Disaster World temperature heading towards 3C - The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Thread theme.
BBC Coverage|Archive of BBC Coverage

Please read the full article at either of the above links.

It's the final call, say scientists, the most extensive warning yet on the risks of rising global temperatures.
Their dramatic report on keeping that rise under 1.5 degrees C says the world is now completely off track, heading instead towards 3C.
Keeping to the preferred target of 1.5C above pre-industrial levels will mean "rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society".
It will be hugely expensive - but the window of opportunity remains open.
After three years of research and a week of haggling between scientists and government officials at a meeting in South Korea, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued a special report on the impact of global warming of 1.5C.
 
Wind farms kill a shit ton of birds exceptional enough to fly near them, which explains why a lot are endangered.
I don't think a prairie chicken can fly high enough to hit the blades on even an old-timey windmill. Conservation groups and the DNR don't want what's left of their habitat disturbed by building wind farms. I can't really blame them, but I it annoys me that some of the same groups will say "lets turn AZ into a solar farm."
 
You could probably use a lightweight carbon fiber shaft and a bevel gear system to connect a wind turbine in the air to a generator on the ground. Then there's no magnet in the air to mess with migrating birds, and it should make maintenance a bit easier (maintenance being the actual problem with wind farms.)
 
Any solution that is just more interference to try and bandage up the problem without fixing the root cause is just going to cause more problems. It's feel good bullshit pushed by people too spineless to go after China and India.
And by "go after", I assume you mean "kill them all"? Because let me tell you what the environmental impact of the nuclear fallout would look like...
 
A bit related, and a bit off topic, but I wasn't s if it deserved a thread, or if to put it in the clickbait thread:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/10/1...lippines-revs-up-flagging-green-energy-engine

Going geothermal: Philippines revs up flagging green energy engine
Cecil Morella, Agence France-Presse
Posted at Oct 10 2018 01:03 PM


20181010_geo.jpg

New geothermal exploration efforts are underway in the Philippines, a nation that has some of the world's largest untapped sources of volcanic heat. Noel Celis, AFP
Deep below the ancient volcanoes scattered around the Philippines sits a simmering stockpile of intense heat that officials hope will help revive the nation's sputtering green energy machine.

The Philippines -- thanks to its spot in the Ring of Fire zone of Pacific volcanoes -- has long been one of the world's top producers of geothermal power, but years of neglect have sent the industry sliding.


Now a surge of new exploration efforts are underway in a nation that has some of the world's largest untapped sources of volcanic heat, but which relies on coal for half its electricity.

"It's an exciting development," Enrique Nunez, the country director for Conservation International, told AFP. "In an environment where coal is king, this is good stuff."

One of the nation's freshly upgraded plants, Maibarara, puffs out white steam from shining metal stacks on a jungle-covered hillside about an hour south of Manila.

High-temperature water vapor from the Earth's red-hot underbelly is piped to the surface where it makes power-producing turbines spin.

"There is no smoke," said facility manager Paul Elmer Morala. "Only a bit of noise, but our neighbors don't complain."

The Philippines was for years the world's number two, behind the United States, in drilling deep to tap the scorching hot steam.

But as the nation's economy has boomed in recent decades, it has opted to feed its needs with cheaper and quicker-to-develop plants that burn fossil fuels.

The amount of its power from geothermal sources has stayed relatively constant since 2002, while coal and gas-powered production has nearly tripled.

Early in 2018 the Philippines lost its number two geothermal status, which it had held for over two decades, when Indonesia finished its massive Sarulla project.

That demotion was years in the making for a country which had an initial rush of geothermal exploration in the 1970s and 1980s in response to the world's first global oil crisis.

Decades of neglect followed until a growing global commitment to slow climate change led to the Philippines passing a law a decade ago to spur renewable energy investments.

- 'Geothermal is risky' -

The Philippine government launched in June a string of new exploration surveys, which comes on top of the roughly 10 contracts the nation has signed in recent years with power companies to drill exploratory wells.

"Of course the target is to increase the existing capacity," Ariel Fronda, head of the renewables division of the Philippine energy ministry told AFP.

"There is a high degree of interest in renewables in general... Energy has suddenly become an attractive business," he added.

The Philippines' seven geothermal fields now supply about 12 percent of the nation's energy, with a long-term plan to nearly double capacity by 2040.

The Philippines has the fifth-largest geothermal reserves, behind only the United States, Indonesia, Japan and Kenya.

Though nominally free, finding the resource is an expensive enterprise, with exploration wells costing up to $8 million each with no guarantee of success.

"Geothermal is that risky," said Fronda, with the government requiring at least two wells per private exploration project in order to more accurately estimate the yield of a site.

The effort to stoke up the nation's geothermal engine largely pre-dates the arrival of President Rodrigo Duterte.

However, last year he created an energy investment council that can greenlight major new projects in 30 days. A geothermal exploration effort is among the four initiatives it has approved.

Though the Philippines has tumbled, it still can be an important player in geothermal, said David Livingston, a renewable energy expert with the US-based Atlantic Council think-tank.

"The Philippines can serve as a catalyst for other developing nations' interest in geothermal, particularly if its newest... programs prove successful," he added.

http://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/the-philippines-seeking-to-rev-up-geothermal-development-again/

The Philippines seeking to rev up geothermal development again
Makban_plant_Philippines-1024x768.jpg


Makban geothermal power plant, Philippines (source: ThinkGeoEnergy, creative commons)
10 Oct 2018
The Philippines are looking at revamping geothermal development again, following its drop behind Indonesia in global rankings of geothermal countries earlier this year.


During the economic growth times of the Philippines in recent years, the country focused on feeding increasing energy demand with cheaper and quicker-to-develop plants burning fossil fuels. This resulted in a lack of interest in further developing geothermal based on the resources the country is blessed with.

Earlier this year, the Philippines lost number two status of countries with geothermal power generation capacity to Indonesia. So despite the initial rush of the 1970s and 1980s, there has been a neglect of this great energy source for the country.

In June this year the country launched a new string of exploration surveys, which is an addition to roughly 10 contracts with power companies on geothermal exploration.

“Of course the target is to increase the existing capacity,” Ariel Fronda, head of the renewables division of the Philippine energy ministry told AFP.

“There is a high degree of interest in renewables in general… Energy has suddenly become an attractive business,” he added.

The Philippines’ seven geothermal fields now supply about 12 percent of the nation’s energy, with a long-term plan to nearly double capacity by 2040.

The Philippines has the fifth-largest geothermal reserves, behind only the United States, Indonesia, Japan and Kenya.

Though nominally free, finding the resource is an expensive enterprise, with exploration wells costing up to $8 million each with no guarantee of success.

“Geothermal is that risky,” said Fronda, with the government requiring at least two wells per private exploration project in order to more accurately estimate the yield of a site.

The government requires each mining project, the construction of two wells in order to more accurately estimate the reserves of the site.

If the Philippines fell for a place in the world rankings, they remain one of the major players in the sector of geothermal energy, says David Livingston, an expert in renewable energy within the think-tank the Atlantic Council.

“The Philippines can play a role of catalyst to spark interest in geothermal energy, other developing Nations, especially if its more recent projects are successful”, he said.

For now, the main news related to the Philippines come from the privately-owned Energy Development Corp. (EDC), a geothermal giant in the Philippines that is now increasingly looking at geothermal investment opportunities outside of the country, e.g. in Chile and Peru, as well as Indonesia and beyond.
 
Doesn't really matter though. The people who control all the oil companies are also the leaders of the modern eugenics movement. This was always the plan. 99% of humanity is going to bite it and, "We are the 99%"
Sucks to be you, normie.

And by "go after", I assume you mean "kill them all"? Because let me tell you what the environmental impact of the nuclear fallout would look like...
Well it would certainly counteract any warming trend.
 
I for one welcome the glorious cyberpunk future where we all need to wear gasmasks, Krieg style!

Let the Industry flow! Toll the Great Bell and praise the God of All Machines!

DarkHeresy_ShrineWorld_MarkMolnar.jpg


But yeah, I'm sure by the time this becomes a problem, we'll just be able to build a giant machine to take care of it. Maybe absorb the extra heat to power our forges! Or giant solar panels in space! Or a giant polar Ice fortress that cools the surface and keeps the Earth's core hot, keeping our magnetic field great!

Even if we won't be able to ever breach the light barrier, cybernetics could make sublight colonisation much easier! All hail Robo Nixon!
 
For the past 18 years the world temperature has been headed toward the exact same temperature as the year before. Some fucking global warming.

But don't let actual data and facts get in the way of hand wringing and virtue signalling.

Not only is AGW seeming increasingly wrong, but regular old global warming isn't even happening anymore. And hasn't been for the last 18 years. Weird, because from the media I'd have thought we were up a few degrees each year. And every time there's an unseasonably warm day, everyone starts talking about global warming again.

It's stupid that this is political at all. For all the talk about global warming, what actual policy has changed? You'd think all these various politicians who are very concerned about it would have passed some laws or something. Instead all we have is the paris accord, which was not a US policy, and it was never real to begin with.
 
It's stupid that this is political at all. For all the talk about global warming, what actual policy has changed? You'd think all these various politicians who are very concerned about it would have passed some laws or something. Instead all we have is the paris accord, which was not a US policy, and it was never real to begin with

Remember when the Democrats held the House, the Senate, and the Executive, and instead of pushing through the planet-saving climate change regulations they say we need they instead forced through Obamacare? Why would anyone need insurance if the planet is fucked?

I'm not a climate change "denier." But that was more telling than anything else could be that the Democrats either know they're lying about the vital importance of government "doing something" or that climate change is merely a political pawn for them.
 
And while the world blames the USA and screeches at Trump, India and China have shit up half the globe with pollution to an extent greater than the US ever has.

But hey.... #FUCKTRUMP #REJOINPARISCLIMATE amirite?
this problem literally cannot be solved without forcing china and india to comply at gunpoint. 60% of plastics dumped in the ocean are coming from india.

any environmental policy we try to adopt will just be nullified by chinese and indian recklessness. there may even be wars over this issue.

Remember when the Democrats held the House, the Senate, and the Executive, and instead of pushing through the planet-saving climate change regulations they say we need they instead forced through Obamacare? Why would anyone need insurance if the planet is fucked?
problem is, none of their proposed 'solutions' will actually solve the problem. you would need to fundamentally restructure the way our whole society functions.

the fact that large metropolitan cities even exist is a huge problem, but forget about ever getting all those democrat voters to give up their lifestyle. it is imperative that we cram millions of people into a tiny land area because reasons. just pass some carbon taxes and continue as normal, that will fix everything.
 
It was honestly a huge miscalculation on the part of the Democrats and virtue signalling liberals to turn global warming into a stick against "da stoopid cons". It turned the whole debate into a circus. More importantly though, it also dehumanized in their mind the people who would be effected by a sudden reduction in the use of coal and oil. At no point in the debate over the need to reduce the carbon footprint did the Democrats stop to consider the people who would be hurt by the change. They wanted to pass all these regulations banning entire industries that employs tens of thousands of people directly and hundreds of thousands indirectly (like the Diner waitress in a coal town). But not one cent was allocated in these "plans" for dealing with the aftermath, like retraining the workers to do something else. Its not surprising people in those areas turned militantly against the idea, especially considering what NAFTA and globalization did to these same regions. Fool me once...

And its just gotten worse from there, becoming a cultural issue. I am sure people would love if a full sized pickup truck got 50 miles to the gallon like a Prius. Who doesn't want to save money? Unfortunately the mess has gotten so caught up in the culture wars that nobody sees the need for improving Pickup and SUV mileage beyond what is already federally mandated and using it as a selling point. Paying extra for such things has become a political virtue signal for liberals, meaning the opposite (driving the most polluting rolling coal monster truck imaginable) has become a virtue signal for conservatives. The problem goes right down to the average person and it is impossible to separate it at this point.
 
this problem literally cannot be solved without forcing china and india to comply at gunpoint. 60% of plastics dumped in the ocean are coming from india.

any environmental policy we try to adopt will just be nullified by chinese and indian recklessness. there may even be wars over this issue.

Right? But it's much more virtuous and laudable to paint global warming as a morality issue centered around you being a shitty person for not carpooling or taking a bus, using plastic straws and not spending an hour a day dismantling your trash so you can get every scrap of plastic into the recycle bin.

Nothing reeks worse of smug social media narcissism than that thinly disguised gatekeeping.

Asian and Middle Eastern countries literally dump EVERYTHING into the rivers, streams and oceans, from raw sewage to untreated processing chemicals, and I'm an asshole because I refuse to switch to a paper straw?
 
It was honestly a huge miscalculation on the part of the Democrats and virtue signalling liberals to turn global warming into a stick against "da stoopid cons". It turned the whole debate into a circus. More importantly though, it also dehumanized in their mind the people who would be effected by a sudden reduction in the use of coal and oil. At no point in the debate over the need to reduce the carbon footprint did the Democrats stop to consider the people who would be hurt by the change. They wanted to pass all these regulations banning entire industries that employs tens of thousands of people directly and hundreds of thousands indirectly (like the Diner waitress in a coal town). But not one cent was allocated in these "plans" for dealing with the aftermath, like retraining the workers to do something else. Its not surprising people in those areas turned militantly against the idea, especially considering what NAFTA and globalization did to these same regions. Fool me once...

And its just gotten worse from there, becoming a cultural issue. I am sure people would love if a full sized pickup truck got 50 miles to the gallon like a Prius. Who doesn't want to save money? Unfortunately the mess has gotten so caught up in the culture wars that nobody sees the need for improving Pickup and SUV mileage beyond what is already federally mandated and using it as a selling point. Paying extra for such things has become a political virtue signal for liberals, meaning the opposite (driving the most polluting rolling coal monster truck imaginable) has become a virtue signal for conservatives. The problem goes right down to the average person and it is impossible to separate it at this point.

Global warming/climate change was naturally going to be a partisan issue since "the answer" (or the only one anyone seems to have) is centralized government regulatory action. Which, as I see it, means the burden was on the Democrats to make damn sure an issue this important never became a partisan one.

They failed miserably. But having watched their behavior for the last few years, I guess that was a foregone conclusion.
 
And its just gotten worse from there, becoming a cultural issue. I am sure people would love if a full sized pickup truck got 50 miles to the gallon like a Prius. Who doesn't want to save money? Unfortunately the mess has gotten so caught up in the culture wars that nobody sees the need for improving Pickup and SUV mileage beyond what is already federally mandated and using it as a selling point.

Some do see the need, but there are engineering limitations that have to be overcome, and some designs simply cannot be optimized without some material or technology that either does not exist or is too expensive to justify. You can pour money into the research all day, but if the means ain't there, it ain't there; and if you can't sell what you develop, then you're taking a complete loss.
 
this problem literally cannot be solved without forcing china and india to comply at gunpoint. 60% of plastics dumped in the ocean are coming from india.

any environmental policy we try to adopt will just be nullified by chinese and indian recklessness. there may even be wars over this issue.


problem is, none of their proposed 'solutions' will actually solve the problem. you would need to fundamentally restructure the way our whole society functions.

the fact that large metropolitan cities even exist is a huge problem, but forget about ever getting all those democrat voters to give up their lifestyle. it is imperative that we cram millions of people into a tiny land area because reasons. just pass some carbon taxes and continue as normal, that will fix everything.

Well, luckily, there's no evidence this activity is going to have any impact whatsoever on the average global temperature. In fact, after years and years and years and years of gathering data and trying so hard to interpret it to show global warming is totally happening... they can't. People have been frantically trying to prove this for over 20 years, and despite their repeated proclamations that they're totally right, they've made 0 correct predictions, they've produced no actual data, and they've made sure to ruin the reputation of anyone who disagrees with their theory.

Unfortunately, due to the politicization of the issue, there's so much misinformation on both sides of the debate. Pro-AGW people keep insisting that their theory is already proven and has made successful predictions, but that's simply not true.

Anti-AGW people say stupid shit like "It's so egocentric to think humans could have an impact on earth's climate". We've believed humans can impact earth's climate at least since the development of nuclear weapons (nuclear winter anyone?).

Science shouldn't have hardcore believers and disbelievers. Science is about testing, finding out, trying to disprove, over and over until you just can't disprove it and it keeps making successful predictions. Even then, it can be proven false at any point by just one data point. Nothing is sacred in science. There shouldn't be a term "Climate change deniers" any more than there should be a term "String theory deniers". It's not proven, and criticizing flaws in the science doesn't deny the underlying theory.

Like I keep saying AGW is NOT disproven. It could be true, or at least some version of it could be true. But it's the responsibility of the people proposing a theory to prove it, not for everyone else to prove a negative.

Anyway, there are more pressing issues to do with pollution/resources that are known and real. Smog is terrible for you. Plastic in the ocean isn't good for anyone. Oil/coal won't last forever. Instead of wasting energy fighting a stupid battle over a scientific theory completely mired in politics, why don't we agree that nobody should have to breathe unhealthy air, or drink unhealthy water.

Of course, I'm pretty sure the political part of the AGW debate is what most people are interested in. It's about being smarter than those other dummies, not about fixing anything.
 
Anyway, there are more pressing issues to do with pollution/resources that are known and real. Smog is terrible for you. Plastic in the ocean isn't good for anyone. Oil/coal won't last forever. Instead of wasting energy fighting a stupid battle over a scientific theory completely mired in politics, why don't we agree that nobody should have to breathe unhealthy air, or drink unhealthy water.
But then we can't force the public to accept the answer we manufactured for them.

If they can't push carbon credits then how can they shift money to the third world from the first. How can they force the shift to approved technologies. Approved manufacturers. Approved solutions.

The dirty little secret here is that the "green" energy solutions always have a natural gas pipe involved. They are dependent on gas backups and peakers to make it work. That's why you see Exxon-Mobil, and T Boone Pickens, and the Russians pushing it so hard. The oil guys. They know the greater adoption means the greater dependence society has on them.

Electricity used to be a balance of coal, hydro, nuclear, and gas/oil. Not anymore. Not with the new promised "green" energy future. Now, the oil industry has got entire electric grids by the balls. Just like they do with transportation, manufacturing, and agriculture. So, good job diversifying energy y'all. Another decade or two and we will have Standard Oil back. But this time covering the entire energy sector rather than just one part of it.
 
Back
Top Bottom