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Looks like Vitamin D is really, really important.


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Eighty one percent of patients had hypovitaminosis D. Based on vitamin D levels, the population was stratified into four groups: no hypovitaminosis D, insufficiency, moderate deficiency, and severe deficiency. No differences regarding demographic and clinical characteristics were found. A survival analysis highlighted that, after 10 days of hospitalization, severe vitamin D deficiency patients had a 50% mortality probability, while those with vitamin D ≥ 10 ng/mL had a 5% mortality risk (p = 0.019).

81% of the patients had hypovitaminosis D. The group with Severe vitamin D deficiency were 10x as likely to die as the ones who had normal vitamin D levels. That’s huge.

Guess what you’re not getting enough of if you’re locked inside your house? Sunlight. We all need to be taking our vitamins, staying healthy, getting exercise and sufficient (but not excessive) sun exposure. Seriously.
 
Looks like Vitamin D is really, really important.




81% of the patients had hypovitaminosis D. The group with Severe vitamin D deficiency were 10x as likely to die as the ones who had normal vitamin D levels. That’s huge.

Guess what you’re not getting enough of if you’re locked inside your house? Sunlight. We all need to be taking our vitamins, staying healthy, getting exercise and sufficient (but not excessive) sun exposure. Seriously.

The funny thing is that my family is mostly of northernish European roots, could generally burst into flame when exposed to direct sunlight, so we all take vitamin D. We also rarely get sick and none of us appear to have caught the Rona, or at least gotten symptoms. It's just a good idea in general.
 
Guess what you’re not getting enough of if you’re locked inside your house? Sunlight. We all need to be taking our vitamins, staying healthy, getting exercise and sufficient (but not excessive) sun exposure. Seriously.

Guess who else who doesn't get much sunlight? Nursing home patients! So if you're doing a retrospective study on this it's kinda moot.

But yes, we're focusing on reducing transmission instead of preventing poor outcomes from infection. I'd wish we'd bring the latter into it.
 
Guess who else who doesn't get much sunlight? Nursing home patients! So if you're doing a retrospective study on this it's kinda moot.

But yes, we're focusing on reducing transmission instead of preventing poor outcomes from infection. I'd wish we'd bring the latter into it.

I agree. Vitamin deficiency in first-world countries is more prevalent than people think. It’s like I’ve been saying. All this high-carb, high-fat, high salt snack food is full of macronutrients, but very little in the way of micronutrients. The lockdowns and the panicking are actually worsening nutrition. People become leery of fresh produce, when they should be getting servings of fresh vegetables. They reach for packaged foods. Canned food, instant noodles. Basically the opposite of what they should be eating. I’ve been thinking about ways to fortify the body against COVID-19, and as best as I can determine, Vitamin D and nitrate support (arginine, citrulline, cysteine, dietary nitrate, and so on) are crucial to reducing the severity of the disease. Salmon, spinach, turkey, chicken, watermelon, etc.

Check this out:


Vitamin D is known to elicit a vasoprotective effect, while vitamin D deficiency is a risk factor for endothelial dysfunction (ED). ED is characterized by reduced bioavailability of a potent endothelium-dependent vasodilator, nitric oxide (NO), and is an early event in the development of atherosclerosis. In endothelial cells, vitamin D regulates NO synthesis by mediating the activity of the endothelial NO synthase (eNOS). Under pathogenic conditions, the oxidative stress caused by excessive production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) facilitates NO degradation and suppresses NO synthesis, consequently reducing NO bioavailability. Vitamin D, however, counteracts the activity of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADPH) oxidase which produces ROS, and improves antioxidant capacity by enhancing the activity of antioxidative enzymes such as superoxide dismutase. In addition to ROS, proinflammatory mediators such as TNF-α and IL-6 are risk factors for ED, restraining NO and eNOS bioactivity and upregulating the expression of various atherosclerotic factors through the NF-κB pathway. These proinflammatory activities are inhibited by vitamin D by suppressing NF-κB signaling and production of proinflammatory cytokines. In this review, we discuss the diverse activities of vitamin D in regulating NO bioavailability and endothelial function.

Vitamin D helps prevent endothelial dysfunction by improving nitric oxide synthesis and reducing oxidative stress that would otherwise break down any nitric oxide that is formed. There appears to be a very specific biological function here where higher 25(OH)D levels can exhibit protective effects on the exact tissues that the virus attacks.


Martel and colleagues provide a thoughtful review on strategies to increase airway nitric oxide to treat and possibly prevent Covid-19 [1]. However, it is becoming apparent that the clinical presentation of Covid-19 begins with acute respiratory distress in the lungs that moves quickly to vascular networks throughout the gut, kidney, heart, and brain with associated platelet-endothelial dysfunction and abnormally rapid life-threatening blood clotting [2]. SARS-CoV-2 is emerging as a thrombotic and vascular disease targeting endothelial cells throughout the body and is particularly evident in patients with cardiometabolic comorbidities, in particular hypertension, with associated endothelial dysfunction [3].

A hallmark of endothelial dysfunction and thrombotic events is suppressed endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) with concomitant nitric oxide deficiency. In healthy vessels, the endothelium releases the vasodilator and antithrombotic factor, nitric oxide. Whereas in injured vessels, nitric oxide is impaired contributing to hypertension and thrombus formation [4].

Restoring nitric oxide, independent of eNOS, may counter endotheliitis and contribute to pulmonary vasodilation, antithrombotic, and direct antiviral activity [5]. As to the later, nitric oxide reportedly interferes with the interaction between coronavirus viral S-protein and its cognate host receptor, ACE-2. Nitric oxide-mediated S-nitrosylation of viral cysteine proteases and host serine protease, TMPRSS2, which are both critical in viral cellular entry, appear to be nitric oxide sensitive [[6], [7], [8], [9], [10]].

Based on a report of improved lung function during the 2003 SARS outbreak, FDA’s emergency expanded use of nitric oxide gas is now underway for treating Covid-19 [1]. Alternatively, dietary inorganic nitrate has been shown in multiple studies to be effective at restoring endothelial function, reducing pulmonary and arterial hypertension, and promoting antimicrobial activity [5]. It is well understood that dietary inorganic nitrates is bio-converted to nitric oxide through a series of well-defined steps beginning with the friendly microflora on the tongue reducing nitrate to nitrite, which is subsequently reduced to nitric oxide in the gut, blood stream, and various organs, including the lung. The formation of inorganic nitrite and S-nitrosothiols is absorbed into the circulation where it acts as a transitory storage pool for subsequent nitric oxide production [11]. The conversion of inorganic nitrite to nitric oxide is expedited in conditions of acidosis or hypoxemia which occurs in regions of the pulmonary vasculature in lungs of COPD patients and those that exhibit acute respiratory distress syndrome as observed in coronavirus infected lungs. Reportedly, consumption of inorganic nitrate for 8 days in COPD population increased lung nitric oxide by 200% and reduced respiratory symptoms [[12], [13]].

Restoring nitric oxide through dietary inorganic nitrate may be a consideration for prevention and early treatment which would operate at two-levels: reverse platelet-endothelial dysfunction and associated thrombosis as well as lower viral burden [1,5,11,14,15].

Nitric oxide does more than just improve endothelial health. It actually suppresses the ability of the spike protein of the virus to bind with ACE2. Restoring NO could attack the virus on multiple fronts; reducing endothelial dysfunction, reducing clotting, and also reducing the replication of the virus.
 
I agree. Vitamin deficiency in first-world countries is more prevalent than people think. It’s like I’ve been saying. All this high-carb, high-fat, high salt snack food is full of macronutrients, but very little in the way of micronutrients. The lockdowns and the panicking are actually worsening nutrition. People become leery of fresh produce, when they should be getting servings of fresh vegetables. They reach for packaged foods. Canned food, instant noodles. Basically the opposite of what they should be eating. I’ve been thinking about ways to fortify the body against COVID-19, and as best as I can determine, Vitamin D and nitrate support (arginine, citrulline, cysteine, dietary nitrate, and so on) are crucial to reducing the severity of the disease. Salmon, spinach, turkey, chicken, watermelon, etc.

Check this out:




Vitamin D helps prevent endothelial dysfunction by improving nitric oxide synthesis and reducing oxidative stress that would otherwise break down any nitric oxide that is formed. There appears to be a very specific biological function here where higher 25(OH)D levels can exhibit protective effects on the exact tissues that the virus attacks.




Nitric oxide does more than just improve endothelial health. It actually suppresses the ability of the spike protein of the virus to bind with ACE2. Restoring NO could attack the virus on multiple fronts; reducing endothelial dysfunction, reducing clotting, and also reducing the replication of the virus.
So what you're saying is we should all be huffing N2O while eating Vitamin D tablets like they're candy?
 
Couple of articles from Reason.







Added: comment from the above story - "It's pretty hard to maintain respect for the law when it is clear that none of the legislators and politicians do." Right on target.
 
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So what you're saying is we should all be huffing NO2 while eating Vitamin D tablets like they're candy?

Nitric oxide, or NO. NO2 is nitrogen dioxide, and it’s toxic. It’s found in vehicle exhaust.

NO is synthesized by your own cells, by nitric oxide synthase, using amino acid precursors. It actually has a very wide range of functions in the body.



NOS catalyzes the reaction:[2]
  • 2 L-arginine + 3 NADPH + 3 H+ + 4 O2
    \rightleftharpoons
    2 citrulline +2 nitric oxide + 4 H2O + 3 NADP+
NOS isoforms catalyze other leak and side reactions, such as superoxide production at the expense of NADPH. As such, this stoichiometry is not generally observed, and reflects the three electrons supplied per NO by NADPH.

COVID-19 promotes a boatload of oxidative stress and superoxide production at the expense of nitric oxide. This is one of the reasons why it’s so hard on blood vessels. The key is restoring the nitric oxide supply and tamping down on the oxidative stress with antioxidants. Arginine supplements are one thing that can be taken. Also, foods high in dietary nitrate are crucial.

As for Vitamin D, the recommended daily intake is about 600 IU for adults, but you can safely take up to 3000 IU, I’d say.
 
Guess who else who doesn't get much sunlight? Nursing home patients! So if you're doing a retrospective study on this it's kinda moot.

Yep, beat me to it.

The other factor is ability to synthesize Vitamin D decreases markedly with age. By the time you're seventy, you will make six or seven times less of the vitamin naturally compared to a twenty year-old if exposed to to the same strength of sunlight for the same period of time.

It's prettty much par for the course that the elderly have low D these days and sick, impaired elderly more so. Everyone after a certain age should be on supplementation wheher they go outside much or not.
 
So what you're saying is we should all be huffing N2O while eating Vitamin D tablets like they're candy?

Hell yeah it goes down well with a hydroxychloroquine chaser.

As for Vitamin D, the recommended daily intake is about 600 IU for adults, but you can safely take up to 3000 IU, I’d say.

Several of my colleagues (and me) have been taking 4000 IU/day.

I've posted about our little green pills for clinical vitamin D deficiency before and those are 50,000IU. Taking one of those daily would kill you eventually, yes.
 
Kriner's diner caved after the city started fining them $15k/day. The kikery wins in the end, what's it going to take to get our freedom back?

The shutdowns will continue indefinitely.
Ok, I'm not holding anything against them for caving, $15k/day would've bankrupted them sooner than later.

That said, the officials strong-arming a small business like that can go fuck themselves with a rusty fork.

I sincerely hope Kriner's can pull through this bullshit, and I won't shed a tear if those officials get kissed by Corona.
 
Hell yeah it goes down well with a hydroxychloroquine chaser.



Several of my colleagues (and me) have been taking 4000 IU/day.

I've posted about our little green pills for clinical vitamin D deficiency before and those are 50,000IU. Taking one of those daily would kill you eventually, yes.

Kill you? Really?
 
Kill you? Really?

If I recall correctly, you can safely take 4000-5000 IU/day pretty much forever. At 10,000 IU/day is when you start getting problems over the long term. It's like getting Vitamin A from retinal. Eat liver once a week and you're fine. Eat it every day and you risk retinal poisoning,
 
Kill you? Really?

Yeah, megadoses of vitamin D every day would cause hypercalcemia eventually. Whole lot of mechanisms from that could lead to death without hospital care.

Note though that I've never seen a patient get hypercalcemia from vitamin D supplements. It's extremely rare but idiots are out there.

(although this was a med error and it was 600,000 IU a day for THREE YEARS)
 

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An amazing story from New York. Dems in the NY state legislature disinvite Janice Dean of Fox News, who lost two in-laws due to the ChiCom Flu while in nursing homes, from testifying at a hearing regarding ChiCom Flu-related policies involving nursing home patients. Once again, Dems display their human-hating animus. They care only about political power. Sometimes makes a person think democracy has failed in our country.



 
don't forget what you don't hear. it's all about the infections now, because scary big numbers! but who when why? buried in the article if mentioned at all. and the most important statistic, who actually fucking died from it (and I don't mean a kid drowning while having the coof) isn't even reported anymore.

it's like tracking infection rate of the common cold, except no one would give a shit.
All i ever hear is cases this, cases that.
 
@eternal dog mongler I just had a bit of a eureka moment. Apocynin. It’s a powerful antioxidant.


NADPH oxidase is an enzyme that effectively reduces O2 to superoxide (O2–•), which can be used by the immune system to kill bacteria and fungi. Apocynin is an inhibitor of NADPH oxidase activity and thus is effective in preventing the production of the superoxide in human white blood cells or neutrophilic granulocytes. It does not however obstruct the phagocytic or other defense roles of granulocytes. Due to the selectivity of its inhibition, apocynin can be widely used as an inhibitor of NADPH oxidase without interfering in other aspects of the immune system.[citation needed]

Apocynin was used to determine whether ionic activation due to proton flux across the membrane of renal medulla cells was coupled to NADPH oxidase production of superoxide. Apocynin was introduced to the cells and completely blocked the production of superoxide, and was a key component in determining that the proton outflow was responsible for the activation of NADPH oxidase.[3]

The mechanism of action of apocynin is not understood. In the experimental studies, apocynin is shown to dimerize and form diapocynin.[4] Although, diapocynin seems to have beneficial effect in reducing reactive oxygen species and anti-inflammatory properties, it is still yet to be shown as biologically relevant molecule.[5] Biotransformation of apocynin predominantly leads to glycosylated form of apocynin. Another molecule that is shown to form under experimental conditions is nitroapocynin.[6]


Ischemia and reperfusion (IR) of isolated sheep lungs caused polymorphonuclear leukocyte (PMN) sequestration, pulmonary hypertension secondary to thromboxane (TX), edema, and increased vascular permeability.
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PMN depletion attenuated this injury, suggesting that PMN-derived O 2 radicals were involved.
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Apocynin (Apo) is a methoxy-substituted catechol that requires activation by myeloperoxidase to inhibit the reduced form of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADPH) oxidase and thus prevents O 2 − production from activated PMN leukocytes. To determine the effect of Apo in IR injury, we subjected 20 sheep lungs to 30 min of ischemia and 180 min of reperfusion with blood. We injected 3 mM, 0.3 mM, 0.03 mM Apo, or diluent (n = 5 each) into the pulmonary artery early in ischemia and the reservoir before reperfusion. Peak pulmonary artery pressure, peak perfusate TXB 2 concentration, and the reflection coefficient for albumin were measured ( Table 1) . The ability of Apo to inhibit in vitro O 2 − production from zymosan-activated sheep PMN leukocytes was also assessed (n = 3).

This study claims that Apocynin unfortunately has limited effectiveness at reducing NADPH oxidase activity in vascular endothelial cells, but that it may be a potent scavenger of free radicals anyway:



The high rate of thrombotic complications associated with COVID-19 seems likely to reflect viral infection of vascular endothelial cells, which express the ACE2 protein that enables SARS-CoV-2 to invade cells. Various proinflammatory stimuli can promote thrombosis by inducing luminal endothelial expression of tissue factor (TF), which interacts with circulating coagulation factor VII to trigger extrinsic coagulation. The signalling mechanism whereby these stimuli evoke TF expression entails activation of NADPH oxidase, upstream from activation of the NF-kappaB transcription factor that drives the induced transcription of the TF gene. When single-stranded RNA viruses are taken up into cellular endosomes, they stimulate endosomal formation and activation of NADPH oxidase complexes via RNA-responsive toll-like receptor 7. It is therefore proposed that SARS-CoV-2 infection of endothelial cells evokes the expression of TF which is contingent on endosomal NADPH oxidase activation. If this hypothesis is correct, hydroxychloroquine, spirulina (more specifically, its chromophore phycocyanobilin) and high-dose glycine may have practical potential for mitigating the elevated thrombotic risk associated with COVID-19.


The emerging new Coronaviridae member, nCoV 19, outbreak announced a pandemic by WHO with an increased morbidity and mortality rate worldwide. nCoV 19 known as the third highly pathogen coronavirus in the human population after the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), the nCoV 19. The renin-angiotensin (RAS) signaling pathway, oxidative stress and cell death, cytokines storm and endothelial dysfunction are four major pathways involved in the pathogenesis of nCoV 19. Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) generally develops with a massive oxidative/nitrosative stress following virus entry and RAS activation. The DNA damage subsequent to oxidative burst activates poly-ADP ribose polymerase-1 (PARP-1), viral macrodomain (NSP3) poly (ADP-ribose) glycohydrolase (PARG) and transient receptor potential channel, melastatin 2 (TRPM2) in a sequential manner ultimately leading to apoptosis and necrosis due to NAD and ATP depletion. Regarding the molecular mechanisms involved in nCoV 19 pathogenesis, angiotensin II receptor blockers and/or PARP, PARG and TRPM2 blockers could be engaged as therapeutic candidates for inhibition of RAS and quenching oxidative stress, respectively. In this review, the molecular aspects of nCoV 19 pathogenesis would be studied precisely and possible therapeutic targets would be proposed. It is recommended to evaluate the proposed drugs and supplements via registered clinical trials along with conventional guideline-based multi-drug regimen.

One could try and give a patient Sartans to try and block AT1 receptor activity and reduce some of the associated inflammation, but this could have unwanted effects (like increasing ACE2 expression, lowering blood pressure excessively, or turning hypokalemia into hyperkalemia). It may be better to selectively block certain features of the inflammation and cancel out the oxidative stress.

One strategy to preventing NADPH oxidase activity may be selectively blocking TNF-α:


TNF-α and IL-6 are major components of the inflammation of COVID-19, and TNF-α in particular triggers a lot of oxidative stress.
 
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