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I haven't heard of any besides those. Just watch out for obviously sick people in public, step up the hygeine, remove shoes and change clothes when coming home.

lmao imagine treating taking off your shoes in your house as an extra precaution against the death flu as opposed to a completely normal thing you do all the time. Americans are fucking vile. The only people I have ever known that wear shoes indoors are Americans. No other country does this.
 
Asia / the South Pacific absolutely hates doctors.

In the West, we don't see them until we're at an advanced stage with the disease that's going to kill us. In the East, except Japan, they just fucking kill the doctors, modern medicine does not fit with their culture.

Worst example of this principle is Cambodia. The Khmer Rouge decided all knowledge taught in French is evil. They burned all French medical textbooks, reverted back to textbooks from 1911 that included standard practices like trephony and phrenology. They made existing doctors re-learn the Cambodian textbooks, murdered all the doctors who could not absorb all the material and un-learn the other stuff within 3 months.

When they killed the doctors, it mostly happened in re-education camps. They would be strung up at the ankles and wrists, at an angle between two trees. Medical "students" would be forced to do live dissections, upright on a human hammock while that person's guts spilled out all over the ground. This was actually part of the curriculum, Cambodian doctors had a dual-role as healer and propaganda mouthpiece. They would need to pick up those organs and tell witnesses where the fault lied with the patient.

The United Nations is just finishing up with Khmer Rouge war crime trials. Very interesting reading to those who think the Left are just a bunch of murderers in waiting. This article is a TL;DR - look for the UN site for the gory details in the transcripts.


Just to be clear, China is no different. They use sinoized versions of Western Textbooks that make constant references to party leaders. The books may be modern, the practices are not. Medical students routinely dissect live prisoners to build clinical detachment.
So Cambodia killed doctors that don't practice voodoo magic? What the absolute fuck?
At least the stupidfuck commies altered ancient text to exclude everything that makes absolutely zero sense, and doctors in China practice westernised medicine while the TCM rubbish is more about health... Don't get me wrong, it's stupid and what works are nothing but probability related. There's 10 million autistic TCM remedies, and maybe 0.01% of them actually get it right, that's what the silly commies kept.

"Compendium of Materia Medica" which is basically the Bible of CTM has been altered again and again. It's not even funny anymore. Not sure about medical books, but math text books are definitely somewhat sinoised. I might be able to find older textbooks. I should find some insanity in it to share when I get the chance. There's lots of them.

I recall the text books referenced some Chinese calculated Pi accurately and came up with the Pythagoras theorem while that's not the case. Pi was first calculated accurately by Archimedes, and we all know who came up with PYTHAGORAS theorem. I looked it up on Chinanet where their shitty wikipedia alternative references the two correctly. I guess the book referenced the first Chinese to come up with these shit? It's not implausible that multiple people came up with something in total isolation, but false narratives are stupid. To this day, especially in the field of optimisation, formulas that are attributed to say A were found out to be untrue, it's just that B stated the formula earlier, but both A and B studied it in complete isolation. There's also methods that were called retarded by peer reviwers, only to later obtaining validation from mathematics giants that call these reviews retards. Hope this makes sense.

Here's an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidon–Fletcher–Powell_formula
Davidon came up with it, reviews didn't care, Fletcher and Powell called it a miracle. Without getting too autistic with math, this method shines because it avoids computing the inverse of a matrix while also converging very quickly, which is never a fun thing to do. The most basic "Simplex Algorithm" requires inverting matrices. Think about escaping Wuhan, one can walk from there to say Shanghai, risk getting bit by zombies or captured and shoved into a cubical, one can also eat medicine to suppress the fever and take a plane. Former is like inverting a stupid matrix.

As for why China hate doctors, it's because of these, in my opinion:
- Too few doctors per 10,000 people
- Culture of mistrust and lacking of human decency
Each doctor on average needs to deal with 1000 patients, whereas it's like 100 in the west. This makes it impossible for doctors to adequately care for each patient. This causes people to give out "red pockets" to doctors wishing them to take more care.
If the doctor refuses to take it, patient's families will be worried. They won't see the doctor as an individual of integrity, they will see him or her as the problem.
If the doctor takes it, it's of course illegal, and the families of course expect the best outcome. Medical accidents and natural causes are out of the equation.
On average, doctors in China also deal with far more nuisance patients and far more depressing tragedies compared to ours. This does make some abusive and unsympathetic, further fuelling the problem.
Each time some crazed relatives of patients kill a doctor, it's met with utter condemnation and disgust online, but so what? At the end of the day, nothing is fixed.
Dealing with more patients also increases the chance of getting some nasty fuckwit astronomically. There have been patients with the virus abusing doctors. Ideally I'd like to see these patients thrown into an oven, but this isn't minecraft.
Then there's families of patients who will bring coffins into hospitals when deaths occur.
China banned giving teachers red pockets a long time ago, what do teachers now receive? Plane tickets to travel abroad, expensive make up and electronics... welcome to China. "Fixing" a problem doesn't fix it. We call this bribery, but Chinese call it culture.
It's impossible to just abra kadabra more doctors into existence, 1.4 billion is too many. I'm not sure how doctors are treated in India, hopefully better.

Shit like this is just way too common. They won't accept reality. They think the doctor killed the patient while most of the time, it's the severity of the illness.
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Burning paper money and putting these wreaths up is a way to pay condolences to the deceased. They choose to do it at the hospital. At least it's better than the recent stabbings of doctors, before the virus blew up.

I've never met someone who unironically does not believe in modern medicine in China. It's always the delusion of "Chinese medicine for health, western medicine for sickness", which I guess is better than voodoo doctors, but still a waste of money. Chinese get so emotional when the lies of CTM are brought up "but acupuncture, but [insert confirmation bias source here], but [once upon a time... useless story here]". It's like attacking their child. CTM is like the Keto diet, a massive manufactured industry with big dollars circulating.

Never heard about live dissecting in the modern day from sources other than Falungong which no one should trust. Harvesting the organs of shot criminals is believable though.
 
Do you know what I hate more than epidemics? Journos.


Without even fact-checking, they've already posted the message by our local disease control and testing centre, where they report a single case of coronavirus. WHICH IS NOT THE nCoV-2019 AND THEY ACTUALLY RESPONDED IN COMMENTS CONFIRMING THAT.

YET FUCKING JOURNOS ARE WILLING TO EARN SOME CLICKS ON HEADLINE THAT MAY GET HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS INTO PANIC MODE.
 
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Can't see how any mainland Chinese can be "Japophobic" after this. Japan is treating Chinese with the virus better than how Chinese in different cities have been treating themselves. Of course, this might be fake news?

So this is taken from an interview with China's "Feng Huang [phoenix] Tai", one of the many Chinese outlets.
Japan listed 2019-nCov as "government verified virus". Japan's foreign minister states that they are happy to assist China to the fullest in combating the disease. Japan reserves the rights to forcibly contain patients until they fully recover; this is according to the "ministry of health, labour and welfare". According to Japans "Infectious Disease Law" the medical bills will be paid by the state, targeting th Japanese, and such that "foreigner's medical bills should be covered by the Japanese Government, no matter the kind of visa".

Surprising. If I was them or even if I was to run a city in China, I would have barred the place so no one can get in, and any escapee will be either sent back or confined and monitored like a sick animal.

I do see people talking about China's capability to erect a fully featured hospitals within a week. Yes this would be the best response, contrast it to how Mao treated the peasants during the "Great" Larp Backward Forward and other massive famines, totally because of natural disasters, having nothing to do with failed policies, land seizures, and the delusional ideology of communism.
Watch peasants eat trees while his cabinet of cronies execute his older allies.
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My main problem would be how the hospital is going to be used after the virus is suppressed. During some of the other virus outbreaks in China, China was able to build massive facilities in just a week (people worked all day and all night, they deserve far more credit than the CCP) to house patients. The facilities were then swiftly abandoned after the virus has been combated, now which nature reclaims.
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This is a facility that's 25000 square metres, now abandoned. It was built to combat SARS, another bat-related virus.
I guess it's easier to build stuff and not bother taking it down, but surely China doesn't have land at their disposal. China might seem like a big country, but similar to Australia, they have massive uninhabitable deserts. There's definitely better methods that doesn't involve abandoning the place after its duties fulfilled.

Using it as any ordinary hospital might be counterproductive as well, there was no shortage in hospitals until this virus came around. However, I firmly believe that one more hospital is better than one less hospital. I'd like to see whatever they built being properly used even after the virus.

I also don't see why their state will lie about numbers and stuff. If anything, this case can reinforce Chinese citizen's trust in the CCP, so the CCP should do their best in combating the virus and being as transparent as possible. It's not some little protest or inconvenient history shit, actual lives are on the line here. Censorship in such cases will backfire, now everyone's fucking home on their silly little social media accounts, all the deleted news and posts by Sino Weibo has been archived and shared in various chatgroups, image boards (yes... China does have image boards and it's as autistic as you can imagine), forums, the logistics involved in censorship in this current day makes the act itself look stupid. CCTV even allowed commenting on their videos where people want Hubei's Governor's head on a stick for being a lying sack of shit, this is a first in a long while. Usually comments are turned off. That said, Weibo being bashed for censoring stuff is glorious. While Weibo does abide by Chinese law and no one there should expect privacy whatsoever, they are ultimately still a company. Social media platforms being blasted for censorship is good for everyone.


This short article is somewhat sceptical about the origin of the virus. It's said that 41 patients were analysed, and the earliest reported case was on the first of December, the patient didn't go anywhere near that seafood market. 13 out of 41 patients have never been to the market. Daniel Lucey claims that if these figures are accurate, then the earliest cases definitely happened in November, if not even earlier than that. So the virus might have originated from elsewhere, infiltrated and contaminated the seafood market, and exploded there. Kristian Andersan has been trying to find the origin of the virus and claims the very first case likely spawned on the first of October. One of the contributors to the essay posted on "The Lancet", Bin Cao claims that Huanan Seafood Market isn't the only origin of the virus, but they don't know where else it could have came from.

This sounds plausible. Chinese munching on weird shit in celebration of their national day combined with the absolute spaydos that ran the government of Hubei, celebrating CNY while the entire province is becoming a cadaverous wasteland. The virus spawned elsewhere and migrated into some putrid shithole market that sell bats and rats, where it contaminated these easy hosts, that ultimately went into the mouths of unsavoury slants who were exercising their God's given right to consume anything that's fucking sentient, which further catapulted the virus into existence, affecting innocent people as well.

Basically the virus originated from place unknown, went into a shithole market where disgusting wild creatures are being feasted on, then exploded.
Here's the full article: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext
Gonna read it to see if the snippet above misrepresented anything.

They also talk about clean cooking in China, which IMO should bring up a 404 notice, we can hope though. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(19)30542-X/fulltext
If China ever wants to become a "developed" nation such as their neighbours Japan and Korea, fixing these shithole markets and educating the gullible fucktards on health is a great start. Simply having tier 1 and tier 2 cities as developed doesn't make the entire country developed. I know Chinese who eat walnuts to up their IQ because walnuts look like a human brain, and TCM states that "one should eat what they lack 缺什麼補什麼". I guess that's why they need to up their IQ. Why not just pull a Reza Aslon and eat actual human brains, all cultures are beautiful right? Eating cow dicks to increase the size of that tiny Asian penis? exceptional, unironically gay.

I endorse all bat-related memes and the shaming of people who would eat these things.

To the Hubei politicians who are about to lose their jobs: Learn how to code
Lol they can say shit about Japan but we ain’t having none of that shit. Japan’s population is old as fuck man.
 
The worst aspect of the new hospital is that they could have just commandeered a hotel or sports stadium, and be in business right now. Who knows how many people are going to die while they are waiting for the new facilities.
Silly capitalist pigdog, the point is to look good, not do good. This is the same organization that has killed more of its own people, in peacetime, than any war in the history of humankind. What's a few more peasants atop a stack already 70 million high?
 
just commandeered a hotel or sports stadium, and be in business right now.
People were breaking pavements, blocking roads and burning buildings' entrances when the HK government tried to commandeer an empty estate for a limited time in a neighborhood for medical staffs and non-symptom-showing suspects who have had contacts with a confirmed case.
And it all happened yesterday.

Do you think people won't murder others if this happens in China?
 
Can you imagine person from India bathing in that "holy" river of theirs? The entire nation would drop dead in a couple of weeks!
The fact they haven't died from their already shit-diseased waters yet is nothing short of a miracle. But something tells me this won't happen unless they turn out to be more incompetent than China has been.
 
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Turns out school still has make up exams, would've like to know that before I got on the bus...
But now I'm home and ready for updates
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Slowly but surely, the virus grows
 
This photo was taken in Irvine, near the UC Irvine campus.

The first positive case you heard about yesterday was from Irvine. It was a student who just returned from China, she was in Wuhan. I don't have her name, but there's a rumor she was on Twitter talking about her escape and making other people sick. Jokingly. And now she has it.
I honestly can’t understand how people can see America as this evil colonialist white supremacist superpower and then seriously think the world would be a better place if countries like China or Russia were leading things instead. It seems to me that a lot of sick Chinese people have been covering up their symptoms so they can get on a plane and go to the West for better medical treatment. While I understand why they’re doing this, the fact that they’re bragging about it and not taking any sort of precautions to not infect others is next level fucked up. That guy with Ebola who flew to the US knowing he was infected was bad, but at least he didn’t brag about it and didn’t go out in public. I’d say the only difference between these Chinese people and black people is their skin color, but at least the black person who did the same thing with Ebola didn’t brag about sneaking in.
 
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