Will the 2020s be better?

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Will the 2020s be a better decade than the 2010s?

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Syaoran Li said:
1. The Catholic Church has a lot of problems but honestly most of that is confined to middle-class white Catholics in the United States and given all the controversies surrounding Pope Francis, there is a very good chance that the next pope will be more conservative and officially reverse a lot of the more controversial rulings made by the current pope or at least be a traditional centrist who will largely ignore or downplay and memory hole a good chunk of Francis's papal rule.

2. The Latino community is a lot less dependent on government welfare than the Black community statistically speaking and that is the linchpin that keeps inner-city blacks tied to the Democratic Party, and it's a stronger and more long-lived issue than the immigration debate.

Another key component to the Black community's continued support of the Dems is Lyndon B. Johnson, who not only implemented a lot of these welfare programs but also pushed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 into federal law. The Latino community has gone through hardships in American history, but they didn't really have anything like the Jim Crow laws (outside of local ordinances in certain border states like California and Texas)

Jim Crow/Segregation is still within living memory and a lot of Black boomers who are otherwise socially conservative as fuck will vote for the Democrats solely because of LBJ cementing the Democratic Party as the "party of the Civil Rights Movement" in their minds.

3. Asian-Americans do typically vote liberal, but socially tend to skew more centrist or center-left liberal. A lot of this is due to the fact that Asians tended to fare very well economically in the United States, and as the SJW Left becomes more contemptuous of Asians (as it is, they're practically Honorary Whites in the eyes of the Progressive Stack), it could skew a lot of Asian Zoomers towards the more moderate or libertarian wings of the Republican Party (which are growing larger as the Religious Right becomes increasingly irrelevant) or towards the more centrist or moderate liberal Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and similar fare.

While Tulsi is fairly liberal, she isn't a hard leftist like Bernie or The Squad, nor does she go out of the way to pander to that crowd like Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, or Kamala Harris. In 2004, Tulsi would be a left-wing Democrat but in 2019, she's essentially a centrist thanks to the Overton Window being shifted so badly.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of inner-city Blacks hate Asians every bit as much as they hate Whites and a lot of that goes back decades before the Progressive Stack was even a thing.

Remember the LA Riots in 1992? The inner-city blacks not only attacked random whites, they also went after the Asian population very hard. The Korean community in particular decided to fight back and shoot rioters from the rooftops.

If the Left keeps digging themselves further into IdPol and the Progressive Stack SJW bullshit, a lot of that venom will only get worse and soon you'll start seeing more Asians teaming up with non-dangerhair/soyboy Whites causing a shift in demographic voter blocks.

4. In the United States, "Demographics is Destiny" is a meme. The United States has never been built on a singular ethnic identity. Uighurs, Tibetans, White South Africans, and Sikhs were always a minority in their countries and were often the victims of conquest or regime change from a larger outsider culture that was built on ethnic identity, such as the Han Chinese or black South African tribes.

In the 1800's and early 1900's, a lot of immigrant groups such as the Irish, Italians, Ulster Scots/Scots-Irish, Greeks, Poles, Hungarians, and Slavs were not considered "White" but instead were placed in the category of "ethnic" and the Latinos in America have a lot more common parallels with the old European "ethnic" communities of the 19th and early 20th Century than inner-city Blacks, the Muslim communities, or spoiled college leftists.

Nowadays, the only people in America who still think Italians, Irish, or Poles aren't White are either centenarian WASP semi-corpses or the occasional edgy shitposter on /pol/

The blacks have been in this country longer than most Latinos, Asians, or even "ethnic" White Americans, but because of slavery and Jim Crow, they're under a different set of sociopolitical circumstances than Latinos and Asians or the ethnic Whites of old. They're also less than fifteen percent of the population and are mainly the "key vote" in places like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, and Atlanta, all of whom are usually either red states, swing states, or in Illinois, a light red state held hostage by a deep blue city.

The demographic shift leftward in the United States we've seen in the past decade is largely generational, not racial.

America is not Europe, the main threat to our culture and liberty is not economic migrants from the Middle East.

Instead the threat is spoiled Millennials from the colleges and a few coastal cities. That problem will likely self-correct not only because of the increased pendulum effect in American society and culture but also because the college degree is becoming increasingly seen as a worthless investment (barring a few fields like STEM or Medicine, which are largely not affected by the postmodern Left)

The Millennials leaned left due to growing up in the shadow of the Religious Right and then entering adulthood in the wake of the Great Recession. Far-left opportunists then amplified that and made things worse since Millennials have the most college degrees of any generation since they were told that the Bachelor's Degree is the new high school diploma but weren't told that certain degrees are worth far more than others.

The neoliberal corporatists then enabled them because they made for good useful idiots and the corporatists did not want another Occupy Wall Street on their hands, and so they co-opted a lot of that angst and astroturfed the fuck out of Occupy and then it spread from there thanks to social media.

A lot of the SJW Left's origins and unique forms of insanity can be traced both to the Occupy movement as a whole and to a backlash against the Religious Right, particularly the form it took in the Bush years.

If Trump wins in 2020, the SJW Left will be at a disadvantage and will likely lose a lot of support from the big corporate elites since they will no longer be useful for the most part. If Antifa manages to score some kills, then a lot of the far left will be up shit creek without a paddle.

If Trump gets reelected AND Antifa starts getting a body count attached to their name, then the Left is truly imperially fucked.
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Well, I'm not an expert on the Catholic church, but what you're saying does make a lot of sense. This could all just be the work of one bad Pope rather than a trend within the church.
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This is another good point. There are a lot of parallels between the black population and the Latino population (socio-economic status and whatnot), but what's happening and has happened to the blacks is far more extreme than anything that has ever happened to Latinos. The welfare thing you mentioned is also very relevant. The only counter argument that I have is that it doesn't really matter if Democrats don't something that benefits Hispanics in the same way that Civil Rights benefited Blacks. If the democrats create the illusion of benefiting them then they got 'em. Also You gotta remember that people view the world in terms of relativity. Lemme explain it this way: I was watching a Caspian Report video on Youtube about Iran (don't remember which one) and he said that there is an interesting phenomenon in the world: many people living in shitty countries run by malevolent rulers that do not rebel. Why do they do this? Because the shittness of the country is their status quo. What you need to have a revolution is a sudden drop in quality of life for the average person. If someone spends their life living in a 4/10 country run by a dictator then they will tolerate it, but if the dictator starts making bad decisions or outside forces start causing problems that the dictator can't deal with and the country goes from a 4/10 to a 2/10 then the people will consider rebellion. This is why in America, the one of the best societies in human history, we have people like AOC saying stuff like 'Climate change is our WW2'. Now, going back to the Latinos; if the democrats were able to do things for the Latinos that improved their livelihoods in a way that was noticeable then wouldn't be possible that they end up in the same position that Blacks are in?
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What you said about Asians is basically correct. I think that you are right when you say that if shit started happening then there would be a lot of Asians teaming up with uncucked whites. There are a lot of left-wing Asians, but (In my personal experience) they generally don't get extreme like how some white people get. Asians being left wing is a combination of them living in neo-lib bubbles, not liking the religious right, and not liking racism (I mean 'not liking racism' as what that phrase meant 20 years ago).
The only place where your wrong is that I don't think they're going to anything about woke shit for the same reasons why I don't think white people are going to do anything about woke shit. They're just going to put up with it.
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Uighurs, Tibetans, and Sikhs were not 'always a minority in their countries', but that's a nitpick.

You said a lot of correct things about 'Ethnic whites' as you call them (don't know if that's the correct term, but works really well for this discussion) it's not reasonable to compare them to non-whites in America today (and especially not most Latinos). You see, when the ethnic whites came to America they were forced to assimilate into WASP culture. Some parts of this process were very violent (and I'm not saying that this is a good thing or something we should do today, because I can't say for sure that it is necessary for assimilation), but after a hundred years they have fully assimilated with the WASPs. Part of this was having their old culture ripped out of them and replaced with American culture and part of this was inter-breeding. We can't do this with Latinos, because many of them have no will to adopt our culture or even our language and there is no will to make them do these things (and when I say 'make them' I'm not talking about killing them or beating them). In-fact there are whites who want us to do the opposite. "We speak English here" has become the gentler cousin of "1488! Gas the Kikes! Race war now!".

Now even if we could culturally assimilate these people there is the issue of phenotypes. From the perspective of looks alone an Irishman or WASP has more in common with a Pole or Scandinavian than he does with Mestizo or an Amerindian. Many of the Latinos coming here have a lot of Amerindian ancestry. If they look different it's going to make assimilation more difficult. Might not be as strong of an argument as the previous one, but it's true.

I agree that America is not Europe. Europe does not have a history of taking immigrants like how America does. I just doing think that when it comes to Hispanics we can't assimilate that many of that sort of people with the culture we have now.

>The other stuff
Yeah, I don't think wokeness is going to go anytime soon. They said it would go away after 2016, but it got worse. If Antifa kills someone they will probably get away with it. Remember most normal people don't know, care, or care to know about Antifa.
 
I believe in a spiritual sense the coming decade will be better. Materially, infrastructure will continue to degrade and the anti-populist politicians will grow ever more craven. Yet, I believe that a pragmatic view of our species and role will develop, as we go back to basics. I don't have any evidence for my views other than the quiet instincts instilled in me by God.
 
I only live to see Google, Facebook and all the big tech companies wiped off the face of the Earth.

My hope is that they continue in their business model of being censorious and invasive cunts, that governments continue to try to fuck over their business models, even if in the stupidest ways possible, and it pushes more people to adopt decentralised, privacy-aware open standards.

Oh, and please for the love of God, kill franchise based cinema, especially this comic book nonsense. To continue an accelerationist theme, let the MCU go full on woke and thus jump off a cliff already.

HoneyBadgersOfOats said:
We might see some changes with this new generation due to factors like many companies now are ditching the 4 year degree requirement for some of their positions because the new hires their getting out of college are fucking exceptional half the time. Even my company's corporate HQ has lifted some higher education requirements.
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At least in the UK, with tuition fees going up, more parents are telling their kids to go on apprenticeships and get vocational qualifications instead. The average Joe then only sends their kid to university to get a professional degree, to become a doctor, lawyer or an engineer (a real engineer, not a programmer). Maybe then the university will go back to having some respect as an institution for training STEM people, and not be seen by so many as an indoctrination camp for left wing ideas.
 
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I predict that the 2020s are gonna be a lot like the 90s.

The 90s started out on a bit of a "proto-woke" note -- Sistah Souljah, Consolidated, etc. But then it mellowed out. Generation X came into its own as a cultural force -- Nirvana, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Beck, et al. Sort of apolitical.

I predict Zoomers will do something similar.
 
Fartwhistle said:
I predict that the 2020s are gonna be a lot like the 90s.

The 90s started out on a bit of a "proto-woke" note -- Sistah Souljah, Consolidated, etc. But then it mellowed out. Generation X came into its own as a cultural force -- Nirvana, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Beck, et al. Sort of apolitical.

I predict Zoomers will do something similar.
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If it's gonna be like the 90s, I can't wait to be 4 again, this time with a 3 in front.
 
I'm scared to fucking death of the 2020s, a part of me is hoping things will be better, but I also think there is potential it could take everything bad about the 2010s and multiply it by a factor of 10. It actually makes me genuinely anxious.
 
You know, Vidya might just start on GameCube nostalgia instead of the usual SNES/NES nostalgia. Comedy movies might actually come back and maybe TV won't be so bad. The pendulum has to swing back sometime.

Plus, if Trump gets beaten then there won't be so much ORANG MAN BAD everywhere.

CheezzyMach said:
I'm also expecting physical retail disks for movies and video games to be largely phased out by the end of the 2020s if current trends continue.
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Late, but people have been saying physical disks are dying off into obscurity since downloadable media became commonplace around 2009 or so. Digital will continue to take physical's place, but don't forget that vinyl music is set to outsell CDs here. People still like physical, and some people won't go digital if they think there's a chance they could get access revoked from them. Hopefully people will get more rights regarding their digital purchases, but that's :optimistic:.
 
You know it's bad if the silver lining to any future cataclysm is that it may improve society afterwards. Also it may look bad for society in the West, but at least the West isn't the whole world.
 
Nope. The bleed of politics and uncompromising minds will lead great challenge in the coming decade.

As soon as Trump is re-elected, I can see all the massive riots happening near immediately.
 
I doubt space travel will make much progress in the 2020s either. The ISS may shut down, and any orbital spaceflight will still be done only by "the best of the best of the best" with "years of government training", or the extremely wealthy. We'll be lucky if there's even any manned Moon missions, which may not be by USA.

And of course, probably no flying cars or cloud cities still.

So far the future sucks.
 
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JosephStalin said:
While we must acknowledge the passage of time, we need never acknowledge growing old. That's my attitude.
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Thanks, Stalin!
DK 699 said:
>1.
Well, I'm not an expert on the Catholic church, but what you're saying does make a lot of sense. This could all just be the work of one bad Pope rather than a trend within the church.
>2.
This is another good point. There are a lot of parallels between the black population and the Latino population (socio-economic status and whatnot), but what's happening and has happened to the blacks is far more extreme than anything that has ever happened to Latinos. The welfare thing you mentioned is also very relevant. The only counter argument that I have is that it doesn't really matter if Democrats don't something that benefits Hispanics in the same way that Civil Rights benefited Blacks. If the democrats create the illusion of benefiting them then they got 'em. Also You gotta remember that people view the world in terms of relativity. Lemme explain it this way: I was watching a Caspian Report video on Youtube about Iran (don't remember which one) and he said that there is an interesting phenomenon in the world: many people living in shitty countries run by malevolent rulers that do not rebel. Why do they do this? Because the shittness of the country is their status quo. What you need to have a revolution is a sudden drop in quality of life for the average person. If someone spends their life living in a 4/10 country run by a dictator then they will tolerate it, but if the dictator starts making bad decisions or outside forces start causing problems that the dictator can't deal with and the country goes from a 4/10 to a 2/10 then the people will consider rebellion. This is why in America, the one of the best societies in human history, we have people like AOC saying stuff like 'Climate change is our WW2'. Now, going back to the Latinos; if the democrats were able to do things for the Latinos that improved their livelihoods in a way that was noticeable then wouldn't be possible that they end up in the same position that Blacks are in?
>3.
What you said about Asians is basically correct. I think that you are right when you say that if shit started happening then there would be a lot of Asians teaming up with uncucked whites. There are a lot of left-wing Asians, but (In my personal experience) they generally don't get extreme like how some white people get. Asians being left wing is a combination of them living in neo-lib bubbles, not liking the religious right, and not liking racism (I mean 'not liking racism' as what that phrase meant 20 years ago).
The only place where your wrong is that I don't think they're going to anything about woke shit for the same reasons why I don't think white people are going to do anything about woke shit. They're just going to put up with it.
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Uighurs, Tibetans, and Sikhs were not 'always a minority in their countries', but that's a nitpick.

You said a lot of correct things about 'Ethnic whites' as you call them (don't know if that's the correct term, but works really well for this discussion) it's not reasonable to compare them to non-whites in America today (and especially not most Latinos). You see, when the ethnic whites came to America they were forced to assimilate into WASP culture. Some parts of this process were very violent (and I'm not saying that this is a good thing or something we should do today, because I can't say for sure that it is necessary for assimilation), but after a hundred years they have fully assimilated with the WASPs. Part of this was having their old culture ripped out of them and replaced with American culture and part of this was inter-breeding. We can't do this with Latinos, because many of them have no will to adopt our culture or even our language and there is no will to make them do these things (and when I say 'make them' I'm not talking about killing them or beating them). In-fact there are whites who want us to do the opposite. "We speak English here" has become the gentler cousin of "1488! Gas the Kikes! Race war now!".

Now even if we could culturally assimilate these people there is the issue of phenotypes. From the perspective of looks alone an Irishman or WASP has more in common with a Pole or Scandinavian than he does with Mestizo or an Amerindian. Many of the Latinos coming here have a lot of Amerindian ancestry. If they look different it's going to make assimilation more difficult. Might not be as strong of an argument as the previous one, but it's true.

I agree that America is not Europe. Europe does not have a history of taking immigrants like how America does. I just doing think that when it comes to Hispanics we can't assimilate that many of that sort of people with the culture we have now.
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As much as I will stan for the cultural imperialism in the US specifically, I can't say I agree with your assessment with regards to how people were integrated into the country. Sure there was a common American identity but with regional and ethnic distinctions in the people who populated this nation. Sure people would integrate, but this has always been a "Compromise" of sorts. Even to this day, as mix-blooded as I and my ancestry are after multiple generations living here there are segments of my family who still hold to the symbols of "Irish Ancestry" clearly those symbols holding great significance to them in spite of the fact that not a one of them actually hails from Ireland.

I guess that what I mean is that we aren't a multi-cultural society in the sense that we are a confederation of different peoples, but neither are we truly a mono-culture either, being generally tolerant and accepting of other groups of people all identify as sharing an exclusive common identity among themselves.
 
Syaoran Li said:
1. The Catholic Church has a lot of problems but honestly most of that is confined to middle-class white Catholics in the United States and given all the controversies surrounding Pope Francis, there is a very good chance that the next pope will be more conservative and officially reverse a lot of the more controversial rulings made by the current pope or at least be a traditional centrist who will largely ignore or downplay and memory hole a good chunk of Francis's papal rule.
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Can you expand a bit on what a "traditional centrist" pope would do or be like?
 
FinnKitty said:
Can you expand a bit on what a "traditional centrist" pope would do or be like?
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Now, I am not Catholic, but by centrist, I mean a sort of conservative pope like John Paul II or anyone who is to the right of Pope Francis.

In the context of my theory, I think a centrist pope would simply ignore and memory hole as much of Francis's stances and rulings as much as they can without having to actually rewrite papal law or call for another Vatican council.
 
Good news: No one will be talking SJWs, 'woke politics' and shitty comic book movies ...

Bad news: .... because the US will be fighting a nuclear war with China

Basically this except you are the dyno and the fireball is an incoming Chinese ICBM RV.

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