Opinion Why We Don’t Recommend Ring Cameras - They’re affordable and ubiquitous, but homeowners shouldn’t be able to act as vigilantes.

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ADRIENNE SO
JUL 9, 2023 7:00 AM

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MOST OF THE time, product testing is pretty simple. If a router is better and more feature-full than another with a similar price, then you give it a better score and move on with your day. However, we occasionally end up with products that can be dangerous to you, or to society in general, which we believe to be the case with Amazon-owned Ring and its relationship with law enforcement.

When you set up a Ring camera, you are automatically enrolled in the Neighbors service. (You can go into the Ring app's settings and toggle off the Neighbors feed integration and notifications, but the onus is on you.) Neighbors, which is also a stand-alone app, shows you an activity feed from all nearby Ring camera owners, with posts about found dogs, stolen hoses, and a Safety Report that shows how many calls for service—violent or nonviolent—were made in the past week. It also provides an outlet for public safety agencies, like local police and fire departments, to broadcast information widely.

But it also allows Ring owners to send videos they've captured with their Ring video doorbell cameras and outdoor security cameras to law enforcement. This is a feature unique to Ring—even Nextdoor removed its Forward to Police feature in 2020, which allowed Nextdoor users to forward their own safety posts to local law enforcement agencies. If a crime has been committed, law enforcement should obtain a warrant to access civilian video footage.

Wait a Minute​

Multiple members of WIRED's Gear team have spoken to Ring over the years about this feature. The company has been clear it's what customers want, even though there’s no evidence that more video surveillance footage keeps communities safer. Instead, Neighbors increases the possibility of racial profiling. It makes it easier for both private citizens and law enforcement agencies to target certain groups for suspicion of crime based on skin color, ethnicity, religion, or country of origin.

We have been concerned about this issue since Ring started partnering with police departments to hand out free video cameras. Via the Neighbors Public Safety Service (NPSS) within the app, law enforcement can create Requests for Assistance, and Neighbors can contact camera owners directly for footage.

We believe this feature should not exist. When we interviewed Nextdoor CEO Sarah Friar on steps the company was taking to reduce racial profiling, Friar cited the work of Jennifer Eberhardt, a Stanford professor whose work on the psychological associations between race and crime won her a MacArthur Genius grant.

Much of Eberhardt’s work revolves around decision points—the more you make people stop and think before they act, the less likely they are to engage in unconscious racial bias. Putting a frictionless feature directly into Neighbors makes it that much easier for Ring owners to bombard law enforcement with unsubstantiated and possibly biased alarms.

It's important to note here that law enforcement is legally not allowed to access your personal videos or information without your permission. Law enforcement agencies must cite an active investigation within a time and geographic range, and cannot solicit information on lawful activities like protesting. Ring is not allowed to access your video data either, though that hasn't stopped it before. When the company improperly allowed employees and contractors to survey customers illegally, the Federal Trade Commission slapped the company with a proposed order earlier this year to delete data from videos that employees viewed unlawfully, issue $5.8 million in consumer refunds, and implement a stringent privacy and security program.

That’s Not All​

Ring has taken steps to address the concerns about its relationship with law enforcement. In 2021, the company released the results of a nearly two-year-long audit with the Policing Project at New York University’s School of Law. Ring made changes to policies, including making Requests for Assistance public, making NPSS a local service, and introducing new community guidelines when it comes to posting. For example, you're now only allowed to report facts, not feelings. You're no longer allowed to post footage of people just because you feel squirmy about them.

If you've logged into Neighbors recently, you might have noticed these effects. When I first tested a Ring camera, Neighbors showed me a weekly crime report of two dozen “police incidents” that had occurred on my street,, which spiked my heart rate and convinced me that we live among criminals in a degenerate society. A recent peek showed me that my Neighbors feed is now 50 percent missing cats and only 50 percent terrified people posting about gunshots or thieves. It's an improvement.

Yes, there’s nothing stopping law enforcement from physically canvassing streets near a suspected crime scene and asking camera owners, Ring or otherwise, for video footage. However, this process has its own friction points, including walking to find relevant homeowners and going through the process of subpoenaing footage. Other security camera makers also provide video footage to law enforcement as well. Google's Nest says it reserves the right to share information with law enforcement through a pretty opaque process. However, Google does not retain a specific app to make the process easier, and we like using Nest cameras otherwise.

That ties into my last point: We also have problems with Ring's hardware. The security cameras have a low frame rate, are slow loading, and have bulky designs; the Ring Car Cam doesn’t prevent break-ins when the car is off. Like other companies, including Wyze and Eufy, the company tends to only address security loopholes when they are discovered by outside parties. If you’re buying a video camera, you need to consider where it’s placed, because no camera is 100 percent safe.

If you're looking for a home security camera, whether it's a video doorbell or an outdoor camera, we would like to remind you that there are many, many alternatives. Ring cameras are cheap and ubiquitous, but contributing to a just society is also a factor in keeping your family safe.

Correction July 9, 2023: We incorrectly spelled Nextdoor CEO Sarah Friar's name. We regret the error.

Adrienne So is a senior associate reviews editor for WIRED, where she reviews consumer technology. She graduated from the University of Virginia with bachelor’s degrees in English and Spanish, and she previously worked as a freelance writer for Cool Hunting, Paste, Slate, and other publications. She lives in Portland, Oregon.

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Of the reasons not to have a Ring camera, the possibility that you might use it to do a racism doesn't even breach the top 1000. What a fucking embarrassing article.
 
One of my favorite activities is using my wifi jammer to fuck with my friends Ring/Blink cameras and seeing them lose their shit over it.

That's probably the real reason you shouldn't use a Ring camera, cause they're fucking dog shit that's only reliable to record yourself.

But since most people have them for your by the numbers dumb B and E nigger they're probably good enough I guess.
 
> Neighbors showed me a weekly crime report of two dozen “police incidents” that had occurred on my street,, which spiked my heart rate and convinced me that we live among criminals in a degenerate society. A recent peek showed me that my Neighbors feed is now 50 percent missing cats and only 50 percent terrified people posting about gunshots or thieves.

What a relief but let's not just put it all away, we need to talk about our hopes for the shooters of peace not being subjugated by the prison industrial complex.
 
I want proprietary non cloud based cameras. Anyone got a recommendation? I want security but that I control and isn't going to be used to capture me wrong thinking.
 
It's important to note here that law enforcement is legally not allowed to access your personal videos or information without your permission. Law enforcement agencies must cite an active investigation within a time and geographic range, and cannot solicit information on lawful activities like protesting. Ring is not allowed to access your video data either, though that hasn't stopped it before. When the company improperly allowed employees and contractors to survey customers illegally, the Federal Trade Commission slapped the company with a proposed order earlier this year to delete data from videos that employees viewed unlawfully, issue $5.8 million in consumer refunds, and implement a stringent privacy and security program.
Unless you give them permission to access certain footage by sending it directly to them. Which is what that feature does.

I'm not sure what the problem is here, if people want to talk to the cops, let them, even if it is a bad idea.
That ties into my last point: We also have problems with Ring's hardware. The security cameras have a low frame rate, are slow loading, and have bulky designs; the Ring Car Cam doesn’t prevent break-ins when the car is off. Like other companies, including Wyze and Eufy, the company tends to only address security loopholes when they are discovered by outside parties. If you’re buying a video camera, you need to consider where it’s placed, because no camera is 100 percent safe.

If you're looking for a home security camera, whether it's a video doorbell or an outdoor camera, we would like to remind you that there are many, many alternatives. Ring cameras are cheap and ubiquitous, but contributing to a just society is also a factor in keeping your family safe.
Oh look here's the only relevant part of the article: the cameras aren't that good. Now if you put that at the top instead of the simping for package thieves and burglars...
 
When I first tested a Ring camera, Neighbors showed me a weekly crime report of two dozen “police incidents” that had occurred on my street,, which spiked my heart rate and convinced me that we live among criminals in a degenerate society.
Because... we do?
A recent peek showed me that my Neighbors feed is now 50 percent missing cats and only 50 percent terrified people posting about gunshots or thieves. It's an improvement.
Should we not be terrified by the possibility of being shot or robbed just because you love niggers?
 
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Adrienne So is a senior associate reviews editor for WIRED, where she reviews consumer technology. She graduated from the University of Virginia with bachelor’s degrees in English and Spanish, and she previously worked as a freelance writer for Cool Hunting, Paste, Slate, and other publications. She lives in Portland, Oregon.
From a previous Willamette Week profile (assuming a few years ago):
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Adrienne So writes about travel, beer and gear for Cool Hunting, All About Beer and other online and print publications. She lives in a tiny house with her husband, her daughter, two dogs, and a more or less constant supply of beer, cheese and brownies.
Bughive dweller who lives in a "tiny house" with multiple dogs and loves criminals? Not surprising.
 
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Ring cameras are cheap and ubiquitous, but contributing to a just society is also a factor in keeping your family safe.
This article makes me want to rip the ring off the author's wall and strangle them with the fucking wiring. When did "See something, say something" turn you from being an attentive citizen to a racist? Thieves, break-ins, and much worse (like kidnappings) may not be prevented; but can point law enforcement to the right direction. I fucking hate how morally authoritive people in society pretend to be, while also partaking in some of the most blatant anti-social behavior imaginable.

What a relief but let's not just put it all away, we need to talk about our hopes for the shooters of peace not being subjugated by the prison industrial complex.
Another Seth Rogen and his "Dude, my car was broken into over a dozen times, but one time they left this pretty cool knife."

I want proprietary non cloud based cameras. Anyone got a recommendation? I want security but that I control and isn't going to be used to capture me wrong thinking.
I know a couple of guys who use ZOSI. Cameras can be normal wired or ethernet, to a box you own and control. If you want to be able to access it via internet/phone you can, if you don't, you can do that too. The newer ones also apparently let you adjust how sensitive they are to movement; so it'll record a car or person, but not a dog or something like that (I'm not certain). Can control how long it keeps recordings or overwrites, and can manually copy to a usb or delete if you want too.

Not a salesman, don't own one, words from other people.
 
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Bughive dweller who lives in a "tiny house" with multiple dogs and loves criminals? Not surprising.
Yet another petite woke Asian woman who relentlessly simps for black men who would rape and rob her without a second thought.

What makes these people so suicidal?
 
Although the racism angle is retarded as usual, the rest is basically right. KF of all places should know this: NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE

That includes your security cameras.
 
I want proprietary non cloud based cameras. Anyone got a recommendation? I want security but that I control and isn't going to be used to capture me wrong thinking.
From my limited experience, Amcrest cameras are quite good and come with all the features you need. Most of them are simple ip cameras that support a web server based config. However there are a few new ones sold under the "AI" and "smart" moniker that require a mobile app. The main feature you need is RTSP. Block the cameras off to the internet through a DMZ or vlan with something like pfsense.
 
Wired doesn't recommend Ring home video security systems? This article was written by someone who not only is simply not qualified to write about home security but, is a genuine dumb cunt. She doesn't even have a degree in an applicable field. Journalism is dead, Buzzfeed and Gawker lowered the bar so low anyone who has an opinion and wants $100 can write a poorly un-researched opinion piece, and sell it as factual journalism. One day some nigger is going to rob her at gunpoint or break into her house or just rape her and she'll literally regret all the opinion bullshit she's ever written.
 
Yet another petite woke Asian woman who relentlessly simps for black men who would rape and rob her without a second thought.

What makes these people so suicidal?
Fear of rape apes, I'd say. Hoping they'd think she's one of the good ones. 🌈 Blacks remember the rooftop Koreans and are out for blood.

Does Ring connect to someone's Amazon account? Will we have another incident of some paranoid idiot thinking the doorbell called them a nigger and then the account owner gets locked out of their own home?
Wired doesn't recommend Ring home video security systems? This article was written by someone who not only is simply not qualified to write about home security but, is a genuine dumb cunt. She doesn't even have a degree in an applicable field. Journalism is dead, Buzzfeed and Gawker lowered the bar so low anyone who has an opinion and wants $100 can write a poorly un-researched opinion piece, and sell it as factual journalism. One day some nigger is going to rob her at gunpoint or break into her house or just rape her and she'll literally regret all the opinion bullshit she's ever written.
She's gonna be like Bike Cuck and make excuses for him raping her.
 
Anyone who owns one of these is a faggot globohomo cocksucker who probably has an Amazon wiretap in every room of their house. The only good thing about these video doorbell things is that they can help record niggardly behaviour. That said, a CCTV camera wired into a local recording unit with no Internet connectivity would be a far better option.
 
picture 1998, a consumer security camera that can send to the cops over the information superhighway has just been released. you're a wired writer, you're asian, you've been given the job of writing about it.

Do you write about niggers y/n?
Trick question; in the 1990's, the only people who had cameras on or around their place were rich... rich means celebrities, bankers, politicians, and good drug dealers.
 
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