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Vajze Shqiptare said:
What I think is happening in Wuhan and why the people are dropping dead and the condition of these people is so severe compared to people in other parts of China and the world is that they are besieged by these infected patients with zero resources. Like, building two new hospitals, the nurses and doctors crying and screaming, corpses on the floor, the person having a seizure in what looks to be a hallway, waiting rooms filled with people and so on. They are not able to effectively qurantine the effected patients leading to all these people and the healthcare professionals being infected.

They lack professionals to care for the patients and the ones they do have losing their minds with stress, hysterically emotional and sleep deprived. They do not have enough or high-level enough protective clothing. They likely do not have anywhere sufficient access, if any at all, to Interferon, Remdesvir, the RSV and the HIV medications. They are likely lacking in medical equipment like nasal cannulas, oxygen masks, CPAP, ventilators, ECMO, steroids that reduce inflammation, and fever reduction medications. China has terrible air pollution and 26.6 percent of adults are smokers. This is why they are dying. I think if you contracted it in a first-world county you'd live.


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What a lot of people don't realize, especially during the black death, is that there were MANY factors at play which caused the mass deaths of MILLIONS of people. Some of which are extremely shitty living conditions. This is similar for deaths of ebola, SARS, H1N1 or Bird flu. Hell, Flu kills thousands of people per year.

If you live in a place where you don't have access to clean water, sanitary resting facilities, medical professionals capable of providing treatment to symptoms and proper nutrition, you will have your immune systems compromised and you will die.

The people who died in China most likely are in that situation and are unable to even survive the symptoms, most of which can be remedied by what the first world could easily offer.

So if you are in a sanitary location with adequate nutrition and care for symptoms similar to pneumonia, you will be fine.
 
Vajze Shqiptare said:
What I think is happening in Wuhan and why the people are dropping dead and the condition of these people is so severe compared to people in other parts of China and the world is that they are besieged by these infected patients with zero resources. Like, building two new hospitals, the nurses and doctors crying and screaming, corpses on the floor, the person having a seizure in what looks to be a hallway, waiting rooms filled with people and so on. They are not able to effectively qurantine the effected patients leading to all these people and the healthcare professionals being infected.

They lack professionals to care for the patients and the ones they do have losing their minds with stress, hysterically emotional and sleep deprived. They do not have enough or high-level enough protective clothing. They likely do not have anywhere sufficient access, if any at all, to Interferon, Remdesvir, the RSV and the HIV medications. They are likely lacking in medical equipment like nasal cannulas, oxygen masks, CPAP, ventilators, ECMO, steroids that reduce inflammation, and fever reduction medications. China has terrible air pollution and 26.6 percent of adults are smokers. This is why they are dying. I think if you contracted it in a first-world county you'd live.


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People keep throwing around that fatality rate without considering that the numbers are coming from China, since they're the only numbers we have. China, which suffers all that shit you mentioned and more.
 
Can we play Hong Kong Garden? Or is that better suited for the other thread?

This whole thing is scary. Has it spread to other Asian countries?
 
Vajze Shqiptare said:
This is why they are dying. I think if you contracted it in a first-world county you'd live.
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Duke-Diggler said:
So if you are in a sanitary location with adequate nutrition and care for symptoms similar to pneumonia, you will be fine.
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the video made by that wuhan citizen also indicates that the government were totally incompetent with their handling from the get-go and lied about the situation early on, not to mention that there's no way that the gov't could actually know the numbers considering the clearly high speed with which it's spreading. sanitation in china is not great but 11 million people packed like sardines in a concrete can is a tinderbox for disease. so either way if it's "just the flu bro lol" or not and you don't nip it in the bud, you're going to get rapid spread of infection.

jellycar said:
Disney shut down all their areas in China
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sauce?
 
Holy Jesus, 1200 posts in just 5 days. I haven't seen such activity in A&H since Brenton Tarrant. :stress:
However I'm still pretty optimistic. It's in virus' interest to stay as less lethal as possible in order to infect more people. If lethal mutation appears, it will kill hosts very quickly, thus preventing its own spreading.

Basically this whole situation reminds me the state of medicine in the end of XIX - first half of XX century. People were scared of common flu (yes, not the spanish one) as much as we are scared of the new coronavirus. In both cases people feel helpless because of lack of medicine, capable of defeating diseases. I don't know how things were in the U.S. or in the West in general at that time, but in russia old people were dying left and right from flu and pneumonia, and this was a norm.

It appears that this coronavirus is much less lethal than SARS. Even if the whole world gets infected, it won't change much. And sadly to some people it won't cause the end of human civilization and Apocalypse.
 
Autistic lurker said:
Holy Jesus, 1200 posts in just 5 days. I haven't seen such activity in A&H since Brenton Tarrant. :stress:
However I'm still pretty optimistic. It's in virus' interest to stay as less lethal as possible in order to infect more people. If lethal mutation appears, it will kill hosts very quickly, thus preventing its own spreading.

Basically this whole situation reminds me the state of medicine in the end of XIX - first half of XX century. People were scared of common flu (yes, not the spanish one) as much as we are scared of the new coronavirus. In both cases people feel helpless because of lack of medicine, capable of defeating diseases. I don't know how things were in the U.S. or in the West in general at that time, but in russia old people were dying left and right from flu and pneumonia, and this was a norm.

It appears that this coronavirus is much less lethal than SARS. Even if the whole world gets infected, it won't change much. And sadly to some people it won't cause the end of human civilization and Apocalypse.
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Honestly, if China would let on the severity of the situation, people, like myself, wouldn't be prepping for the worst.
 
Vajze Shqiptare said:
I was surprised they left the Hong Kong one open the past few days.
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HKDL is operated by a different company, which would be making its own choices. I don't know how much the virus has spread in HK but it has always had travel restrictions with the rest of China. I can understand why they took longer to pull the plug.

Its hard not to just give up and say that its all pointless, when it feels like it is. And yet... SARS was somewhat contained, despite being in similar circumstances (less infectious, probably?, but with 15 years worse tech and with presumably worse governance.)
 
It's probably pretty bad given https://archive.ph/mbHt4

and if the dead bodys video is legit, and they really are completely sealing off wuhan then the mortality rate is definitely higher than reported.

Also as metokur pointed out, looking at official numbers (obviously not legit), the death rate compared to total infected atm is about 3%, but if you only look at recoveries and deaths it's actually 53%

Also lets be real, you dont do a 180 from everything is fine to quarantining 16+major cities during the chinese equivalent of black friday without a good reason.
 
Autistic lurker said:
Holy Jesus, 1200 posts in just 5 days. I haven't seen such activity in A&H since Brenton Tarrant. :stress:
However I'm still pretty optimistic. It's in virus' interest to stay as less lethal as possible in order to infect more people. If lethal mutation appears, it will kill hosts very quickly, thus preventing its own spreading.

Basically this whole situation reminds me the state of medicine in the end of XIX - first half of XX century. People were scared of common flu (yes, not the spanish one) as much as we are scared of the new coronavirus. In both cases people feel helpless because of lack of medicine, capable of defeating diseases. I don't know how things were in the U.S. or in the West in general at that time, but in russia old people were dying left and right from flu and pneumonia, and this was a norm.

It appears that this coronavirus is much less lethal than SARS. Even if the whole world gets infected, it won't change much. And sadly to some people it won't cause the end of human civilization and Apocalypse.
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Coronaviruses are notoriously deadly and are usually pretty large in length so their chance of damaging cells when replicating is high. Also worth noting that being less lethal in early stages is not good (and seems to be the case with this virus already, starts out mild in all cases and often worsens) that's how you get things like HIV and flu. It's a sign of prolific viruses, because people don't go to the hospital and walk around while infecting others.

The article you posted is from the 21st. We knew nothing about the virus on the 21st and we honestly still know very little about it, other than that it's likely very transmissible. You should catch up w the thread at least from the past day, there's a ton of info archived here. China is almost certainly not giving correct numbers. Basing your understanding off of info confirmed only by China is naive.
 
Meanwhile, in India:


And not a single one died of dysentery. Like we said pages earlier, the pajeets will inherit the earth, their immune system is just too strong.
 
I do find the speculation about the idea that this could be a bioweapon that got lose funny, because if it is such then there's a rather large elephant in the room that hasn't been mentioned.

The Chinaman is at the forefront of genomic and geneering. He also has very little moral concerns about experimentation on humans. If the Chinese are developing a new bioweapon, it is almost certainly racially targeted, probably against Caucasians generally, though that could be something that hits everyone from South Asia to Eastern Europe. Or, I suppose, maybe it could be a way to mop up Africa.

While I'm impressed by the massive response of the PRC- clearly no Western government would quarantine off entire cities and provinces to restrict a virus like this, at least until it had massively spread elsewhere- there might be a very good reason for this. Perhaps they know it's relatively low risk to their own people, but will show itself to be a bioweapon if it spreads into the target populations? If it is, and if it doesn't spread out of control and get the job done, it could be embarrassing.

The fact that the Party is focusing on more full spectrum stuff, like using this as an excuse to crack down on the eating of bushment (and hopefully pigs and other dirty animals) and other traditional foods that Chinamen engage in and can't be rationally persuaded against does suggest otherwise. But who knows?
 
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