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Mulletmode said:
Wasn't there a study recently showing that the global lockdown barely made a dent in the CO2 emissions, proving that individual action won't do shit(in case you even believe CO2 is that big of an issue)?
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I can't find it. I can find a lot saying it did put a massive dent. But I do know how you could even prove not only it didn't but it misteriously increased it. That being starting at the point at which most countries locked. Why? Because that's also the point china reopened.

Fun fact. China's lockdown reduced global CO2 emissions by 25%. And that's monthly output, not counting only the days they stayed locked. And the they have the balls to tell us we need to keep adding restrictions on the west. I do take CO2 seriously. I know people researching for using bioengineered organisms to clean it. And the fact we're not calling the third world out for this shit makes me weep.
 
Meat shortages? Eat the bugs plant meat, bigot. With all the shortages, companies that make this stuff are claiming sales are up despite the fact that there's always a surplus of vegan food after grocery store raids.

www.cnbc.com

Cramer says the plant-based meat 'movement is happening' and investors better 'get on the bus'

"This is not blockbuster drug, but watch this trend. I think it's very exciting for investors," CNBC's Jim Cramer said Wednesday.
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“I think there are people who are getting appalled by what’s happened at the meat packers. ... I think these stories make you become not necessarily vegetarian but to think twice about beef,” Cramer said. “If you think twice about beef and then you try to Beyond, you kind of realize it’s very, very similar.”

While plant-based meat options have typically been more expensive than traditional meat, Cramer said the rising costs of beef, in particular, due to the coronavirus represents an opportunity for alternative producers.
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Plant based meat companies are claiming demand is soaring:
thehill.com

Demand for plant-based meat alternatives soars amid coronavirus

Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods, makers of plant-based meat alternatives, have seen surges in sales due to a shortage of beef and pork during the coronavirus pandemic.
thehill.com thehill.com

www.businessinsider.com

As the US meat supply chain crumbles under pandemic pressure, Impossible and plant-based protein companies are rushing to fill the void

Impossible Foods announced it would sell its plant-based "beef" at over 1700 Kroger stores nationwide, and the timing couldn't be more perfect.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
EmuWarsVeteran said:
I can't find it. I can find a lot saying it did put a massive dent. But I do know how you could even prove not only it didn't but it misteriously increased it. That being starting at the point at which most countries locked. Why? Because that's also the point china reopened.

Fun fact. China's lockdown reduced global CO2 emissions by 25%. And that's monthly output, not counting only the days they stayed locked. And the they have the balls to tell us we need to keep adding restrictions on the west. I do take CO2 seriously. I know people researching for using bioengineered organisms to clean it. And the fact we're not calling the third world out for this shit makes me weep.
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It might've just been some article, I'll try finding it. The Chinese and Indians also dump absurd amounts of biohazardous waste everywhere, which I think everyone can agree(except maybe the CCP) is nasty, but there is no way of measuring that. That probably got even worse during this crisis
 
CIA Nigger said:
Meat shortages? Eat the bugs plant meat, bigot. With all the shortages, companies that make this stuff are claiming sales are up despite the fact that there's always a surplus of vegan food after grocery store raids.

www.cnbc.com

Cramer says the plant-based meat 'movement is happening' and investors better 'get on the bus'

"This is not blockbuster drug, but watch this trend. I think it's very exciting for investors," CNBC's Jim Cramer said Wednesday.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com


Plant based meat companies are claiming demand is soaring:
thehill.com

Demand for plant-based meat alternatives soars amid coronavirus

Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods, makers of plant-based meat alternatives, have seen surges in sales due to a shortage of beef and pork during the coronavirus pandemic.
thehill.com thehill.com

www.businessinsider.com

As the US meat supply chain crumbles under pandemic pressure, Impossible and plant-based protein companies are rushing to fill the void

Impossible Foods announced it would sell its plant-based "beef" at over 1700 Kroger stores nationwide, and the timing couldn't be more perfect.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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Honestly, I think both things are true: sales are growing faster than ever, and there's still piles of it on shelves. If you normally sell 4 packages of vegan beef patties a week and increase to 6, that's a 50% increase. I didn't read all the links there, but one number I see is Beyond Meat: a 141% increase, which sounds impressive in a vacuum, but when you add the "from $40 million to $97 million", it's a lot less impressive. As a point of comparison, Tyson Foods did $10.8 billion in sales last fiscal quarter.
 
EmuWarsVeteran said:
Academic economists over here are practically screaming random models at each other and none seem to work. Thinking you can even make a solid prediction is an act of negligence at best and malice at worst.
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Sure, same here. Several forecasts that don't agree with each other and not much data to go on so far (say, unlike the US where there's supposedly 20-30 million people who lost their jobs, unemployment stats have changed very little here, but upcoming months are expected to be much worse as businesses are forced to make difficult deciscions or simply fall over and die).

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In other news, I didn't bother with daily updates lately because testing during the long weekend was sketchy and it honestly seems pointless to post what is basically the same thing over and over. We're hovering at 300 or so new cases daily. It should have been much lower because almost everyone got their shit together except for the occasional hospital or nursing home spread, but the huge outbreak among Silesian miners has contributed over a thousand new cases in a week and is now threatening the entire effort. Fortunately miners aren't exactly the traveling type, so maybe we can keep this localized.

The good news is that we're finally seeing days with more recoveries than new infections. Three such days in fact, most notably today with a decrease of 66 active cases.

@Otterly I remember my promise, unfortunately there's still no specific info available. The company responsible for developing the test had only applied for a patent yesterday, so I imagine they're not spilling the beans until that's granted... if at all.
 
6MillionBicycles said:
Fear is what the news likes best.
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And just think, any future pandemic may very well be handled with the same shitshow circus as this one. Let's say sometime after coronapanic is over, there's a "cow flu" that comes out of China next. The world would likely go right back to "social distancing", everyone in masks, economic shutdown, sappy propaganda commercials, "shelter in place", panic buying (especially of toilet paper), fearmongering media, and so on.

(I'm getting really tired of this shit.)
 
So Uk deaths reached an official 30k but everyone knows it’s much higher than that - the figure I hear is closer to 40, without even taking into account all of the unclassified excess deaths and assuming the pandemic began in Feb/March (which maybe is late.)?

Assuming an 0,4% mortality, which I think is reasonable to higher side, that would indicate 10 million infections (?)
Now that’s interesting because the infections seem to perhaps have peaked in April anyway and 10 million is far short of what you expect for something passing through the whole country if it was so infectious and everyone was immune naive. So... are we looking at a smaller proportion of people being susceptible to this in the first place? A degree of existing immunity? Or lower spread and/or patchier spread than first thought? We still don’t have solid data on how this has unfolded. A small tweak in any of the parameters could be the difference between this being a one and done with just small recurrences or something that’s nowhere near done with us yet.

The carbon data is all here: doubt this is in any way an unbiased source, mind.
 
Slap47 said:
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This is why economic libertarianism is a meme.
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um what ever happened to just communicating with your landlord, and you know making a payment arrangment? not all landlords are heartless whoremongers, my current literally are letting those who got laid off because of the wu flu pay what they can and that's anywhere between 25 to 50 percent of the rent.
 
Interesting article re China's many ChiCom Flu lies.




Added: Texas judge acts like he's a member of the CCP, fucks over a person just trying to feed her kids.




Here's the GoFundMe. Looks like she should be just fine. Might be worth a few bucks to show this fucking bastard of a judge he can't act like a member of the CCP. Planning to donate later.


Uh-oh, CCP fuck. The governor and Attorney General of Texas are coming out on the side of your victim. Bet she's out of jail REAL soon now.


 
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Apropos of bugger all, I've just realised I've been misunderstanding the term CFR .

Apparently Case Fatality Rate is defined as the number of confirmed deaths from the disease divided by the number of confirmed cases.
That's it. The hard data.

If you want to speculate about mild and asympomatic cases etc , there is something called IFR - Infection Fatality Rate , which guesses at (Total deaths from the disease / Total infections) to account for the undiagnosed deaths and recoveries. This is what I was thinking of as the true CFR, because I was ignorant. I think this is the more interesting number, but it obviously involves estimation.

And there's also mortality rate, which is just deaths/total population .


Wiki on CFR and IFR

The more you know ....
 
Sekirodiealot said:
How do you guys feel about people that think this would last until 2022?
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I know I'm late but I think COVID will inevitably become a perennial visitor much like the flu or common cold. Every year as Autumn rolls in, we'll see cases of it spike for a short while. Likely people will become complacent just as they already have in terms of the flu. I'm not one of those 'JUST A FLU BRO' people but influenza is no slouch when it comes to fatalities either, yet people don't have paroxysms of fear over influenza every year. That is, unless it somehow fades into the night much like SARS did. I somewhat doubt that hypothesis but it is possible. At this point almost anything is possible, nobody really knows what to expect and that's why you see all of the wildly varying responses to it.
 
Michigan, USA

The Republican-controlled legislature has filed a 166-page lawsuit (~60 pages of the body, ~100 of exhibits, etc.) against Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D), in the State of Michigan Court of Claims, a court which has previously ruled in Governor Whitmer's favor in a similar lawsuit by private citizens (archive).
[ETA: the old lawsuit wasn't really similar. The private citizens were arguing that the stay-at-home order infringed their constitutional rights. The legislature's lawsuit hinges on the interpretation of the laws giving Governor Whitmer emergency authority in the first place.]
Previously the legislature had said the lawsuit would likely not be filed until sometime next week.
At the moment, the legislature is not calling for civil disobedience. Speaker of the House Lee Chatfield (R -Levering) said,
Lee Chatfield said:
“I think (people) should continue to speak with their local officials and I think they should exercise their best reason and judgment (on whether to follow these orders). I am not encouraging any civil disobedience or mass chaos, at this point, in our state.”
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www.mlive.com

5 reasons Michigan lawmakers are suing Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

Relaxing constitutional protections leads to “mischief,” the lawsuit says.
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(archive)
[ETA: Full PDF online.]

Ford has begun delivering ventilators.
www.detroitnews.com

Ford delivers first shipment of power air-purifying respirators to Seattle hospital

Ford Motor Co. continues to produce medical supplies during COVID-19 pandemic, even as automaker prepares to restart production in the coming weeks.
www.detroitnews.com www.detroitnews.com
(archive)

Analysis of who is still working in Detroit. Roughly 25% of the city is still employed. About 66% of those are women.
www.detroitnews.com

1 in 4 Detroit workers fight on front lines against COVID-19

Front-line workers, such as janitors, grocery workers and bus drivers, said they feel taken for granted compared to health workers
www.detroitnews.com www.detroitnews.com
(archive)

Karl Manke, a barber in Owosso (small town between Lansing and Flint) reopens shop, despite Governor's orders and a citation by local police. Customers come from all over state. Karl Manke, 77, says he will keep working until "Jesus walks in or until they arrest me." He says he was denied unemployment three times and couldn't stay closed any longer. He has been wearing a mask during haircuts and disinfecting his tools.
Mlive - archive
Detroit Free Press - archive

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15 May 1, maybe? (archive) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive).
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is not recommending that people disobey Governor Whitmer's executive orders. The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). Mr. Shirkey is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected by May 27th. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the November ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF.

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Lawsuits against the shutdown order are multiplying (archive, archive). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive). Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) have closed all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which were also obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). They are still making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and production of ventilators, etc. has begun (archive- GM's ventilators, April 17. archive - Ford's ventilators, May 6) Ford is preparing to reopen (archive - April 26).

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Over 1 million unemployment claims filed = 10% of the total population of the state, nearly 25% of the workforce (Archive - April 16).
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Car crashes are down, fatal car crashes are down, and overall death is actually down. (archive - April 12)

FREE STUFF!
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
Elective surgeries are banned. Maybe? Who knows. If/when in effect, abortions were not included in the ban (thread).
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Local police in the rural north and in Detroit suburbs have alike stated they will not be enforcing parts of the order (archive).

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

MDHHS said:
Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.
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Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

30,976 confirmed / 3,409 dead
30,702 confirmed / 3,364 dead yesterday
(i.e. 45 new deaths, down 39 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

14,078 confirmed / 841 dead
13,695 confirmed / 815 dead yesterday
(i.e. 26 new deaths, up 7 from this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

45,054 confirmed / 4,250 dead
44,397 confirmed / 4,179 dead yesterday
(i.e. 71 new deaths, down 32 from this day last week)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 16.
We have been (were?) locked down since: March 24 (until April 30?),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
89*** / 40 / 133*** / 29 / 51^ / 35*** / 45 = 417***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 40, 75, and 8 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
^Software problems caused a delayed count on this day.
One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store (archive, A&N thread).
 
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JosephStalin said:
Added: Texas judge acts like he's a member of the CCP, fucks over a person just trying to feed her kids.




Here's the GoFundMe. Looks like she should be just fine. Might be worth a few bucks to show this fucking bastard of a judge he can't act like a member of the CCP. Planning to donate later.

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The AG of Texas has called for her to be released.
 
Otterly said:
The carbon data is all here: doubt this is in any way an unbiased source, mind.
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So Europe merely has to plunge itself into a deep recession to affect global emissions by less than 1%? Sounds good, let's do that more often.
 
Minor LA Update:
Grandpa's nursing home has climbed from 2 to 20 30 cases over the last week (out of about 200 patients). Nobody has died and they've shuffled positive patients to one wing, while moving the infected ones to a different wing and putting up plastic curtains and assigning different staff to each wing. A frustration for my family is that tests are being conducted by individual medical providers, so Kaiser tested all their patients a week ago, while the VA tested last week, and Kaiser will test again next week. Results take several days to come back. This creates a problem because we can't get a baseline count to tell if the virus is spreading or being contained. Weird stuff. Grandpa's mad because they moved him to a different room and no one will plug in his bed lamp so he can't read at night. Apparently there's some union issue and only electricians can plug in lamps or something... 🙄 A weird nuance of the nursing home problem is that Grandpa's on Medicare, and if we pull him out, the nursing home will have to pay Medicare back - and also he'll loose his room, and it was a long, drawn out waiting list process, to get him into a half-way-decent institution. My family is also worried that if we pull him, and he gets sick with them, they won't be able to care for him and will have to send him back.

Outside of the nursing home, we're supposed to re-open stuff on Friday and supposedly begin to move to the governor's "Stage 2". As far as I can gather, this means more stores may offer curbside pickup, but they're not implementing any of the other things that are supposed to be part of Stage 2 such as restaurants, schools, or shopping malls. 🐭

Other rumors around town are that catering orders are up for Mothers' Day and the flower warehouses are sold out and limiting orders to florists, so that's nice.

Oh, and the Mad Max reenactors cancelled their apocalypse event in September. Guess they couldn't take the real thing.
 
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