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It's the final call, say scientists, the most extensive warning yet on the risks of rising global temperatures.
Their dramatic report on keeping that rise under 1.5 degrees C says the world is now completely off track, heading instead towards 3C.
Keeping to the preferred target of 1.5C above pre-industrial levels will mean "rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society".
It will be hugely expensive - but the window of opportunity remains open.
After three years of research and a week of haggling between scientists and government officials at a meeting in South Korea, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued a special report on the impact of global warming of 1.5C.

 

[Audit]

If we make the world hot enough the predators can move in after they've harvested our autism genes.

 

[NN 401]

Land use. You could run cattle or sheep on that land and get greater yields. That's why we raise 'em for food and not ibex and giraffes and whatever other bullshit.

The issue with Bison is that they are not domesticated at all and thus very dangerous and hard to corral.
There's also not enough of them due to historical reasons. Though, that has changed and one can purchase bison quite readily these days.

Otherwise they are quite suited for the American landscape, more so than cattle, and would have been an ideal meat source.

Just thought I'd drop that here.

 

[XYZpdq]

bison is way tasty
they need to make bison hyperroided freak meat like cows

 

[Rand /pol/]

bison is way tasty
they need to make bison hyperroided freak meat like cows

Except we killed most of them in the 1800s

 

[XYZpdq]

Except we killed most of them in the 1800s

Can't be that bad if they're in the meat department at Aldi.

 

[CWCchange]

The red tide is mostly due to industrial and residential sewage run off from Florida farmers and home owners. Too much shit (literally) and phosphorous in the water. The solution (sorry) is more government oversight and regulation. Doesn't mean that you need a permission slip to take a shit in the woods near the beach but it would mean that big farms and polluters are held accountable.

From what I can gather from friends and family in Florida people are pretty worked up about it. Hopefully they realize that the only solution is to regulate. Same thing Cleveland found out when their river caught on fire.

Government helped create the problem with the Army Corps of Engineers turning natural waterways into cesspools to stop flooding. Also, major farming operations like Big Sugar own both Republicans and Democrats, so I laugh when shitlibs think the Governor Scott is literally Voldemort and caused it, and that Democraps will somehow fix it.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Otherwise they are quite suited for the American landscape, more so than cattle, and would have been an ideal meat source.

they need to make bison hyperroided freak meat like cows

I guess nobody's heard of Beefalo? Also there is a lot of commerically grown bison. The biggest problem is the capital investment that is a bison-proof fence. 8' tall continuous metal pipe fence or it's just a suggestion to them. Hobby farmer had a half his bison bust through a fence into the neighbors over grown pasture. He tried for a week to get them back to his pasture. Over the course of the winter all 5 were shot and drug out by a tractor. At least the farmer got paid.

For everyone that says beef cattle are the problem with American agriculture, here is what happened when Argentina banned beef export for 10 years. Dairies and poultry farms are a much bigger problem agronomically, but everyone always bitches about cattle. I'll leave in the bit about how Islam fucked up the Hindu Cush too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18rQderghc&feature=youtu.be&t=1233

 

[ColtWalker1847]

I just thought I'd let you know that there have been some pretty big recent discoveries recently which will significantly reduce the cost of solar panels and reusable batteries once the respective technologies are done being developed.

Perovskite thin film solar panels are currently in a good position to replace silicon-based panels in the near future. At this time, perovskites are achieving a ~20% energy conversion rate which is comparable to the existing technologies. These panels are a godsend because they're much cheaper to produce and weigh a fraction of the amount. Currently, the main problems holding them back from market adoption is their inclusion of lead and a limited life span (~1000 hours at >90% effectiveness). Fortunately, this technology is quite new and it's very likely that we'll see improvements on their weaknesses.

Similarly, sodium-ion batteries are being developed as an alternative to lithium-ion batteries. Despite being incredibly cheaper than existing materials, there are still some challenges which must be overcome. Most important of these is making them last a long time. Some advances have been achieved in this regard (>83% effectiveness over 900 cycles) but more work is still needed. It's hoped that the introduction of group V elements will assuage this concern. Don't worry about people leaving this project to die, there are tons of groups out there working hard on this and no one wants to deal with lithium mining if they can avoid it (it involves pumping massive amounts of water into the atacama desert and extracting salt).

Hey, that's great but better solar panels doesn't solve the problem of capacity factor and the storage problem is still there even with fancy new batteries.

I'll quote myself from the Paris Climate Accords thread to help illustrate the problem we have with battery tech:

More back of the envelope calculations. 10kWh/l of energy in diesel fuel. Times 3.8 liters per gallon times 300 equals 11400 kWh of energy in the tanks of your average Freightliner/Kenworth/Peterbilt. Even if it is burned at 40% thermal efficiency in a modern truck engine it blows Tesla's battery capacity out of the fucking water.

For reference the battery in a Tesla Model S is 85 kWh. Meaning you would need 54 of the damn things at 1200 lbs apiece. 64,800 lbs.

Semi tractor trailers typically have GCVW limits of 80,000 lbs. Do you see the problem here?

What the energy future needs is big nasty industrial-grade energy. The struggle to overcome it is going to be a bar brawl, not a pillow fight. The problem is perspective. People only think of what they are familiar with. What is attainable by them. So they think solar panels and electric cars can fix it. But the issue is much larger and deeper and that home-gamer solar and battery technology does very little to address it. It'd be nice. Don't get me wrong. But it doesn't really solve anything major.

 

[Audit]

Hey, that's great but better solar panels doesn't solve the problem of capacity factor and the storage problem is still there even with fancy new batteries.

I'll quote myself from the Paris Climate Accords thread to help illustrate the problem we have with battery tech:

What the energy future needs is big nasty industrial-grade energy. The struggle to overcome it is going to be a bar brawl, not a pillow fight. The problem is perspective. People only think of what they are familiar with. What is attainable by them. So they think solar panels and electric cars can fix it. But the issue is much larger and deeper and that home-gamer solar and battery technology does very little to address it. It'd be nice. Don't get me wrong. But it doesn't really solve anything major.

No, I agree solar is not a universal solution and is only applicable for places where the land is basically worthless and receives a ton of light. E.g. most of the middle east/Arizona. The new generation of nuclear reactors is quite promising but there are a number of problems which could delay or prevent their adoption. The main issue is just the sheer cost of building them. This new generation can't be made out of the old cheap steel anymore. They're going to be using expensive crap like nickel and various refractory metals. They're certainly more efficient, thanks to their much higher operating temperature, but it'll be a hard sell to convince the power companies to use these reactors over the standard natural gas furnaces which they've become accustomed to. In the future, one of the ways that we can make these gas furnaces "green" is by converting them to burn hydrogen gas derived from fracking instead. By splitting off the hydrogen at an offsite facility before it's reacted with air, it will be easier to collect any C-containing gases or byproducts from the fuel. In fact, one possibility is that we could even try using excess solar energy in remote barren locations to produce hydrogen gas or another portable fuel.

In essence, the great misunderstanding that I've seen when it comes to solar energy is that it's for your home. That idea makes little sense when you consider that your city's electric grid isn't prepared to store the energy during a time of little power demand and you'll still need a dedicated power plant. Rather, solar is better produced in commercial farms in uninhabitable regions to perform energy intensive industrial tasks. Iceland does something similar to this as we speak. They refine aluminum metal at a relatively low cost because of the freely available geothermal power. "Green" isn't something an individual does. It's something a nation institutes to maximize their usage of their national resources.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

This stick figure sold me on nuclear power in under 5 minutes.

 

[Medicated]

Sorry, hyperbole. Dismantling capitalism sounds just as bad.

The earth's already been warming, but we accelerated it. We can reverse it. It'll take drastic action, but that's what it takes. And a rise in temperature is a real danger to humanity and wildlife; it's better to do something with the risk of failing than to do nothing at all.

No offense, but I heard this back in the 90's "The end of days is nigh, but we can reverse this! Cut up your can holders! THE POWER IS YOURS!" And everyones been recycling and saving power and switching over to power saving and all of that stuff for decades now. But nobody told companies that don't give a shit and do whatever they want because they don't answer to mother earth, they answer to shareholders, so instead they just told them to pay carbon tax which they just passed on the consumers.

So in the end what Captain Planet told me to do did fuck all and now we go Mad Max for real.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

They're going to be using expensive crap like nickel and various refractory metals.

Eh... not really. EBR II was made of mostly just plain stainless steel and it ran for a long goddamn time. The materials to make the damn things, while sometimes expensive, are worth it when the plant is built. If it is built. Which is the real problem.

The logjam with nuclear is getting the project almost complete then having a bunch of out-of-town randos show up and make a fuss to shut it down. I mentioned Shoreham earlier. That was a total shitshow. 6 billion 1980's dollars down the drain.

This has made energy companies really gunshy with building new nukes. They know it is going to be an uphill battle with lots of political pressure against them the whole way. If elections go the wrong way and the guys that signed off on it get booted, they are fucked. If the Sierra Club decides to make a fuss, they are fucked. If something happens internationally in the nuclear field, they are fucked.

Then you gotta deal with population shifts. Look at what happened to Trojan. Yeah it had problems. But that was with it's power loop. Turbine issues. Then when they finally got it sorted the demographics had shifted and it never got a chance to operate properly before the just-moved-in crunchy Portland types shut it down.

I guess why I make a big deal about these things and sperg so hard in these threads is because the only reason nuclear doesn't work today is political. Not technical. Not even economic. It's them having to deal with sign carrying fuckheads out of nowhere. That's it. It drives me fucking nuts. France, fucking FRANCE, decarbonized their entire electric grid in 10 years with 1970's Westinghouse nukes over 30 years ago. It can be done.

The kicker is that the protesters on the ground are doing it for "environmental" reasons.

I guess if we are posting videos, watch this.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Right, and the most memory a home user will ever need is 256KB...exponential growth dude.

I'm not saying we'll never see a 3d printed lab grown steak. But it's very far off before it's cost effective.

 

[Dysnomia]

I'm not saying we'll never see a 3d printed lab grown steak. But it's very far off before it's cost effective.

I've seen lab grown meat in a video and it was rather freaky. There was an issue with it just being muscle without fat. so it probably does not taste as good as the real thing. It's not really plausible right now to mass market it to everyone anyway. The people who would benefit the most can't afford it anyway. When something is at rich hipster price level it's pretty much useless to the general public. To address issues with food shortages and resource management you have to think about the majority of people who really need that food.

Remember all those rumors that KFC was growing chicken parts in a lab?

If that were true KFC would be a luxury gastropub and not a fast food restaurant that employs rude teens named Shaqueeshia.

I don't know how I feel about lab grown animal products. But then again we already consume so many weird processed things anyway. This would be just a step further. If it's safe and helps the environment and animals I'm all for it. But I really think we're a long ways away from it being of any use to humanity of the Earth.

 

[Lysol]

I see it as this. When the time comes to switch to phosphorus from low-grade sources the farmers will just fork over another couple bucks for their phosphorus bill and it still ain't going to have shit on their nitrogen bill.

Well, they might actually have shit on their nitrogen bill, so to speak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuse_of_excreta

I guess nobody's heard of Beefalo?

Spoiler

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

I just thought I'd let you know that there have been some pretty big recent discoveries recently which will significantly reduce the cost of solar panels and reusable batteries once the respective technologies are done being developed.

Perovskite thin film solar panels are currently in a good position to replace silicon-based panels in the near future. At this time, perovskites are achieving a ~20% energy conversion rate which is comparable to the existing technologies. These panels are a godsend because they're much cheaper to produce and weigh a fraction of the amount. Currently, the main problems holding them back from market adoption is their inclusion of lead and a limited life span (~1000 hours at >90% effectiveness). Fortunately, this technology is quite new and it's very likely that we'll see improvements on their weaknesses.

Similarly, sodium-ion batteries are being developed as an alternative to lithium-ion batteries. Despite being incredibly cheaper than existing materials, there are still some challenges which must be overcome. Most important of these is making them last a long time. Some advances have been achieved in this regard (>83% effectiveness over 900 cycles) but more work is still needed. It's hoped that the introduction of group V elements will assuage this concern. Don't worry about people leaving this project to die, there are tons of groups out there working hard on this and no one wants to deal with lithium mining if they can avoid it (it involves pumping massive amounts of water into the atacama desert and extracting salt).

I've followed technology for a long time, the new stuff, the bleeding edge and I've followed up on it through the years. The technologies you're mentioning sounds good but I'll believe it when I see it, which is not me saying it's bogus it's that the time until they're ready for manufacturing and use might be 20 years.

Iceland does something similar to this as we speak. They refine aluminum metal at a relatively low cost because of the freely available geothermal power. "Green" isn't something an individual does. It's something a nation institutes to maximize their usage of their national resources.

It got off to a rocky start though due to the invisible gnome habitats stopping construction, the financial crisis must have hurt them badly if they're finally ignoring the gnomes.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

only applicable for places where the land is basically worthless and receives a ton of light. E.g. most of the middle east/Arizona.

What is it about some people that they see bulldozing hundreds of thousands of acres of natural habitat as a good thing? If we are going to accept that as necessary, why don't we start building wind farms in areas with endangered species? At least wind farms only destroy some of the habitat.

Iceland does something similar to this as we speak. They refine aluminum metal at a relatively low cost because of the freely available geothermal power.

Similar. Similar like a 5000 watt generator is to the 60kW generator I run my house and shop on when the power goes out. The aircraft industry concentrated around the Colombia River b/c even back in the 30's hydro was the cheapest way to power aluminum foundries.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

What is it about some people that they see bulldozing hundreds of thousands of acres of natural habitat as a good thing? If we are going to accept that as necessary, why don't we start building wind farms in areas with endangered species? At least wind farms only destroy some of the habitat.

Fuck nature. Tropical paradises are hellholes filled with diseases and monsters. Parking lots are much more pleasant and useful.

 

[CWCchange]

What is it about some people that they see bulldozing hundreds of thousands of acres of natural habitat as a good thing? If we are going to accept that as necessary, why don't we start building wind farms in areas with endangered species? At least wind farms only destroy some of the habitat.

Wind farms kill a shit ton of birds retarded enough to fly near them, which explains why a lot are endangered.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Haha this study says nothing other than "A group of politically appointed 'Climate Scientists' changed the made up number of 1.5 to the made up number of 3.0 because people weren't scared enough"

Anthropomorphic global warming is not even a little bit proven. Just because people keep saying it is over and over doesn't make it true. Weren't we supposed to be underwater already going by inconvenient truth?

People try to disprove things we know a lot more surely than we know global warming, and for some reason they don't get blacklisted from the scientific establishment. This is politics, not science, and I don't care how many times you want to repeat it, there is nothing even approaching proof of anthropomorphic global warming.

It is an interesting theory, and certainly we should keep investigating it, but it's such a money pit it's obviously been taken over by politics and corruption. Try reading stuff some of the actual scientists who disagree with this wrote (rather than some crazy asshole like me) and you'll see it's not at all settled.

Here's some interesting info:
The “pause” in global warming observed since 2000 followed a period of rapid acceleration in the late 20th century. Starting in the mid-1970s, global temperatures rose 0.5 °C over a period of 25 years. Since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth's global mean surface temperature has been close to zero.

Since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth's global mean surface temperature has been close to zero.

A runaway chain reaction of co2 being released from thawing permafrost doesn't fucking pause when the numbers change in the year. Since they started measuring global temperatures in the mid 70s, the average global temp has gone up 0.5C. Since the year 2000 the temp has gone up 0.0C.

The whole fucking global warming theory is predicated on the assumption that the global mean temperature first measured in the 70s was average, and not, for example, that they started measuring during a cold period.

Meanwhile we know for a fact the globe has been hotter in the past. So if global warming supposed to melt the ice, causing more sunlight to be absorbed, causing more warming, causing more melting, causing rotting which releases c02, causing even more warmth, why did we have ice ages? Why did we go from hotter times to colder ones?

The only actual factual data they have is that there appears to be a correlation between c02 and temperature. However the correlation goes the wrong fucking way, and is delayed by about 200 years. It gets hot, then 200 years later, you see more C02 in the atmosphere due to the increase in temp. That isn't proof at all.