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Why the COVID Deniers Won
The Atlantic (archive.ph)
By David Frum
2025-02-12 12:30:56GMT

Five years ago, the coronavirus pandemic struck a bitterly divided society.

Americans first diverged over how dangerous the disease was: just a flu (as President Donald Trump repeatedly insisted) or something much deadlier.

Then they disputed public-health measures such as lockdowns and masking; a majority complied while a passionate minority fiercely resisted.

Finally, they split—and have remained split—over the value and safety of COVID‑19 vaccines. Anti-vaccine beliefs started on the fringe, but they spread to the point where Ron DeSantis, the governor of the country’s third-most-populous state, launched a campaign for president on an appeal to anti-vaccine ideology.

Five years later, one side has seemingly triumphed. The winner is not the side that initially prevailed, the side of public safety. The winner is the side that minimized the disease, then rejected public-health measures to prevent its spread, and finally refused the vaccines designed to protect against its worst effects.

Ahead of COVID’s fifth anniversary, Trump, as president-elect, nominated the country’s most outspoken vaccination opponent to head the Department of Health and Human Services. He chose a proponent of the debunked and discredited vaccines-cause-autism claim to lead the CDC. He named a strident critic of COVID‑vaccine mandates to lead the FDA. For surgeon general, he picked a believer in hydroxychloroquine, the disproven COVID‑19 remedy. His pick for director of the National Institutes of Health had advocated for letting COVID spread unchecked to encourage herd immunity. Despite having fast-tracked the development of the vaccines as president, Trump has himself trafficked in many forms of COVID‑19 denial, and has expressed his own suspicions that childhood vaccination against measles and mumps is a cause of autism.

The ascendancy of the anti-vaxxers may ultimately prove fleeting. But if the forces of science and health are to stage a comeback, it’s important to understand why those forces have gone into eclipse.

From March 2020 to February 2022, about 1 million Americans died of COVID-19. Many of those deaths occurred after vaccines became available. If every adult in the United States had received two doses of a COVID vaccine by early 2022, rather than just the 64 percent of adults who had, nearly 320,000 lives would have been saved.

Why did so many Americans resist vaccines? Perhaps the biggest reason was that the pandemic coincided with a presidential-election year, and Trump instantly recognized the crisis as a threat to his chances for reelection. He responded by denying the seriousness of the pandemic, promising that the disease would rapidly disappear on its own, and promoting quack cures.

The COVID‑19 vaccines were developed while Trump was president. They could have been advertised as a Trump achievement. But by the time they became widely available, Trump was out of office. His supporters had already made up their minds to distrust the public-health authorities that promoted the vaccines. Now they had an additional incentive: Any benefit from vaccination would redound to Trump’s successor, Joe Biden. Vaccine rejection became a badge of group loyalty, one that ultimately cost many lives.

A summer 2023 study by Yale researchers of voters in Florida and Ohio found that during the early phase of the pandemic, self-identified Republicans died at only a slightly higher rate than self-identified Democrats in the same age range. But once vaccines were introduced, Republicans became much more likely to die than Democrats. In the spring of 2021, the excess-death rate among Florida and Ohio Republicans was 43 percent higher than among Florida and Ohio Democrats in the same age range. By the late winter of 2023, the 300-odd most pro-Trump counties in the country had a COVID‑19 death rate more than two and a half times higher than the 300 or so most anti-Trump counties.

In 2016, Trump had boasted that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and not lose any votes. In 2021 and 2022, his most fervent supporters risked death to prove their loyalty to Trump and his cause.

Why did political fidelity express itself in such self-harming ways?

The onset of the pandemic was an unusually confusing and disorienting event. Some people who got COVID died. Others lived. Some suffered only mild symptoms. Others spent weeks on ventilators, or emerged with long COVID and never fully recovered. Some lost businesses built over a lifetime. Others refinanced their homes with 2 percent interest rates and banked the savings.

We live in an impersonal universe, indifferent to our hopes and wishes, subject to extreme randomness. We don’t like this at all. We crave satisfying explanations. We want to believe that somebody is in control, even if it’s somebody we don’t like. At least that way, we can blame bad events on bad people. This is the eternal appeal of conspiracy theories. How did this happen? Somebody must have done it—but who? And why?

Compounding the disorientation, the coronavirus outbreak was a rapidly changing story. The scientists who researched COVID‑19 knew more in April 2020 than they did in February; more in August than in April; more in 2021 than in 2020; more in 2022 than in 2021. The official advice kept changing: Stay inside—no, go outside. Wash your hands—no, mask your face. Some Americans appreciated and accepted that knowledge improves over time, that more will be known about a new disease in month two than in month one. But not all Americans saw the world that way. They mistrusted the idea of knowledge as a developing process. Such Americans wondered: Were they lying before? Or are they lying now?

In a different era, Americans might have deferred more to medical authority. The internet has upended old ideas of what should count as authority and who possesses it.

The pandemic reduced normal human interactions. Severed from one another, Americans deepened their parasocial attachment to social-media platforms, which foment alienation and rage. Hundreds of thousands of people plunged into an alternate mental universe during COVID‑19 lockdowns. When their doors reopened, the mania did not recede. Conspiracies and mistrust of the establishment—never strangers to the American mind—had been nourished, and they grew.

The experts themselves contributed to this loss of trust.

It’s now agreed that we had little to fear from going outside in dispersed groups. But that was not the state of knowledge in the spring of 2020. At the time, medical experts insisted that any kind of mass outdoor event must be sacrificed to the imperatives of the emergency. In mid-March 2020, federal public-health authorities shut down some of Florida’s beaches. In California, surfers faced heavy fines for venturing into the ocean. Even the COVID‑skeptical Trump White House reluctantly canceled the April 2020 Easter-egg roll.

And then the experts abruptly reversed themselves. When George Floyd was choked to death by a Minneapolis police officer on May 25, 2020, hundreds of thousands of Americans left their homes to protest, defying three months of urgings to avoid large gatherings of all kinds, outdoor as well as indoor.

On May 29, the American Public Health Association issued a statement that proclaimed racism a public-health crisis while conspicuously refusing to condemn the sudden defiance of public-safety rules.

The next few weeks saw the largest mass protests in recent U.S. history. Approximately 15 million to 26 million people attended outdoor Black Lives Matter events in June 2020, according to a series of reputable polls. Few, if any, scientists or doctors scolded the attendees—and many politicians joined the protests, including future Vice President Kamala Harris. It all raised a suspicion: Maybe the authorities were making the rules based on politics, not science.

The politicization of health advice became even more consequential as the summer of 2020 ended. Most American public schools had closed in March. “At their peak,” Education Week reported, “the closures affected at least 55.1 million students in 124,000 U.S. public and private schools.” By September, it was already apparent that COVID‑19 posed relatively little risk to children and teenagers, and that remote learning did not work. At the same time, returning to the classroom before vaccines were available could pose some risk to teachers’ health—and possibly also to the health of the adults to whom the children returned after school.

How to balance these concerns given the imperfect information? Liberal states decided in favor of the teachers. In California, the majority of students did not return to in-person learning until the fall of 2021. New Jersey kept many of its public schools closed until then as well. Similar things happened in many other states: Illinois, Maryland, New York, and so on, through the states that voted Democratic in November 2020.

Florida, by contrast, reopened most schools in the fall of 2020. Texas soon followed, as did most other Republican-governed states. The COVID risk for students, it turned out, was minimal: According to a 2021 CDC study, less than 1 percent of Florida students contracted COVID-19 in school settings from August to December 2020 after their state restarted in-person learning. Over the 2020–21 school year, students in states that voted for Trump in the 2020 election got an average of almost twice as much in-person instruction as students in states that voted for Biden.

Any risks to teachers and school staff could have been mitigated by the universal vaccination of those groups. But deep into the fall of 2021, thousands of blue-state teachers and staff resisted vaccine mandates—including more than 5,000 in Chicago alone. By then, another school year had been interrupted by closures.

By disparaging public-health methods and discrediting vaccines, the COVID‑19 minimizers cost hundreds of thousands of people their lives. By keeping schools closed longer than absolutely necessary, the COVID maximizers hazarded the futures of young Americans.

Students from poor and troubled families, in particular, will continue to pay the cost of these learning losses for years to come. Even in liberal states, many private schools reopened for in-person instruction in the fall of 2020. The affluent and the connected could buy their children a continuing education unavailable to those who depended on public schools. Many lower-income students did not return to the classroom: Throughout the 2022–23 school year, poorer school districts reported much higher absenteeism rates than were seen before the pandemic.

Teens absent from school typically get into trouble in ways that are even more damaging than the loss of math or reading skills. New York City arrested 25 percent more minors for serious crimes in 2024 than in 2018. The national trend was similar, if less stark. The FBI reports that although crime in general declined in 2023 compared with 2022, crimes by minors rose by nearly 10 percent.

People who finish schooling during a recession tend to do worse even into middle age than those who finish in times of prosperity. They are less likely to marry, less likely to have children, and more likely to die early. The disparity between those who finish in lucky years and those who finish in unlucky years is greatest for people with the least formal education.

Will the harms of COVID prove equally enduring? We won’t know for some time. But if past experience holds, the COVID‑19 years will mark their most vulnerable victims for decades.

The story of COVID can be told as one of shocks and disturbances that wrecked two presidencies. In 2020 and 2024, incumbent administrations lost elections back-to-back, something that hadn’t happened since the deep economic depression of the late 1880s and early 1890s. The pandemic caused a recession as steep as any in U.S. history. The aftermath saw the worst inflation in half a century.

In the three years from January 2020 through December 2022, Trump and Biden both signed a series of major bills to revive and rebuild the U.S. economy. Altogether, they swelled the gross public debt from about $20 billion in January 2017 to nearly $36 billion today. The weight of that debt helped drive interest rates and mortgage rates higher. The burden of the pandemic debt, like learning losses, is likely to be with us for quite a long time.

Yet even while acknowledging all that went wrong, respecting all the lives lost or ruined, reckoning with all the lasting harms of the crisis, we do a dangerous injustice if we remember the story of COVID solely as a story of American failure. In truth, the story is one of strength and resilience.

Scientists did deliver vaccines to prevent the disease and treatments to recover from it. Economic policy did avert a global depression and did rapidly restore economic growth. Government assistance kept households afloat when the world shut down—and new remote-work practices enabled new patterns of freedom and happiness after the pandemic ended.

The virus was first detected in December 2019. Its genome was sequenced within days by scientists collaborating across international borders. Clinical trials for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine began in April 2020, and the vaccine was authorized for emergency use by the FDA in December. Additional vaccines rapidly followed, and were universally available by the spring of 2021. The weekly death toll fell by more than 90 percent from January 2021 to midsummer of that year.

The U.S. economy roared back with a strength and power that stunned the world. The initial spike of inflation has subsided. Wages are again rising faster than prices. Growth in the United States in 2023 and 2024 was faster and broader than in any peer economy.

Even more startling, the U.S. recovery outpaced China’s. That nation’s bounceback from COVID‑19 has been slow and faltering. America’s economic lead over China, once thought to be narrowing, has suddenly widened; the gap between the two countries’ GDPs grew from $5 trillion in 2021 to nearly $10 trillion in 2023. The U.S. share of world economic output is now slightly higher than it was in 1980, before China began any of its economic reforms. As he did in 2016, Trump inherits a strong and healthy economy, to which his own reckless policies—notably, his trade protectionism—are the only visible threat.

In public affairs, our bias is usually to pay most attention to disappointments and mistakes. In the pandemic, there were many errors: the partisan dogma of the COVID minimizers; the capitulation of states and municipalities to favored interest groups; the hypochondria and neuroticism of some COVID maximizers. Errors need to be studied and the lessons heeded if we are to do better next time. But if we fail to acknowledge America’s successes—even partial and imperfect successes—we not only do an injustice to the American people. We also defeat in advance their confidence to collectively meet the crises of tomorrow.

Perhaps it’s time for some national self-forgiveness here. Perhaps it’s time to accept that despite all that went wrong, despite how much there was to learn about the disease and how little time there was to learn it, and despite polarized politics and an unruly national character—despite all of that—Americans collectively met the COVID‑19 emergency about as well as could reasonably have been hoped.

The wrong people have profited from the immediate aftermath. But if we remember the pandemic accurately, the future will belong to those who rose to the crisis when their country needed them.
 
From March 2020 to February 2022, about 1 million Americans died of COVID-19.
With. With Covid. Because the parameters for data collection were set up to make it look like more were dying by listing any positive test as a Covid death, even if it was a traffic accident.
If every adult in the United States had received two doses of a COVID vaccine by early 2022, rather than just the 64 percent of adults who had, nearly 320,000 lives would have been saved.
You can’t prove that. And again the parameters for data collection were set up to force the outcome. How? They were not even testing people who were vaccinated when they went into hospital at one point.
A summer 2023 study by Yale researchers of voters in Florida and Ohio found that during the early phase of the pandemic, self-identified Republicans died at only a slightly higher rate than self-identified Democrats in the same age range. But once vaccines were introduced, Republicans became much more likely to die than Democrats.
Again, you fiddled the parameters for data collection.
-go into hospital and say you’re vaccinated, no test for Covid was done, you were Covid negative even if you died of a respiratory illness.
-go into hospital and say you were not vaccinated, you got tested. And that data collection was also skewed by ramping the reps of the test do high you’d get a positive off a block of concrete. So huge numbers tested positive falsely, or tested positive and yet weren’t sick with it.
Do there was a time when you could honknto hospital having been vaccinated, and actually due if Covid and not be counted as a Covid death, and the guy next to you in the morgue who felt find before he wrapped his motorbike round a tree had his corpse swabbed before they unplugged him and came up positive and he’d be counted as a Covid death
The data collection was skewed at every point. And that’s all it takes, e regime collecting it can do so diligently and honestly and it’s still a lie
 
No mention of the origins of the outbreak nor Fauci’s role in it, or the fact that masks were proven ineffective years before the pandemic.

Edit: another missing point is the retarded rules that anyone with a functioning hindbrain can see is bullshit, but progressives defended as gospel. You were “anti-science” for distrusting the judgement of Wendy’s for allowing you to take your mask off to eat indoors.
 
So I remembered the claims dropping from 95% or whatever, to 80% "still bretty good!" coping (and definitely the Rachael Madcow "the virus totally stops!" bs). But I didn't remember the degree to which they moved the goalposts until I saw a video compilation of all the headlines which were a literal countdown
Or when it was pre election and ALL the Democrats were lock-step in calling it the Trump vaccine and they'll never take it, to a few months later when they're in power illegally forcing it on everyone.
 
And then the experts abruptly reversed themselves. When George Floyd was choked to death by a Minneapolis police officer on May 25, 2020, hundreds of thousands of Americans left their homes to protest, defying three months of urgings to avoid large gatherings of all kinds, outdoor as well as indoor.

On May 29, the American Public Health Association issued a statement that proclaimed racism a public-health crisis while conspicuously refusing to condemn the sudden defiance of public-safety rules.

The next few weeks saw the largest mass protests in recent U.S. history. Approximately 15 million to 26 million people attended outdoor Black Lives Matter events in June 2020
This is the first time I can remember where establishment media heads admitted this sequence of events even happened, much less were at all suspicious.

They still haven't addressed how every single Democrat went from "Hug a Chinese" to "LOCK IT ALL DOWN" overnight prior to the Floyd shit but baby steps I guess.

Also very impressive going 15000 words about the pandemic in the USA without so much as spelling Fauci's name.
 
Frum is missing one of the most important factors: the arbitrary and capricious public safety measures, and the hypocrisy of political and public health leaders who ignored them when convenient (Newsome, Whitmer, Fauci, Chicago's mayor-creature). Paddle-boarders were arrested while governors threw themselves birthday parties. Common barbers were run out of business while mayors made private appointments with their hairdressers.

People in office think the public trusts them because of that office, and they can never lose that trust while in office. But they can, and when they do, it discredits the office itself and everything they have said or done. I don't expect liberal voters to remove their elected officials, but Fauci should have been fired immediately when he was caught violating his mask rules at a baseball game and lying about it to the media (who had pictures).

Frum also repeats the myth that George Floyd was choked to death. Not even the prosecutor at the trial alleged he was choked to death, they said it was positional asphyxiation.
 
Saying the Trump administration was COVID denying from the outset is a crock of shit, I remember when the script was flipped. Back in 2021 the adminsitration was urging caution around the "China Virus" and it was the regressive left denying it was dangerous with shit like "Hug an Asian Day". The rewriting and memoryholing truly is real.
 
FUCK THE ALANTIC.
FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST MACHINE.
FUCK ALL THOSE WHO TRIED TO TAKE OUR FREEDOMS AWAY FROM US.
WE GOT EVERYTHING ARCHIVED.
FEAR.... US.... WE.... ARE.... THE MEDIA....
SO FUUUUUCK YOU.
 
I don't think people realize just how close we got to things falling apart.

We literally had groups fucking gleeful they could strip fundamental civil rights from people if they didn't agree with them. Local, State, and the Feds openly saying: You bend the knee or we will destroy you, locking you out of the courts/banks/voting systems to prevent you, or others like you, from saying no to it. All in the name of "THE SCIENCE" and "THE MESSAGE".

I remember my local city council actively debating forcing people to wear vax cards around their necks like fucking Stars of David. Vaccine passports were 100% a thing despite so many people denying it. Jobs mandated the jab or you risked your employment. More than a few fine military personnel were jettisoned for no good reason, just to send a message of: Comply or Die. God damn it, we literally had places like NYC debating using "enforcement squads" to go into peoples homes and make sure they were complying with "THE REGULATIONS".

It was a fucking scary time. We are still seeing needed claw back of powers these groups assumed for themselves. The only reason why it wasn't worse and why things didn't completely fall apart is that Covid wasn't nearly as lethal as initially reported. (Yes, it still killed massive amounts of people, but it wasn't fucking Ebola or some other hemorrhagic fever with a high kill rate to infection.)
 
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Verbal masturbation to the max.

Three times as many people died of heart disease and cancer than from the coof, per the CDC. Many who died of the coof had contributing conditions, and many who it was said died of the coof didn't have it.

We got to see elected officials turn into despots in way too many cases. Suggest the only thing that stopped the budding widespread civil disobedience was some courts overturning the most oppressive measures.

For the sake of a taste of despotic power, government, law enforcement, the judiciary, 'science', and the mainstream media at ANY level have, likely permanently, forfeited most people's faith and trust. Have never voted for any politician where I live who acted like a despot. This doesn't augur well for the next time something like this happens. Once burned, twice shy, When faith and trust are gone, everything else is gone. 'They' fucked themselves, and deserve what they get.
 
This nigger should know that we all knew COVID existed, the thing was that the entire Western world was brought to a screeching halt because Xinnie the Pooh overreacted so severely and walled people into apartment blocks. I got wuflu and was out for some of the worst 2 weeks of my life after the age of 18.
 
It's been 3 years since they've cut the crap with restrictions, masking, etc., and I'm still pissed, and I won't forgive those who pushed for these lockdowns, nor will I forgive people who were complacent. When Fauci dies, I'm going to piss on his grave.
 
It's been 3 years since they've cut the crap with restrictions, masking, etc., and I'm still pissed, and I won't forgive those who pushed for these lockdowns, nor will I forgive people who were complacent. When Fauci dies, I'm going to piss on his grave.
You'll need to get in line.

I'd like to heave some Havanas on the grave.
 
Nobody won. That's what they fail to realize. I will never forgive what they did to humanity. Read this and try not to fedpost.

How to cautiously hug in the pandemic, now that it’s allowed in the UK
CNN (archive.ph)
By Scottie Andrew
2021-05-12 01:06:07GMT
Human contact is back – modified for the pandemic, of course. And while you may not be rushing back into shaking hands or doling out high fives, there’s likely one show of affection you’ve been craving: hugs!

Yep, we can hug each other again. Next week, UK officials will give residents the green light to resume “cautious hugging.” It’s curious guidance for Brits, who are famously reserved, but it’s a milestone that benefits both fully vaccinated and unvaccinated people who’ve missed physical touch during the Covid-19 pandemic.

What exactly constitutes “cautious hugging,” and who needs to exercise caution, is less clear. While the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not released guidance on hugging yet, we asked two physicians in the US who’ve followed Covid-19 since the beginning – CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen and Vanderbilt University infectious diseases professor Dr. William Schaffner – about what a safe snuggle looks like.

“If an unvaccinated person wants to hug someone else, I think they should wear a mask,” Schaffner said. “And make it brief.”

If you’re fully vaccinated, though, you have even fewer guidelines when it comes to contact. Here’s how the experts say you can keep yourself safe while embracing.

What a ‘cautious hug’ looks like​

A cautious hug is one that’s outdoors, without face-to-face contact, that doesn’t last very long, the physicians said. Anyone who’s unvaccinated should use caution when hugging someone else, and they should wear a mask while doing it.

Kids who aren’t eligible for the vaccine yet (and are short enough) can hug their vaccinated loved ones around the waist, though they should skip the slobbery kisses. Keeping their face away from the face of the person they’re hugging is key here, Schaffner said.

Unvaccinated teens probably won’t want to crouch down to hug anyone, so they should keep a mask on while they hug and tilt their face away from the person they’re hugging, he added.

Vaccinated people can hug with less caution, the doctors say​

Vaccinated people who’ve missed physical touch are in luck: They can hug each other with abandon, both experts said.

“Fully vaccinated people can hug one another without restriction, including indoors, without masks,” said Wen, who’s also a visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health.

That goes for all vaccinated people, too. You can hug your vaccinated parents and grandparents for as long as you’d like, but you can also hug an acquaintance or a new romantic partner, as long as you know they’re fully vaccinated – which means it’s been two weeks since their second shot (or only shot, if they got the Johnson & Johnson) – she said.

Fully vaccinated people can also enjoy extended periods of physical contact, Schaffner said: “I think two vaccinated people can sit on a couch together, shoulder to shoulder, enjoying a bowl of popcorn and being fond and affectionate together.”

Whoa.

That was unthinkable even a few months ago.

And that’s just one perk of vaccination, Wen said.

You’ve followed social distancing guidelines for the last year, you’ve worn your mask and stayed away from loved ones outside of your household. Now that you’re fully vaccinated, you can resume hugging and sharing snacks with the people you care about.

The exception here is if you want to hug an immunocompromised person or someone who may not receive the full immunization benefits of the Covid-19 vaccine. You should follow the cautious hugging guidelines when giving them a squeeze, Wen and Schaffner said.

And if you’re not ready to hug anyone yet, that’s OK, too. Cuddling up to someone you love was unthinkable even a few months ago, and it’s a dramatic change from the way we’ve been living since March 2020. Take post-vaccine life at your own speed, Wen said.

So, if you’re comfortable, bring on the bear hugs, the awkward don’t-know-if-we-should-hug hugs, the hugs that start with a sprint into each other’s arms, as long as you do so with care and safety in mind. If you’ve done your part to stay safe, you’ve earned it.
 
It was a fucking scary time. We are still seeing needed claw back of powers these groups assumed for themselves. The only reason why it wasn't worse and why things didn't completely fall apart is that Covid wasn't nearly as lethal as initially reported. (Yes, it still killed massive amounts of people, but it wasn't fucking Ebola or some other hemorrhagic fever with a high kill rate to infection.)
Also, people had guns.

At least in the red areas.

The reason door-to-door checks and COVID checkpoints at state borders never got the desired traction was they knew if they tried that outside the bug hives? The bodes WOULD start to stack up.
 
I believe in vaccines and still take them. All I wanted to do was wait and see for a few years before taking a shot that would permanently alter my DNA. I wonder what David McJewgolds has to say about the increasing rate of deaths among the young in recent years?


 
TL;DR meme version of this article:

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RFK Jr is now Head of health let's see if he gets rid of the mnra jabs and their makers immunity to prosecution. Considering how hard the establishment fought against him I am cautious optimistic. Who knows maybe now that Fauci had his security details removed he might be charged via State governments or the military for committing mass poisoning of the world!
 
The winner is not the side that initially prevailed, the side of public safety
This kike needs to be violently and sexually gassed to death, and then have the remains shot into space.
Kyle Rittenhouse was on the side of public safety. The sub-humans who wanted him to spend life in prison for defending himself are enemies of humanity. I really hope Trump takes the gloves off and starts a Soviet-style purge against these niggers.
 
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