World’s biggest driverless car experiment goes haywire - Dunce's Cones for these cars!

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Long at the bleeding edge of culture and technology, San Francisco this month became the testbed for one of the world’s most radical trials of driverless taxis.

Regulators voted to let autonomous cars from two companies – Cruise and Waymo – circle the city’s streets, picking up passengers and charging them for trips at any time of day and night.

Unlike many previous similar experiments, the vehicles would not require safety drivers, with only software and sensors preventing passengers from getting into accidents. These were driverless cars in the truest sense.

Robot cars would share San Francisco’s hilly roads with its 150-year-old cable car system, picking up those who had snagged a spot on Cruise and Waymo’s waitlists. It felt like a taste of the future, especially in a city that is notoriously averse to bold policymaking.

But less than two weeks later, that experiment seems to be unravelling. In the days since driverless cars were given the keys to the city, a string of embarrassing incidents – from traffic jams to crashes – have threatened to set the driverless revolution back years.

Over the weekend, San Francisco’s Department of Motor Vehicles demanded that Cruise, a subsidiary of General Motors, reduce its fleet by 50pc after a crash with a fire engine. The decision took around 150 cars off the road. However, some want to go further: now, local politicians are seeking the reversal of the experiment before it had truly got going.

Driverless car companies and the technology’s supporters claim that autonomous vehicles will be safer than having people behind the wheel. They say the cars do not speed, do not drive drunk or get tired, and statistically will get into fewer scrapes than their human counterparts.

Cruise has been testing driverless cars on San Francisco’s streets since 2015, a year before GM paid a reported $600m (£471m) for the company. It was granted permission to conduct limited tests without a safety driver in 2020 and started charging passengers last year.

The cars, modified white Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles with cutesy names such as Poppy, Crepe and Scampi, were at first a curiosity and then became just a part of the city’s fabric, only noticed by the odd motorist frustrated at their cautious approach to junctions. Waymo, a subsidiary of Google’s parent Alphabet, started ferrying passengers in 2021.

Yet what was a minor quirk observed only occasionally on the roads has been significantly expanded. On August 10, Californian regulators gave Waymo and Cruise permission to operate paid rides throughout the city, at any time of day.

The vote was controversial. San Francisco officials said they had logged around 600 incidents such as illegal manoeuvres or unexpected stops in the last year. In dozens of cases, passengers had been stuck inside vehicles when a car malfunctioned and stopped without an explanation, having to be physically rescued.

Jeanine Nicholson, the chief of the city’s fire department, said firefighters had had to repeatedly waste time dealing with the cars, including one case in which a car with no driver had inched towards a blaze, unable to be stopped until one firefighter smashed its window. “It is not our job to babysit their vehicles,” she said.

A group of anti-driverless car activists also took to placing cones on the cars’ bonnets to disable them in an extended protest dubbed the “week of cone”. The shapes confused the vehicle’s sensors, shutting them down as a result.

Nonetheless, Waymo and Cruise secured victory. After billions of dollars in investment in driverless technology over the last decade, the decision seemed to offer the companies a path to commercial success.

Yet it took just hours for things to start going wrong. California’s Public Utilities Commission approved the 24/7 service late on a Thursday. The following evening, around 10 Cruise cars caused traffic chaos when they appeared to stall around junctions in a busy part of the city.

The company initially suggested that overburdened mobile networks related to a nearby music festival had interfered with the cars. Later, Cruise blamed the incident on a single pedestrian interfering with one vehicle.

The next week, one of the company’s cars became stuck after driving into wet cement, apparently ignoring the cones marking the area off. It was forced to pay for the road to be repaved after the vehicle was recovered.

And just the following day, a Cruise vehicle collided with a fire engine responding to an emergency, after failing to recognise its sirens and stop in time. The passenger was taken to hospital by paramedics with injuries that were described as non-serious, but it meant the company had disrupted two emergency services with one incident.

Greg Dietrerich, Cruise’s general manager for San Francisco, said the crash was a unique case with “several factors that added complexity”. But the string of incidents so soon after driverless cars had been given such freedom was unfortunate at best.

Over the weekend, California’s Department of Motor Vehicles demanded that the company halve its fleet of up to 300 driverless cars in San Francisco and said that it is investigating the situation.

Phil Koopman, an autonomous vehicle safety expert at Carnegie Mellon, says Cruise should have voluntarily paused operations before regulators forced action.

“Cruise could have been seen to do the right thing if they really care about safety. They didn’t, and the DMV had to come down on them.

“Driving into concrete is not the end of the world. And people do it all the time. But if your narrative is that we’ll be perfect and humans are terrible, you just eviscerated your narrative.”

Waymo, which has fewer cars on the road, has not faced the same intense scrutiny as Cruise, although its cars have also been recorded interfering with emergency services. In June, one of its driverless cars hit and killed a dog that had run into the road, with the vehicle unable to avoid contact.

One driverless car executive says the spate of incidents shows that the cars are simply not ready to function on their own.

“They’re doing many of the right things with good-quality science. And they are driving a lot of simulation and testing and simulation, all of which is necessary. The thing is, it’s just not enough.

“The design of the systems and the amount of testing that goes on, and the degree to which they’re being supervised is all falling short of where it should be. And as a result, we are unnecessarily putting the public at risk, really, in these trials they are effectively human guinea pigs.”

A Cruise spokesman said the company still compared favourably to human drivers.

The company said: “Over 100 people lose their lives every day on American roadways, and countless others are badly injured. We believe it’s clear that Cruise positively impacts overall road safety, and look forward to working with the CA DMV to make any improvements and provide any data they need to reinforce the safety and efficiency of our fleet.”

However, it faces growing opposition. Last week, San Francisco’s city attorney David Chiu launched a legal battle seeking to block Waymo and Cruise’s permits, while local politician Aaron Peskin said he planned to appeal them.

Driverless car advocates may insist the technology is safe. But they might lose their best chance to prove it.

(Link: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news...&cvid=dc876001c7bc4ff08528475a465a6f36&ei=101)

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How many of those accidents are cars slipping on a poo?

Say what you will, San Fran is a good testing ground for the Indian market.
 
In summary the cars struggle due to changes in the environment and run into issues when not dealing with a generally empty, emergency vehicle lacking road.
 
Jeanine Nicholson, the chief of the city’s fire department, said firefighters had had to repeatedly waste time dealing with the cars, including one case in which a car with no driver had inched towards a blaze, unable to be stopped until one firefighter smashed its window. “It is not our job to babysit their vehicles,” she said.
I really want to see footage of that.
 
'Frisco decides to just allow something that is still in it's infancy and hasn't been shown to truly work correctly just because #rightsideofhistory as always.
The company initially suggested that overburdened mobile networks related to a nearby music festival had interfered with the cars. Later, Cruise blamed the incident on a single pedestrian interfering with one vehicle.
This sounds like a pretty big fucking flaw with the idea that it's so easy to disrupt the signals that go to these machines and even cause them to malfunction intentionally. Imagine if it was raining how much more disrupted it would get.
 
Not the biggest 'experiment' that's been going on.
Robotaxis being used for ‘no boundaries’ sex in San Francisco: ‘The windshield was fogged over’ (Archive)
Customers of a San Francisco robotaxi service have lately been using the driverless cars to have sex while they travel to their destinations, according to a report.

Several clients of the Cruise robotaxi startup told the San Francisco Standard that they have had several sexual experiences while hitching a ride in the tech company’s autonomous vehicles that have grown increasingly popular in the City by the Bay.

“It was really funny because [the Cruise] got quite hot and fogged up to the point that the windshield was completely fogged over — in any other context, in any other vehicle, that would be an actual problem,” a Cruise rider, Alex, told the Standard.

Alex, a man in his 30s, told the publication that he estimates he has performed at least six separate sex acts spread out over the course of three different rides in a Cruise car.

He said the romps ranged from make-out sessions to “full-on [sex], no-boundaries activities.”

“I mean, there’s no one to tell you, ‘You can’t do that,’” he told the Standard.

“It gets to the point where you’re more and more and more comfortable, and if you’re with someone, like a more serious partner, it can escalate to other activities.”

Alex added: “It seems like I’m a trailblazer.”

“It’s also fun to realize that this is like the first place you can do this in the country — the first [autonomous vehicles] that exist,” he said.

“We’re working hard to make sure our service is safe, clean, and open to everyone, and riders agree to do their part when they sign up to use our service,” a spokesperson for Cruise told The Post.

“Our Community Rules and Terms of Service detail what’s prohibited while on a trip and we will take appropriate action against anyone who violates those guidelines.”

A source with knowledge of how Cruise rides operate told The Post that the company activates a camera only in cases of mishaps involving safety, vehicle maintenance, and support purposes.

Riders are notified in advance if the company needs to activate in-vehicle cameras.

The Standard also quoted Alex’s partner, Megan, a woman in her 20s, who described her first experience in which her robotaxi ride escalated into something more.

“We got in and just got straight to it, making out,” said Megan, who got into the Cruise car wearing nothing but a robe.

“One thing led to another, and he made sure that I was taken care of, if you will,” she told the Standard.

“I was like, ‘I have no underwear on, and I am ready to go in this kimono,'” she said.

“And I was using his slippers that were like five sizes too big.”

The Standard reported that at least four people who have used Cruise self-driving taxis in recent months have engaged in sexual behavior during their rides.

The publication did not quote anyone who did the same while using Cruise’s rival, the Alphabet-owned startup Waymo.

The Post has sought comment from both Cruise and Waymo.

California regulators last week gave the green light to allow Waymo and General Motors subsidiary Cruise to deploy more autonomous taxis throughout San Francisco and to charge riders at all times — a major win for the self-driving industry as it looks to take on rideshare giants Uber and Lyft.

The California Public Utilities Commission on Thursday sided with the companies in the face of vigorous opposition from some residents and city agencies.

Commissioners heard more than six hours of public comment from residents and special interest groups supporting or opposing the measure that would expand paid autonomous vehicle service.

Cruise and Waymo now have permission to begin citywide paid taxi service at all hours of the day and have said they plan to deploy more cars as a result.

They collectively have more than 500 autonomous vehicles already in operation.

Cruise and Waymo have been running experimental services limited by times and geographic areas within San Francisco.

Neither indicated on Thursday how soon they may move to make round-the-clock taxi service a reality, but they promised to do so soon in promotional emails after the vote.

The move is a critical step forward in regulating the robot cars, which Waymo, Cruise and others have been systematically rolling out in cities and states around the nation.
Imagine the smell.
 
Seriously? Was that all it took to render these things inoperable?
A fucking traffic cone?
The bugman fears the Day of The Cone!

The way they describe these things fucking up... It's as if they're mindless retard babies and humans have to constantly watch out for them so that they do not fall off cliffs or drive headfirst into a fire.
Who thought this was a good idea lmao!
If you get into one of these cars, you are dicing with the devil. Make no mistake, these things will never be flawless.

Kind of reminds me of a reoccuring dream I had in my youth, where I'd be in the back of the car and suddenly there's no driver in the front seat. I don't know how relevant that is, just it gives me the same vibe.
 
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It occurs to me that these things drive using AI.
It also occurs to me that the AI was probably developed in the SF area, using SF data.
It follows that the AI is doing exactly what it was instructed to: Distill the Bay Area taxi experience down to it's fundamentals, then give that to a bunch of robots. Who are now driving like total fucking retards.

Don't call it a malfunction. The system is operating perfectly.

If you want a non-retard system, I suggest you limit the learning data to non-immigrant white guys over 35.
 
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This reminds me of the Segway inventor who quite literally segwayed off the cliff to his death.

And then I'm reminded of Liz Carmichael who managed to defraud investors with his idea for a new car of the future. (The Unsolved Mysteries segment on it is pretty great)
 
Brand new tech (at least at levels and complexities seen today) and what is the first thing we want to do with it? Strap it to a motor and wheels and let it drive around at high speed. -_-
 
In dozens of cases, passengers had been stuck inside vehicles when a car malfunctioned and stopped without an explanation, having to be physically rescued.

Jeanine Nicholson, the chief of the city’s fire department, said firefighters had had to repeatedly waste time dealing with the cars, including one case in which a car with no driver had inched towards a blaze, unable to be stopped until one firefighter smashed its window.
I'm amazed no one has died yet. How the fuck did these get out of the door without a big red "emergency exit" button for the passengers? What kind of nigger designed this system?
 
I've seen how shit the Chinese are. Are you sure they are self-driving?
I believe that's where most companies send their cars for machine learning. I remember a video compilation of the dashcam of several self-driving cars ignoring traffic lights, running over people on the crosswalks then continuing its journey like if nothing happened.
 
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