less sick or even asymptomatic.

Is that what we really want? If you're asymptomatic you won't stay home, you'll spread it around right?

Oh wait, the messaging is that vaxxed don't spread the disease. Whew.

Nothing about this makes sense, just like the sportsballers getting it who are supposedly the most vaxxed people on the planet.

If people are still lining up to get their Nth shot at this point, they really should be culled because of their stupidity.

(Still haven't spoken much to the Punk Dude who went into the hospital after being vaxxed. He won't give me his poke card numbers. I sense a shit-ton of regret and because he knows me, he ain't saying shit 'cause I would mock him relentlessly: "Shoulda listened to the Very Stable Genius, dumbass!" - which is what he calls me to mock Trump.)
 
I mean, as I said somewhere else, the only thing different between 2016 and today is that we wear masks so we all look the same.
The same, just all bricks looks like all bricks in the wall of Pink Floyd.

Btw, I saw this interesting article.
December 19, 2021

COVID and the Catholic Church​

By Michael C. Hurley

I opened YouTube one morning recently, as usual, to hear another excellent homily by a hugely popular young Catholic priest from Canada. The title of this episode revealed that the latest COVID madness of requiring vaccine passports for attendance at Mass had just come to Quebec. And yet, as I heard the priest begin his rebuttal to this astonishing overreach, my heart sank.
This young priest made the grave error, as have nearly all of the clergy and Church hierarchy since the beginning of the pandemic, of first assuming that the spiritual mission and heavenly government of the Church must be accommodated to the shifting politics and priorities of the civil government. He proceeded to beg for relief from the new restrictions — not by questioning the authority of the government to impose such restrictions at all, but by noting how scrupulously the Church had thus far complied with other equally nonsensical mandates, such as occupancy limits, social distancing, masks, and obsessive-compulsive hand-sanitizing. But once you have accepted the authority of the State to tell you when and where to jump, your only recourse is to ask, "How high?" Predictably, the opinions of the clergy about how high is high enough will take a distant back seat to the agenda of Anthony Fauci and Justin Trudeau, et al.

Christ was completely radical by the standards of the current leadership of the Church. He said to Peter — three times for emphasis — "feed my sheep" (John 21:15-17). He did not say, "Feed my sheep, provided you can do so in complete safety and at no legal jeopardy to yourself, or otherwise forget it." Peter and the other apostles took these words to heart. They locked the door of the Upper Room where they were gathered after Christ's death precisely because they were violating the orders of the government. They were not allowed to gather there, or anywhere else for that matter, nor would Christians be allowed to gather for the better part of the next three centuries. When an angel appeared to break Peter out of the prison (Acts 12:1-19), where he had been sent for the crime of preaching the Gospel, Peter did not ask the angel to wait until he received his COVID pass from the government. If the Church fathers had adhered to the supine, permission-seeking philosophy of today's prelates and clergy, there would be no Church.
For generations, the clergy have preached to the faithful that their battle is not against flesh and blood (or viruses, for that matter), but against dark powers and principalities (Eph. 6:12), and that Satan prowls the world like a roaring lion, seeking to devour the souls of men (1 Pet. 5:8). Yet in looking at the Church's hapless response during the pandemic, one is left to wonder whether they ever really bought what they were selling or, if so, where they expected the battle to take place and the lion to show up. Could the Prince of Darkness have hoped for any greater victory than to enlist the pope, the bishops, and the clergy in a worldwide plan to bar the doors of the Church that Christ founded to conquer our fear of death over...wait for it...the fear of death?

Much ink has been wasted lamenting the hypocrisy and cowardice of bishops. It has been ever thus. The source of the idiom that "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and lighted by the skulls of bishops" may be lost to antiquity, but its currency stubbornly endures. It is time for individual parish priests to stand against the madness that so many bishops refuse to confront, and to do so at the risk of their own sinecures and freedom if necessary. Let a thousand parish priests stand in the doorways of the nation's churches, refusing to bar admission to anyone, and let Joe Biden remain silent while they are arrested and thrown in jail. Then two things will happen: Joe Biden's approval rating will sink even lower and faster than anyone thought humanly possible, and the coffers and pews of churches around the nation will swell to overflowing. Or let the nation's priests once again meekly obey their bishops to surrender to the government's campaign of fear and totalitarianism, and expect the Church to continue to wither as it has done.
Vows of obedience to bishops go only so far. No priest would hesitate to disobey an order from his bishop not to give Communion to certain ethnic groups. Yet with rare exception, priests complied with orders to close the churches. It appears they will do so again, now, with orders to require vaccine passports for attendance at Mass. Whatever the culpability of bishops for the current dumpster fire that is the Church's COVID policy, every parish priest will one day have to give account for the task assigned to him that was first spoken by Christ to Peter.
Adam tragically sought to blame Eve for his own moral agency. I don't fancy any better chances for the parish priest who plans to say, "My bishop made me do it."

And I wonder how much Pfizer payed for this study telling then Moderna cause more heart inflammation than their own vaccine?
Authored by Mimi Nguyen Ly via The Epoch Times,

A study published in the British Medical Journal late Thursday suggests Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine is up to four times more likely to cause heart inflammation—myocarditis or myopericarditis—than Pfizer-BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine.

“Vaccination with [Moderna’s vaccine] was associated with a significantly increased risk of myocarditis or myopericarditis in the Danish population,” and the rate was “threefold to fourfold higher” with the Moderna vaccine compared to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, authors said in the study, which spanned almost 85 percent of Danes, or 4.9 million people aged 12 and older.


The increased risk of myocarditis or myopericarditis with the Moderna vaccine was “primarily driven by an increased risk among individuals aged 12-39 years,” said the researchers, from Denmark’s Statens Serum Institute.

The population-based cohort study, published Dec. 16 in the British Medical Journal (the BMJ), also corroborated previous studies and reports such as those from Israel and the United States that say there is an increased risk of myocarditis or myopericarditis with taking the mRNA-based Moderna or Pfizer vaccines.

Absolute Number of Cases ‘Low,’ Most Were ‘Mild’​

Authors of the study wrote that the absolute rate of myocarditis or myopericarditis the mRNA-based vaccine “was low, even in younger age groups.

“The benefits of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination should be taken into account when interpreting these findings,” they added.
“Larger multinational studies are needed to further investigate the risks of myocarditis or myopericarditis after vaccination within smaller subgroups.”
In the study, researchers analyzed nationwide registers in Denmark that show the country’s population data on vaccination, hospital admissions, and results of laboratory assays of blood samples.

Within 28 days of vaccination, they found an absolute rate of myocarditis or myopericarditis for the Pfizer vaccine at 1.4 per 100,000 people (or about 1 case per 71,400), and for the Moderna vaccine at 4.2 per 100,000 people (or about 1 case per 23,800), according to the study results.

Most of the cases were “predominantly mild,” the authors wrote.

They noted that Pfizer’s vaccine “was only associated with a significantly increased risk among women,” which contrasts with results of studies from Israel and the United States. The discrepancy could be explained by the average age of the vaccinated population, the time span between the first and second shot, or because fewer Danes had tested positive for COVID-19, they said.

The authors also noted that the Pfizer vaccine was found “to be significantly associated with myocarditis or myopericarditis event when using a narrowed 14 day time window.”

In a statement, study author Anders Hviid said the findings of the study “do not generally overshadow the many benefits that come with being vaccinated.”

He added, “One must keep in mind that the alternative of getting an infection with COVID-19 probably also involves a risk of inflammation in the heart muscle.”

The researchers said they found both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were associated with around a 50 percent reduced risk of cardiac arrest or death compared with unvaccinated people.

The observational study cannot establish any causal relationships, and there may be some sources of bias, such as increased public awareness of potential side effects of the mRNA-based vaccines that may have affected the results, the authors said.

In the United States, vaccine manufacturers are immune from liability for any adverse reactions unless there’s “willful misconduct” involved.

Health care providers who administer COVID-19 vaccines are required by law to report any serious adverse effects or vaccination administration errors to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), hosted by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
 
I recently started to seeing an interesting trend, not sure if any of you spotted this yet.

Now when faced with irrefutable claims of "vax doesn't prevent covid, vax doesn't prevent death, vax doesn't prevent lockdowns in highly vaxed countries, you ll need QR code to live and endless boosters are coming" (basically everything was said by us before that Branch Covidians deemed false information and conspiracy theory), they respond with "well even if antivaxers were right doesn't mean they were right!! They were just guessing and it wasn't based in science! We only evolved to this through following science and now we know this!! So we still must not to listen to any conspiracy theorist and believe in science! "

Basically when they have to accept what have been told before, they rationalize it by saying it was just a wild guess so it can be dismissed as not real.

How can you bend yourself to this level of mental gymnastic?
How can i even respond to this, as i was left speechless the first time i heard it irl...
It's usually some variation of "it's a NEW VARIANT of a NOVEL VIRUS, you're mad at the government for the SITUATION CHANGING? You really don't understand that at THIS STAGE OF THE PANDEMIC?"

I've noticed these phrases popping up more often since a lot of people, including the traditional media so you know it was too blatant to ignore, started calling shenanigans on "no one said lockdowns would end/vaccines prevented transmission/etc." They couldn't outright gaslight people into falsifying their own memories, especially when there's proof of so many of these things being said in print and video, so now it's changed to of course they had to go back on their word and you're stupid for thinking the wouldn't.
 
Corona-chan didn't spared the current mayor of Montreal, Valerie Plante.

Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante announced Saturday afternoon that she has tested positive for COVID-19.

On Friday night, Plante said she took a COVID-19 test and was going into preventive isolation after a case was detected "in her entourage."

"Unfortunately, I received a positive result for a COVID-19 test," she wrote on her Twitter account in French, adding that she will still continue to work remotely, in isolation.

"The Omicron variant is very contagious," she said in her tweet, urging others to be cautious and respect public health rules. "We will cross this wave together."

Plante, who's doubly vaccinated, said in a press release that she's feeling very few symptoms related to the virus.

Provincial Transport Minister Chantal Rouleau and Finance Minister Eric Girard also made announcements Saturday via Twitter that they will get tested for COVID-19 and remain in isolation. Both say they were in contact with the mayor earlier this week.

In a tweet on Thursday, Quebec Education Minister Jean-François Roberge said that he has been told to isolate until Dec. 25, but has already been in preventive isolation since Monday.
 
A data analyst showed, that they first paid hospitals 50.000 Euros per new intensive care bed. This ate up a couple hundred million Euro. Then a new rule applied, which paid a hospital a bonus when the intensive care capacity had reached 75%, so hospitals took their beds out of the system to get those bonuses. Nice move. So it is always ensured, the intensive care capacities are "full". It's all a big charade. source
Yeah, that's Germany's answer to any problem: just throw money at it. Just doesn't work when the objective of the hospital is to get as much money out of it as possible, instead of, you know, doing what it's supposed to do, treating people.

Same thing with public transport:
Government wants everyone who can to work from home. The public transport company sees a drop in passengers. Good, so more distance is kept between passengers, just as intended, right? What does the transport company do? Puts in short trains: fewer carriages mean less maintenance and less cleanup, money saved! :story:
 
Yeah, that's Germany's answer to any problem: just throw money at it.
Did they learn nothing from Weimar inflation?
Same thing with public transport:
Government wants everyone who can to work from home. The public transport company sees a drop in passengers. Good, so more distance is kept between passengers, just as intended, right? What does the transport company do? Puts in short trains: fewer carriages mean less maintenance and less cleanup, money saved! :story:
German efficency, ladies and gentlemen.
 
Talk from UK gov is now for a "circuit breaker" before christmas.


Undefined restrictions (read "shut down everything and force people to stay apart at christmas") that may (read will) be brought this week, snatching the rug out from under everyone without justification, just because they can.
It's bizarre watching the reaction to Omicron Covid in Europe compared to here


“We're now in a completely different phase. Cases are not the issue and I know over a period of time we may become conditioned to the case numbers being the trigger. That's not the case.
“Science shows us that what matters is your public health system and your broader health resources.”
Mr Morrison then referred to the coronavirus experience in Victoria, where the state continues to record around 1,000 infections each day.
“The Victorian public hospital system and health system is coping very strongly,” he said.


Even Dan Andrews is refusing to impose any more restrictions in fact talk is that all restrictions will be lifted before the New Year. No more masks, vaxx passes or mandates.

I think it's partly economic, the labor shortage here is fucking ridiculous and productivity must be falling through the floor as it's become normalised to take sick days if you're 'feeling a bit tired' or 'I have a runny nose, probably hay fever but what if it's Covid? Can't take the chance so I need a couple of days off to get tested'. Restaurants can't open because they have no staff, hospitals are closing wards because nurses aren't showing up to work, the building industry is short tens of thousands of skilled trades.

But it's mainly Omicron being a total nothing burger with the hope that it will replace Delta. Case fatality rates are running about the same as before the mandated vaccinations in September and October. All the vaccines have done is buy a few weeks of lower case rates but it's obvious whatever immunity they give is rapidly running out. They want to encourage the spread of Omicron which is why they're dropping the remaining pandemic rules.

Of course all that could change rapidly but so far, and I never thought I'd ever say this, but so far our governments, Fed and States, are acting rationally. We still have the odd rabid Covidian who will appear in the media to call for shorter booster periods (apparently it's a big problem that most Australians were jabbed in the past few months and don't qualify) and tougher restrictions, but no one is listening to them any more. I'm hopeful, for the first time since all this kicked off I can see the finish line.
 
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