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Why Trad Wives aren’t real Christians​

The Instagram algorithm wants to make me a tradwife. Between ads for fertility-testing kits and natural family-planning apps, my recommended reels are women in veils with six children, women defending the marital debt, homesteaders with tips on breastfeeding and pickling and preserving. Sometimes I go down the rabbit hole and find infographics on how to be a contemplative housewife, how to clean my kitchen prayerfully and submit to my husband (I’m single). All of this is framed as a radical challenge to secular, consumerist society, which has convinced women to seek fulfilment in wage labour rather than marriage and child-rearing. For traditionalists, the family has become a front line of the culture war, a way of witnessing to the Christian faith in the midst of an increasingly depraved, anti-natalist society. Never mind that the “return to tradition” looks suspiciously like something dreamt up by 1950s advertising executives.

It’s an image of Christian witness that would, I think, have surprised St Paul, whose First Letter to the Corinthians recommended marriage only as an alternative to uncontrollable lust – better to marry than to burn, but best to avoid burning desire altogether. “The present form of the world is passing away,” he wrote, and “the unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.” Writing to the earliest Christian communities in the first-century Roman Empire, Paul offered marriage as a concession to the weak; the ideal state was continence, the gift of one’s whole life and attention to God.

Christian theological attention to the family is surprisingly modern. In Catholicism, it’s a creation of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), where Lumen Gentium referred to the family as the “domestic church”, resurrecting a minor thread in patristic discussions of the family which had dropped out of doctrine in the intervening 16 centuries. The council’s focus on the laity drove it to bring the family into the realm of holiness previously reserved for celibate life.

The new emphasis on the sanctity of the family was cemented during the pontificate of John Paul II with his 1981 encyclical Familiaris Consortio and the publication of Catechism of the Catholic Church in 1992. Making doctrine available to lay Catholics as never before, the Catechism introduces the family as the “original cell of social life”, the “natural society” which forms the basis for all other levels of civil society. It’s perhaps unsurprising that a disproportionate number of traditionalist Catholics are converts and have studied the Catechism – as I did in the run-up to my confirmation – cover to cover.

The Roman Empire into which Christianity was born did not possess a notion of the family that we would recognise today. Familia was a legal term referring to persons under the authority of the paterfamilias, the head of the household, which included his slaves and children but not his wife, who remained under the authority (patria potestas) of her father. The mother had no legal rights to her children, who were incorporated into her husband’s familia if he chose to accept them (if not, the child would be exposed and left to die). When St Paul wrote to the community in Roman Corinth that “the wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife,” he was challenging the legal standing of the familia and the social norms that upheld the authority of the paterfamilias.

St Paul’s letters, the earliest Christian writings available to us, already indicate the revolutionary challenge that Christianity would present to ancient patterns of family life and sexuality. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples, “I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother… Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”

Christ’s challenge to the bonds of kinship is linked intimately with the apocalyptic strand that flavoured all early Christian life. He goes on, “Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it.” It’s the same sentiment in the Gospel of John, where Jesus announces, “My Kingdom is not of this world.” His followers were called to leave behind the safe, familiar trappings of their world, called literally to leave their homes and follow him across the deserts, in search of a new and unimaginable kind of life.

The lives of the saints show us what this rejection looked like in practice. When Perpetua, nursing her newborn child in third-century North Africa, refused to participate in the pagan sacrifices required of her as a Roman citizen, she was rejecting all the earthly society she knew – family, city and empire – in favour of the heavenly city promised to her by faith.

Her father, visiting her in prison, begged her, “Spare your father’s grey hairs, spare the infancy of the boy. Make sacrifice for the emperor’s prosperity.” In her own words, she records: “And I answered: I am a Christian.” At this, she was sentenced to death in the gladiatorial arena. And yet, she says, “I knew that mine was the victory.” Her obedience to her faith justified disobedience to the paterfamilias and the rejection of her maternal role – making them signs of holiness rather than rebellion.

It was the same impulse that propelled the first hermits, in the third century, into the deserts of Egypt and Syria, where they sat in makeshift cells weaving reeds, seeking silence and subduing their passions through prayer and self-mortification. Above all, they sought to discipline the lusts of the flesh. When the disciple of an elderly hermit had tried to encourage him back to town, Abba Sisoës said, “Let us go where there are no women.” When his disciple asked, “Where is there a place where there are no women, except the desert?” the abba replied, “Take me to the desert.”

This was the beginning of the monastic tradition, which, whether in isolated cells or in the communal life of the monastery, developed entirely new forms of social life – an alternative to the reproductive life of the family. Even when monasteries developed in households or were inhabited by monks and nuns with close family ties, as was common throughout the early Middle Ages, their relationships were based on bonds of voluntary obedience rather than biological or legal ties. In a monastery, a mother could enter vows of obedience to an abbess who might be her daughter, and a man of royal birth might eat and pray alongside a freed slave.

For St Augustine, the monastic life pointed towards the kind of society that would characterise the world to come. This isn’t the spiritualised “Heaven” that people mistakenly think Christians believe in, but the real flesh-and-blood Kingdom of God where we will live after we’re resurrected from the dead. There will be no sexual reproduction or death, certainly no marriage. Freed from the drive to self-preservation and the limits of scarcity, we will be able to enter into relationships based on mutual self-giving love. As RA Markus wrote, the monastery “defined the permanent challenge to all other forms of social existence”.

It’s here, in the eschatological dimension, that Christianity has its most radical potential – and why it can never be fully allied with the reproductive family. The hope and promise of the world to come calls us to imagine relationships and communities where death, sin, fear and suffering have been overcome – and to act as if this is possible, as if it’s something we can begin to build here and now.

The history of the early church is rarely discussed in conversations about alternatives to the family, which usually begin with the secular family abolitionism of 19th-century Marxists. In Abolish the Family: A Manifesto for Care and Liberation, Sophie Lewis seeks “structures of dependency, need, and provision with no kinship dimension”, where ties of love are made rather than given. Rejecting the language of family and kinship as a model, she suggests words such as “comradeliness” and “accomplice”.

By replacing bonds based on the inherent value of the person with bonds based on shared political goals and values, secular proponents of family abolition end up dreaming of communities that are little more than interest groups. When ties are entirely voluntary, they risk becoming subject to the same capitalist logics of choice, consumption and disposability which they claim to reject. Without belief in anything transcendent, there’s no way to ground human value – to make people worth sticking with even when they fail and hurt each other, as people are wont to do. Lewis doesn’t discuss reconciliation or what to do when communities break down, nor does she suggest how we might build communities across difference. I’m increasingly sceptical of attempts to imagine a common good without theology.

The tension that exists in Christianity between the natural and the supernatural, between this world and the next, allows us to imagine radical possibilities without denying the difficulties of real, human relationships. Even in this world, we catch glimpses of the Kingdom of God, signs of its breaking through into history. But St Augustine is careful to counsel against expecting any perfect human society here on earth. Any perfection will be only in part, through a glass darkly. People cannot abandon their fear, self-protectiveness, selfishness: all the defences that stem from the reality of death. If all our relationships are to be characterised by failure, harm and imperfection, the family is the first arena where we do the messy work of learning to love people who we don’t agree with or always like. However flawed they may be, family members remain linked to us in a way that makes it hard just to write them off. There’s certainly a social pressure to reconcile, but I’m not sure if it’s straightforwardly oppressive.

Sometimes I wonder if the tradwives have a point. I prefer to work for myself rather than an employer; I’d like a family and I worry that sky-high rents and low-paid work will mean I won’t be able to have children as soon as I’d like. As my friends start to hit their thirties, still living in crowded house-shares with no savings and unreliable income streams, many are looking for more sustainable ways of living.

The tradwife homestead dream is the right-wing alternative to the queer commune – both idealised in ways that obscure the everyday trudge and drama of living with other people. But the Christian tradition is richer than the 1950s imagination of conservatives. It contains within it the seeds of a radical promise – a community built neither on biology nor on choice, but on bonds of love which knit individuals into a mystical body, a real communion. Against the collapse of the late Roman Empire, early Christians went into the desert to find other ways of living together. A turn to the premodern might help us imagine alternatives to our own crisis.
 
Is this retard trying to excuse whores or just get white guys to stop making families, it's real schizo hours.
 
TL;DR: Thot writes page of slag cope.
 
Journoscum proving they're devil's creation by creating shitty ragebait articles on Good Friday.


But anyways this leftie latching onto Christianity is really pathetic.
 
Is this retard trying to excuse whores or just get white guys to stop making families, it's real schizo hours.
I agree. The article sounds like someone who doesn't understand Christianity and just sees it as sexism. If she thinks Christianity is bad wait till see how Muslim men treat women.
 
It’s an image of Christian witness that would, I think, have surprised St Paul, whose First Letter to the Corinthians recommended marriage only as an alternative to uncontrollable lust – better to marry than to burn, but best to avoid burning desire altogether. “The present form of the world is passing away,” he wrote, and “the unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.” Writing to the earliest Christian communities in the first-century Roman Empire, Paul offered marriage as a concession to the weak; the ideal state was continence, the gift of one’s whole life and attention to God.
Paul was speaking in that moment from the position of someone that was an ardent celibate. Elsewhere, he speaks straightforwardly about marriage and all related topics, without ever downplaying the institution.

Christian theological attention to the family is surprisingly modern.
Generation Z hands wrote this article.

Christ’s challenge to the bonds of kinship--
The challenge is as old as the First Commandment and its implications.

Is this retard trying to excuse whores or just get white guys to stop making families, it's real schizo hours.
I don't think she has a point, to begin with.
 
Bitch sounds mad she can't get laid and is angry at other women for choosing to not only marry and have children but also with them[mothers] putting them[husband and children] first.

She also seems very, very angry that her parents made her go to church as a child.
 
homesteaders with tips on breastfeeding and pickling and preserving.
This isn’t in any way radical. I breastfed my kids. I preserve stuff from the garden. I work, I’m shitposting on KF. I’m hardly an ascetic. Breastfeeding is the natural norm and canning is widespread.
All of this is framed as a radical challenge to secular, consumerist society,
It IS. And if you can’t see that then you’re stupid. All your girlfriends living in houseshares in their thirties? They’re serving the machine. Realistically most won’t start families. They will be good little consumers.
If a critical mass of people start having one parent at home, consuming less and going back to the basics of family, that alone would have massive impacts on society. You wouldn’t have to be religious, or ‘extreme.’ Just that action would be immense. Someone on a thread in deep thoughts said this week that women are such herd animals that of trad wifing becomes trendy enough it’d be a genuine threat. I kind of agree.
This article reads like someone was given a prompt : it’s coming up to easter, and Christian women / conservative women need to be dissuaded from giving up outside work. Give me two thousand words by Monday
 
I thought this was going to be a well-deserved beatdown of larping Instagram whores, but it actually ended up being an attack on women who ACTUALLY want to live a traditional homemaker/mother role.

Because fuckin' of course.
 
This isn’t in any way radical. I breastfed my kids. I preserve stuff from the garden. I work, I’m shitposting on KF. I’m hardly an ascetic. Breastfeeding is the natural norm and canning is widespread.
Self-sufficiency and anything less than blind faith in tech is radical to the modern proggie.


Its all an attempt to tie into the bugpod narrative that cities are the future, along with radical leftist IDPOL and if you aren't going to be a liberated childless progressive urban woman, you'll not only be killing trans people and POCs, but even worse, you'll end up living in a real-life game of The Oregon Trail, where you'll die of typhus if you don't starve first.... anything that has even the slightest whiff of "traditional" around it (or even just hesitates to embrace every new consoooom product) must be treated as if it is right out of the 19th Century and will be setting humanity back to hunter-gatherer days.

After all, even considering there's "natural" norms means there's an absolute truism to life OUTSIDE of leftist political dogma, and that just can't be allowed.

They really DO think you're mentally ill if you want to know some useful housekeeping skills on the side, even wanting to know how to do something as simple as put a button back on a coat or season a baked potato so it's a bit more enticing that just a baked potato makes you a regressive gender/race/class traitor.
 
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i am what you would consider a traditional wife..ive been married for decades, large number of kids, catholic, etc. i sew my own clothing, can food, etc...im not sure what this article is bitching about, but it seems to be a current theme. my thoughts are that if i have to share a public bathroom with some retarded man in a bodycon dress, they can deal with whatever it is about myself that is offensive...i was at the store last week, and some dumbass with a hog ring made a very cliche reference to the handmaids tale show/movie/whatever it is, ive heard it a thousand times. i think a lot of this is because most traditional women are everything trannys/liberals secretly want to be, and a constant reminder that no matter what nonsense pronouns they come up with, they will never be anything but lonely men/women with no family or any real support system other than reddit, at best :story:
 
Fuck off with the Paul misappropriation. Paul thought the end was coming very soon and taught if you weren’t married already, it’s better to just be a monk/nun equivalent. But it’s always fine and well to get married. You’ll have to be celibate, if you can’t be sure you are gonna be completely celibate, you’ll have to get married. He acknowledged not everyone is a saint like him, or like Jesus, so it’s by no means discouraging people from getting married. Does she think every Christian before were monastic ascetics?Also what else does this person think is our equivalent of devoting our lives to Christ like the early hermits and desert fathers? If she’s saying we gotta work to make the whole world completely Christian, I guess that’s logical? But obviously that’s not what she’s saying.


Christian theological attention to the family is surprisingly modern.

The new emphasis on the sanctity of the family was cemented during the pontificate of John Paul II with his 1981 encyclical Familiaris Consortio and the publication of Catechism of the Catholic Church in 1992.


You have gotta be kidding me… Paul was writing to the Corinthians because they were Greek Romans who had a weak sanctity of marriage. The same passage this person is quoting is also the one saying marriage is serious as fuck, don’t divorce (except if the other one commits adultery). Don’t even divorce your spouse if they are not Christians. He didn’t have to mention kids in the epistle because no shit, it was just a given married couples will have kids. It’s written in response to the Corinthians not giving that much of a fuck about marriage. They had something more like what we have now, where you just get married and divorced like it’s just different seriousness of dating. Marriage is a sacrament since very early church history and remains an extremely serious sacrament for Catholics and Orthodoxs. I wonder how much the demoralization of society is the consequence of the Anglican Church lol, when they left the Church just because Henry VIII wanted different wives and the Pope won’t let him.
 
People don't pay whores for their opinions, they pay them to leave. Tell the bitch who wrote this to get back on her street corner.
 
The Instagram algorithm wants to make me a tradwife. Between ads for fertility-testing kits and natural family-planning apps, my recommended reels are women in veils with six children, women defending the marital debt, homesteaders with tips on breastfeeding and pickling and preserving.
The algos only recommend that shit when you spend a long fucking time looking at it.

The author is literally sheeting and shlicking to trad life bullshit much like racists secretly fap to blacked.
 
John 2:1-12
On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him.

What we learn: Marriage is good, weddings are a joyous occasion, and listen to your mother, even if she doesn't listen to you.
 
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Probably the same chick as the author since she studies medieval history at Oxford.

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A servant of the Antichrist takes the name of the Lord in vain and pretends to educate others on morality.
 
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