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From: American Renaissance (Chris Roberts)
Date: 2020/10/28
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In presidential elections, the Republican Party used to win the majority of Asian votes. Now it barely wins more than a quarter.
Year GOP Share of the Asian Vote Third Party Share of the Asian Vote
199255 percent15 percent
199648 percent8 percent
200041 percent3-4 percent
200443 percentN/A
200835 percentN/A
201226 percentN/A
201627 percent6 percent
In 2012 and 2016, the GOP’s share of Asian support was even lower than its Hispanic share. Every Asian in the Senate and Congress is a Democrat, including some of the most progressive and anti-Trump: Judy Chu, Ted Lieu, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris, and Ro Khanna. In media, most prominent Asians are well left of center, such as: Christiane Amanpour, Fareed Zakaria, Bhaskar Sunkara, and Jeet Heer.
Many analysts are surprised by how left-wing Asians have become. They have many characteristics that usually indicate conservatism: above-average income, good high school graduation rates, high marriage rates, low divorce rates, high business ownership rates, low welfare use, and they commit little crime. They also are on the losing end of affirmative action and quotas, and many come from nations that have suffered Communist rule and/or Islamic terrorism.
President Richard Nixon greeting Senator Fong in 1972

President Richard Nixon with Senator Hiram Fong (HI) in 1972. Fong was the first Asian ever elected to the Senate, and a Republican.
This was true 30 years ago, when the majority of Asians voted Republican, and it is still true. What changed? In 2012, Professor Richard Posner suggested that many people vote for non-material reasons:
The voting behavior of Asian Americans appears puzzling, however, only in light of the widespread belief that people vote their interests, that is, vote for the candidate whom they think most likely to promote policies favorable to them. But many voters don’t vote their interests . . . voting is more an expressive than an instrumental act: more like applauding at a play or concert than buying a lottery ticket.
Prof. Posner suggested that many people, including Asians, see the GOP as the party of whites — especially rural and southern whites — militant Christianity, and war, and Democrats as the party of the well-educated, the urban elites, cosmopolitans, and non-whites. Asians who want to prove to themselves and others that they are well educated and culturally literate vote Democrat. Charles Murray reached a similar conclusion after Barack Obama won reelection with 73 percent of the Asian vote:
Something has happened to define conservatism in the minds of Asians as deeply unattractive, despite all the reasons that should naturally lead them to vote for a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth. I propose that the explanation is simple. Those are not the themes that define the Republican Party in the public mind. Republicans are seen by Asians — as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites — as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists.

It is now less common than in 2012 to dismiss the GOP as the party of Evangelical fanatics. Instead, it’s more common to say it’s the party of “white grievance,” which is, if anything more offensive to liberal elites, and equally unappealing to non-whites.
Barack Obama with Asians

President Barack Obama greets people in the audience after delivering the keynote address at the Asian Pacific American Institute for Congressional Studies 18th Annual Gala Dinner May 8, 2012. in Washington, District of Columbia (Credit Image: © Pete Souza / The White House / ZUMAPRESS.com)
Essayist Rob Henderson argues that one way American elites show off their status is through “woke” ideology about race and sex. Until recently, only universities taught this mush, and it takes an above-average intelligence to understand ideas that make so little sense. They signal that believers have the leisure to study convoluted abstractions. Asians value education, status, and money, but it takes more than money and a degree to join the liberal elite: You need to speak the language of woke academics. So Asians, many of whom are within striking distance of the upper class, have “gone woke” in their quest for upward mobility. In more race realist terms, Asians tend to be conformists, not independent thinkers, and have adopted the norms of the class they want to join.
Can that change?
There are two ways Asians could return to the GOP.
The first is that America’s elite, with its high number of Asians, could shift to the Right, or at least become less woke. Historically, elites tend to be conservative; America’s current ruling class is unique. In The Bell Curve, Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein speculated that:
The tension between what the white elite is supposed to think and what it is actually thinking about race will reach something close to breaking point. This pessimistic prognosis must be contemplated: When the break comes, the result, as so often happens when cognitive dissonance is resolved, will be an overreaction in the other direction. Instead of the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed, the nation will be faced with racial divisiveness and hostility that is as great as, or greater, than America experienced before the civil rights movement. We realize how outlandish it seems to predict that educated and influential Americans, who have been so puritanical about racial conversation, will openly revert to racism. We would not go so far as to say it is probable. It is, however, more than just possible. If it were to happen, all the scenarios for the custodial state would be more unpleasant — more vicious — than anyone can now imagine.
The elite is now white and Asian, but the cognitive dissonance is the same. As Joe Sobran said, “In their mating and migratory habits, liberals are indistinguishable from members of the Ku Klux Klan.” Upper-class whites and Asians buy houses far from blacks and Hispanics and send their children to schools with few blacks and Hispanics — as they vote for candidates who promote integration, immigration, high taxes, and lax crime laws. One day, the elite may break these dangerous habits and become conservative, perhaps dramatically. If this change happens, Asians will be a big part of it.
Koreans for Trump leader Dr. Lisa Shin

Koreans for Trump leader Dr. Lisa Shin addresses delegates on the final day of the Republican National Convention July 21, 2016 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Credit Image: © Richard Ellis / ZUMA Wire)
Asians will be more likely to vote Republican if they become middle class. Both the rich and the poor favor Democrats; the rich because of liberal posturing and the poor because of need. Right now, America’s Asians tend to be one or the other, with some groups poor and others rich (some of course are middle class).
Poverty Rate Among Asian Groups in America

Data from the five-year American Community Survey. The national poverty rate in 2015 was 13.5. Graph from Jacobin Magazine.
Asian Median Incomes
The median household income nationally in 2015 was $56,516.
This “middle class gap” can be found not just between Asian groups, but within them. As Bhaskar Sunkara said of Indian-Americans, “We’re either pumping your gas or we’re performing open-heart surgery.” Asian groups with poverty rates most similar to the national average, and with median incomes within the “Republican middle class” bracket of $50–75,000 a year, such as Koreans and Vietnamese, are the ones most likely to vote Republican. Not many rich Asians are likely to “fall” into the middle class, and less-intelligent Asian groups are likely to remain lower class.
One unpredictable influence on Asian voting will be immigration. Through immigration, Asians are increasing as a percentage of the population more quickly than any other race, but no one knows how many will arrive in the coming decades or from where.
Asian versus Hispanic Immigration
China, India, and the Philippines have been three of the most common sources of Asian immigration for years, but even combined, they are not the dominant source of Asian immigration the way Mexico has been for Hispanics.
Most Common Country of Origin for American Immigrants

Disaster, famine, and war all influence immigration and can’t be predicted. The next Democrat President may grant refugee status to the Muslim Rohingya of Myanmar and flood us with tens of thousands (or even hundreds of thousands) of them. A war between India and Pakistan would increase immigration to the United States from both countries. So would civil war in Iran. Or famine in Thailand. These peoples are all different. Today, Asians are only 6 or 7 percent of the population, so newcomers could change overall Asian averages in income, education, IQ, etc. If future Asian-Americans end up middle class, they would be more likely to vote Republican.
But this change would take time, and in any case, future Asian immigrants could be uneducated peasants rather than entrepreneurs.
Rohingya People

Rohingya people in Myanmar. Probably not future Republicans. (Credit Image: The Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office via Wikimedia)
A change in elite attitudes would be the quickest way to bring sanity to American politics. Asians, uncowed by white guilt or accusations of privilege, might be best suited to make that happen. Last year, Andrew Yang’s bid for the Democrat presidential nomination drew tremendous support from Chinese donors — even from those who were generally conservative, and even though he did not make a direct ethnic appeal. An eloquent and capable conservative Asian who argued that the interests of Asians were at odds with Democrat policies could attract a lot of support.
So, will Asians stay woke? Probably — but if they wake up to reality, it would be especially good for the country.
 
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Every Asian in the Senate and Congress is a Democrat, including some of the most progressive and anti-Trump: Judy Chu, Ted Lieu, Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris, and Ro Khanna. In media, most prominent Asians are well left of center, such as: Christiane Amanpour, Fareed Zakaria, Bhaskar Sunkara, and Jeet Heer.

Pramila Jayapal, Kamala Harris, and Ro Khanna, Christiane Amanpour, Fareed Zakaria, Bhaskar Sunkara, and Jeet Heer.
I think I've spotted a major flaw in the methodology here.
 
Never confuse a Japanese person with a Korean, Chinese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Korean person with a Chinese, Southern Asian or god forbid Japanese person.
Never confuse a Chinese person with a Korean, Japanese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Southern Asian person with any of the other three for god sake.

Why you ask?
It's not that they care about your racism (unless they are some Asian/American disappointment). It's that they fucking hate each other and don't want to be compared with the fucking inferior people/soulless monsters around them.

It's like if you mistook me for an Englishman, American or god forbid a Horrible Frenchman.
 
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Never confuse a Japanese person with a Korean, Chinese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Korean person with a Chinese, Southern Asian or god forbid Japanese person.
Never confuse a Chinese person with a Korean, Japanese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Souther Asian person with any of the other three for god sake.

Why you ask?
It's not that they care about your racism (unless they are some Asian/American disappointment). It's that they fucking hate each other and don't want to be compared with the fucking inferior people/soulless monsters around them.

It's like if you mistook me for an Englishman, American or god forbid a Horrible Frenchman.

Inter-Asian racism speaks to just how ingrained into human nature racism probably is.

Because for us as outsiders all we can really see is "yup, you guys sure are Asian!" but to insiders all they can see are their differences.

And if that kind of racism can lead to such unfortunate results despite their obvious similarities as it has in the past, how can we really expect something like blacks and whites living together to work?
 
Never confuse a Japanese person with a Korean, Chinese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Korean person with a Chinese, Southern Asian or god forbid Japanese person.
Never confuse a Chinese person with a Korean, Japanese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Southern Asian person with any of the other three for god sake.

Why you ask?
It's not that they care about your racism (unless they are some Asian/American disappointment). It's that they fucking hate each other and don't want to be compared with the fucking inferior people/soulless monsters around them.

It's like if you mistook me for an Englishman, American or god forbid a Horrible Frenchman.
...So are ya Chinese or Japanese?
 
Most the American Asians I have met have been firmly entrenched in the woke camp. Granted, these were second to third generation immigrants. Most of them seemed to act excessively American, extroverted, as well... almost as if they were rebelling against a much more conservative Asian culture.
 
It's pretty much just all the accumulative salt of two generations of asian-americans who are anally disturbed that their parents didn't share their culture with them beyond food. Have you ever noticed the thing they get most angry about is asian-fusion cuisine? That's because it's the only element of their heritage they even know how to talk about. They have to blame white people for the loss of their culture somehow so they have to act like their very ancestors are being violently murdered by some hipsters making stupid food.
 
Never confuse a Japanese person with a Korean, Chinese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Korean person with a Chinese, Southern Asian or god forbid Japanese person.
Never confuse a Chinese person with a Korean, Japanese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Southern Asian person with any of the other three for god sake.

Why you ask?
It's not that they care about your racism (unless they are some Asian/American disappointment). It's that they fucking hate each other and don't want to be compared with the fucking inferior people/soulless monsters around them.

It's like if you mistook me for an Englishman, American or god forbid a Horrible Frenchman.

Isn't Wales part of England tho
 
Never confuse a Japanese person with a Korean, Chinese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Korean person with a Chinese, Southern Asian or god forbid Japanese person.
Never confuse a Chinese person with a Korean, Japanese or god forbid Southern Asian person.
Never confuse a Southern Asian person with any of the other three for god sake.

Why you ask?
It's not that they care about your racism (unless they are some Asian/American disappointment). It's that they fucking hate each other and don't want to be compared with the fucking inferior people/soulless monsters around them.

It's like if you mistook me for an Englishman, American or god forbid a Horrible Frenchman.
This! I live in a rich diverse area that includes multiple Asian ethnic groups. One thing you'd quickly noticed is compared to Europeans you cannot group them as one because they're more different than alike as such you're found to find them being racists against each other than united in a Asian version of the NAACP.

The only woke Asians I have had the dishonor of meeting are the more privileged Asians who see racism everywhere like every White person is a racists boogeyman that will curse at them, possibly attack them and kidnap their children and raise them to hate their own heritage. Basically a banana.
 
Ah, yes, the "Asians", the group of people that journalists use as their wild card. They're all either white or people of color depending on whatever's convenient, and they're always the ones committing terror attacks with trucks and knives in Europe.
 
Considering this is from a site runned by white supremacists, I would like to as a Chinese American that most Asians I know are apolitical, but when given a choice prefer Democrats because while we think woke culture and the riot are ridiculous, we are more uncomfortable with the Republicans due to their association with racism, especially in this trying time. Most conservative Asian politicians I know come are from communist refugees.
 
Maybe show if the asian votes for democrats also increased instead of bitching about how much money Asians make.
 
Considering this is from a site runned by white supremacists, I would like to as a Chinese American that most Asians I know are apolitical, but when given a choice prefer Democrats because while we think woke culture and the riot are ridiculous, we are more uncomfortable with the Republicans due to their association with racism, especially in this trying time. Most conservative Asian politicians I know come are from communist refugees.
I can see that. The Republican party unfortunately has painted themselves as the party for Christian and whites only that both colored people and non-Christians would look at you and think you're crazy to support such a party that openly campaigns against them.
 
It's a lost subset of voter bloc. The only ones who overwhelmingly break for Trump are those Falun Gong cultists and other anti-CCP glowies. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with being against the CCP, but a lot of the really vocal and high visibility Mainland Chinese who are anti-CCP have some serious glowie vibes.
 
Inter-Asian racism speaks to just how ingrained into human nature racism probably is.

Because for us as outsiders all we can really see is "yup, you guys sure are Asian!" but to insiders all they can see are their differences.

And if that kind of racism can lead to such unfortunate results despite their obvious similarities as it has in the past, how can we really expect something like blacks and whites living together to work?
I don't think its racism, its preference to things closer to you.

Do you care about yout country or your family more? of course your family comes before anything else, to hell with your nation if the choice is that or your blood.

Yourself, Close family, outer family, local living group, regional, national, nations clsoe and similar to yours (EG, I as a Brit have more in common and thus prefer Americans over Turks), then the rest of the world.

Its always been this way, and it makes sense as we are creatures that tend to do well with social connections. Its considered strange to be a true loner, someone with no family or friends, and for very good reason. It speks to some sort of defect, an inability to work within the group or some mentality not suited for group structures we all enjoy.

So many of these studies seem like a big waste of money to tell us water is wet. I suspect a grift of some sort is going on, why not study something we do not already fucking understand.
 
"Sorry, Ping Pong. You only got a perfect score on your test and this black kid got a C+... but we need more of him. Better luck with your second choice in schools."

It was that very day Ping Longs heart grew three shades whiter that day.
 
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